Nancy Grace: I don't have to agree with Casey Anthony jury
HLN host and former prosecutor Nancy Grace broadcasts live during verdict watch in the Casey Anthony trial this week.
July 6th, 2011
08:56 PM ET

Nancy Grace: I don't have to agree with Casey Anthony jury

HLN host Nancy Grace has been credited with making the Casey Anthony case a national story. She has been outspoken in her belief that Anthony is guilty of murdering her daughter, despite a jury's verdict. She's also a former prosecutor with strong opinions about what went on in the Florida courtroom in the past few weeks. She spoke with CNN.com about how she would have tried the case, the "CSI effect" on juries and why she doesn't "give a fig" about what Anthony's defense team thinks about her.

Grace: As I’ve always said since 1984, when I started trying cases, you win or lose your case - it’s all over at the end of voir dire (jury selection). I’ve always believed that. It’s true. I think this jury hamstrung the state. The state absolutely put up a good case and I get real fed up when I hear this is a circumstantial case. Most cases are circumstantial because rarely do people commit felony crimes in the open. Murder, armed robbery, you do it in private, in secret, so very rarely is there an eyewitness or direct evidence to a crime.

CNN: Watching a case like this, do you miss the courtroom and prosecuting cases?

Grace: I always miss the courtroom. I miss the courtroom all the time because the courtroom gave me immediate gratification. I knew I’d done something worthwhile when I put someone behind bars or represented crime victims, I knew I had a done a good thing by speaking for people who couldn’t speak for themselves. I don’t get that immediate gratification from being on TV.

CNN: As a former prosecutor, if you could retry this case, how would you do it differently?

Grace: I think they did such a very good job it’s hard to attack anything they did. I think maybe I would’ve taken a different tack in jury selection but that’s really it. There were some obvious problem jurors: You had one on there with an arrest for DUI; another with an arrest for drug paraphernalia; one whose sister and her boyfriend beat up their father; one juror who said she could not judge. Why the heck would you not want someone off the jury who cannot judge? The jury is the sole judge of facts, evidence and the law. Who the heck wants someone who can’t judge? They tried to get rid of them but were not successful. I think the jury was snakebitten from the get-go.

CNN: What do you think is the most important piece of evidence that the jury never saw or heard?

Grace: I don’t believe they saw all of the audiotapes or heard all the videotapes (of Casey Anthony’s jailhouse phone calls). I think the so-called bodyguard or bail bondsman had a lot to offer, his discussions with tot mom when she was referring to Caylee in the past tense before her body had been found, her being very flip about Caylee, being more concerned about a hot guy flirting with her on Facebook. Evidence of that nature.

There was another inmate that she allegedly discussed chloroform with, the fact there was absolutely an inmate who talked about a child floating in a pool in the backyard while the family was in the house … she lifted that story and transposed it onto Caylee. The fact that that inmate may not have had direct discussions with tot mom does not matter. … She did discuss it behind bars and within earshot of tot mom when they were in jail, on the cellblock at same time. I understand why the state didn’t do it, because when you start dealing with snitches and inmates it can blow up in your face.

CNN: What was the biggest weakness in the state’s forensic evidence, if any?

Grace: The single biggest weakness was the state didn’t have a cause of death. That is not required - there have been many, many cases with murder 1 convictions without any body. But the fact that the defendant can get rid of a body or let a body (be) hidden for so long that you cannot determine a cause of death is not a reason a defendant should get a benefit or a gold star or A-plus. I think the fact they didn’t have a cause of death hurt them because the jury could not understand the case or take it in. Juries have been watching too much "CSI" - they want murder weapon, DNA, fingerprints. In this case, there was no blood, no murder weapon. They wanted things that didn’t exist. They wanted a murder weapon – the murder weapon was tot mom’s hands. I also think the jury didn’t understand the law or felony murder. All said, it was a bad jury and I do not think it reflects on the case the state put up.

CNN: What did you think of the defense case? Did their experts neutralize the state’s experts?

Grace: I don’t think much of the defense case. However, when it gets so complex for jurors, the experts cancel themselves out.

CNN: How would you have handled Cindy Anthony? Should the state consider charging her with perjury?

