Nancy Grace: I don't have to agree with Casey Anthony jury
HLN host and former prosecutor Nancy Grace broadcasts live during verdict watch in the Casey Anthony trial this week.
July 6th, 2011
08:56 PM ET

Nancy Grace: I don't have to agree with Casey Anthony jury

HLN host Nancy Grace has been credited with making the Casey Anthony case a national story. She has been outspoken in her belief that Anthony is guilty of murdering her daughter, despite a jury's verdict. She's also a former prosecutor with strong opinions about what went on in the Florida courtroom in the past few weeks. She spoke with about how she would have tried the case, the "CSI effect" on juries and why she doesn't "give a fig" about what Anthony's defense team thinks about her.

Grace: As I’ve always said since 1984, when I started trying cases, you win or lose your case - it’s all over at the end of voir dire (jury selection). I’ve always believed that. It’s true. I think this jury hamstrung the state. The state absolutely put up a good case and I get real fed up when I hear this is a circumstantial case. Most cases are circumstantial because rarely do people commit felony crimes in the open. Murder, armed robbery, you do it in private, in secret, so very rarely is there an eyewitness or direct evidence to a crime.

CNN: Watching a case like this, do you miss the courtroom and prosecuting cases?

Grace: I always miss the courtroom. I miss the courtroom all the time because the courtroom gave me immediate gratification. I knew I’d done something worthwhile when I put someone behind bars or represented crime victims, I knew I had a done a good thing by speaking for people who couldn’t speak for themselves. I don’t get that immediate gratification from being on TV.

CNN: As a former prosecutor, if you could retry this case, how would you do it differently?

Grace: I think they did such a very good job it’s hard to attack anything they did. I think maybe I would’ve taken a different tack in jury selection but that’s really it. There were some obvious problem jurors: You had one on there with an arrest for DUI; another with an arrest for drug paraphernalia; one whose sister and her boyfriend beat up their father; one juror who said she could not judge. Why the heck would you not want someone off the jury who cannot judge? The jury is the sole judge of facts, evidence and the law. Who the heck wants someone who can’t judge? They tried to get rid of them but were not successful. I think the jury was snakebitten from the get-go.

CNN: What do you think is the most important piece of evidence that the jury never saw or heard?

Grace: I don’t believe they saw all of the audiotapes or heard all the videotapes (of Casey Anthony’s jailhouse phone calls). I think the so-called bodyguard or bail bondsman had a lot to offer, his discussions with tot mom when she was referring to Caylee in the past tense before her body had been found, her being very flip about Caylee, being more concerned about a hot guy flirting with her on Facebook. Evidence of that nature.

There was another inmate that she allegedly discussed chloroform with, the fact there was absolutely an inmate who talked about a child floating in a pool in the backyard while the family was in the house … she lifted that story and transposed it onto Caylee. The fact that that inmate may not have had direct discussions with tot mom does not matter. … She did discuss it behind bars and within earshot of tot mom when they were in jail, on the cellblock at same time. I understand why the state didn’t do it, because when you start dealing with snitches and inmates it can blow up in your face.

CNN: What was the biggest weakness in the state’s forensic evidence, if any?

Grace: The single biggest weakness was the state didn’t have a cause of death. That is not required - there have been many, many cases with murder 1 convictions without any body. But the fact that the defendant can get rid of a body or let a body (be) hidden for so long that you cannot determine a cause of death is not a reason a defendant should get a benefit or a gold star or A-plus. I think the fact they didn’t have a cause of death hurt them because the jury could not understand the case or take it in. Juries have been watching too much "CSI" - they want murder weapon, DNA, fingerprints. In this case, there was no blood, no murder weapon. They wanted things that didn’t exist. They wanted a murder weapon – the murder weapon was tot mom’s hands. I also think the jury didn’t understand the law or felony murder. All said, it was a bad jury and I do not think it reflects on the case the state put up.

CNN: What did you think of the defense case? Did their experts neutralize the state’s experts?

Grace: I don’t think much of the defense case. However, when it gets so complex for jurors, the experts cancel themselves out.

CNN: How would you have handled Cindy Anthony? Should the state consider charging her with perjury?

Grace: I know she committed perjury but I don’t think a jury would convict her. I think that’s a very tough decision for authorities to make ... but no doubt what she said on the stand was not true.

CNN: People credit your involvement in highlighting the case early on. Looking back, is there anything you would have done differently?

Grace: The only thing I would’ve done differently is put on my hip boots and gone down to Florida and looked for Caylee myself.

CNN: What did you think of Cheney Mason’s statements that lawyers like yourself engaged in media assassination for the past three years?

Grace: I don’t recall him mentioning me by name but I think he’s more likely targeting local lawyers and members of the Florida bar who were discussing the case in the community. However, on the off chance he is, I really don’t give a fig. I mean, every time you take a stand on anything or stand up