Grace: I know she committed perjury but I don’t think a jury would convict her. I think that’s a very tough decision for authorities to make ... but no doubt what she said on the stand was not true.

CNN: People credit your involvement in highlighting the case early on. Looking back, is there anything you would have done differently?

Grace: The only thing I would’ve done differently is put on my hip boots and gone down to Florida and looked for Caylee myself.

CNN: What did you think of Cheney Mason’s statements that lawyers like yourself engaged in media assassination for the past three years?

Grace: I don’t recall him mentioning me by name but I think he’s more likely targeting local lawyers and members of the Florida bar who were discussing the case in the community. However, on the off chance he is, I really don’t give a fig. I mean, every time you take a stand on anything or stand up for anything, somebody’s going to dislike you and the fact that one of tot mom’s defense lawyers doesn’t like me doesn’t concern me in the least. I don’t like them much either.

CNN: Do you think it’s unethical for lawyers like yourself to make such pointed statements about a defendant’s guilt or innocence on national television?

Grace: Let me see, if I’m correct, the Constitution has a little thing called the First Amendment which allows for freedom of speech and under freedom of speech, unless it is defamatory, I’m pretty much allowed to speak my mind, and the fact I’m an upstanding member of the Georgia and D.C. bars does not cause me to lose my freedom of speech. As a matter of fact, if you were to read the minutes that were taken down as the Constitution was being written and passed, our fathers wanted courtrooms large enough for the whole community to sit in and see. No closed-door justice, no secret justice, and to me, that ensures a lively discourse about our justice system and what’s going on in the courtroom. So the answer to your question is no. I don’t consider discussing court cases unethical. In fact, I consider it healthy.

CNN: You have said that our system of justice requires us to respect the jury's decision, but since the verdict you have continued to maintain that Casey Anthony is guilty and that the jurors erred in their decision. When is it time to come to terms with the fact that the jurors disagreed with you and move on?

Grace: I’ve already come to grips with the fact they disagree with me, and I don’t agree with them. But that doesn’t mean I have to agree with their decision. They were wrong: Tot mom murdered her daughter.

CNN: If you had access to the jurors, what would you ask them?

Grace: I would ask them why they did what they did. I’d like to know why. Not that it’s going to make any difference. There’s no way to explain their verdict, no logical way. Maybe that’s the problem. I’m trying to apply logic to people who were illogical in their jury deliberations.

CNN: Is there anything Casey Anthony can do to redeem herself? What would you like to see her do?

Grace: I’d like to see her admit she’s guilty and go to jail. Other than that, I’m not in the business of forgiving. That’s up to the lord. I’m just relieved that I believe, that I know, Caylee is in a place where her mother cannot hurt her anymore.

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soundoff (2,650 Responses)
  1. Steffan Piper

    Never agreed with Nancy grace - until now. What a complete and utter depressing situation. There's nothing more for this story other than sadness and broken hearts for the murdered child.

    July 6, 2011 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
  2. GBlane

    Nancy couldn't prosecute a case successfully with a defendant giving her a full videotaped confession. You're entertaining for a reason. Because you fail as a law professional.

    July 6, 2011 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Terry

    Nancy grace is a crude and obnoxious loud mouth. She had Casey guilty three years ago. Now hse has the nerve to insult the jury. What a mean and nasty person she is.

    July 6, 2011 at 10:23 pm | Report abuse |
  4. carla

    Does anyone else have a problem with her assessment of the jurors? They were not 12 stupid jurors. They were like any other 12 jurors picked randomly. Try and find 12 jurors with no negative history. If she really respected the law, she would respect the jury and the opinion and move on.

    July 6, 2011 at 10:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • GBlane

      She blasts the jurors,, but says they should have allowed the hearsay of jailhouse snitches to have been heard. What a quack!

      July 6, 2011 at 10:27 pm | Report abuse |
  5. toldyaso

    Your crusade to punish an unwed mother who chose partying over responsibility has backfired. Caylee had no motive. That's why she went free. Look at the Dad. He has motives and reasons why he'd like to see his daughter pit to death

    July 6, 2011 at 10:24 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Shereallyiscrazy

    I think the woman is unhinged. I used to think it was just her personal brand or media image, but I now truly think she has some sort of rage-induced mental illness. We have all been disgusted by the outcome of a trial or some type of perceived injustice, but every day this woman conducts herself like some Law & Order "rogue DA" character come to life. I really think she would murder Casey Anthony if given the chance, and it would be less about justice than her own narcissism.

    July 6, 2011 at 10:24 pm | Report abuse |
  7. andy

    this woman exploits dead children to make money

    nancy grace is human slime

    July 6, 2011 at 10:24 pm | Report abuse |
  8. A Florida Lawyer

    Even though I frequently disagreed with her, I use to like and enjoy Nancy Grace and her show. She always has been pro-prosecution, but in the early years she was funny, showed a humorous sarcastic side (very common to good prosecutors) and frequently had defense attorneys on her show with whom she'd engage in spirited, intellectually stimulating and good natured disagreements about prominent cases, predictions, application of the law, etc. But now, she fancies herself a self-appointed "savior" of justice ... a judge and jury who has the first, last, and ONLY word about the guilt or innocence of a particular defendant ... and woe is be to anyone who dares disagree with her. Just look at her now ... never smiling ... always nasty, surly, frowning, angry, self-righteous, and demeaning to anyone on the opposite side of one of her "expert" opinions. In fact, I believe she HURT the prosecution's case (in particular, by making it harder to pick a non-tainted jury) with her grandstanding, and boisterous opinions. Notice that she never, ever believes or entertains the thought that any defendant may, just may, be innocent. She is a sham and disgrace to the criminal justice system.

    July 6, 2011 at 10:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • iBod

      @A Florida Lawyer...I, too, have seen her earlier shows (my mother used to watch all the time)...Notice my careful phrasing of, "used to"...I couldn't agree more with you 🙂

      July 6, 2011 at 10:36 pm | Report abuse |
  9. jmc

    "That’s up to the lord. I’m just relieved that I believe, that I know, Caylee is in a place where her mother cannot hurt her anymore.." It's the Lord , the one , true God : creator and the Sovereign of all things .

    July 6, 2011 at 10:25 pm | Report abuse |
  10. wallynm

    As a lawyer TWIN MOM should respect the jury and the judicial process. She delivered a verdict that did not hold up before the trial even started., No real prosecutor ever does that.

    July 6, 2011 at 10:25 pm | Report abuse |
  11. jujubee

    Nancy Graceless needs to be shot out of a cannon, into the sun.

    July 6, 2011 at 10:25 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Anna

    You guys are all a disgrace. Look at you posting here and complaining about Nancy Grace. You are all fools get off your computer and do something.

    July 6, 2011 at 10:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Shereallyiscrazy

      Right back at you Anna.

      July 6, 2011 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Jim C., Lexington KY

    It should come as no surprise that Nancy Grace was a prosecutor. What does come as a surprise is the idea that she may have, perhaps, been a successful one. Mrs. Grace apparently has no notion of "Innocent Until Proven Guilty," and displays a flagrant level of self-embodied arrogance. This woman is an embarrassment, in my opinion, to the other parts and personalities of CNN. Suggestions? Hmmm... A higher dose of medication for Nancy Grace! –Or perhaps a little less. One can never be too certain. Either way, I haven't viewed CNN in my home for nearly six years, and prefer only to visit the site on the Web. Why, you ask? YES. You've guessed it... Nancy Grace.

    July 6, 2011 at 10:25 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Mark

    Nancy Grace should know our legal system isn't about justice, right and wrong. It's about manipulating the law and twisting it to your best advantage. Lawyers have worked to evolve the system to this point, so look in the mirror if it's not the system you want.

    July 6, 2011 at 10:26 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Dachau

    Nancy Grace is a Roland Freisler in disguise. I hope CNN is going to pull her off. What a hateful woman. I think the Casey anthony case verdict is questionable but dear nancy is spewing hate and disregard to the law of this country if it doesn't fit her. Just as Roland Freisler did. Didn't she also settle a lawsuit for wrongful death implications? Roland Freisler sent 100s of people to death – Nancy one so far and a second one almost..... RESPECT the law! crwal back under the stone you came from and hope you never meet me.

    July 6, 2011 at 10:26 pm | Report abuse |
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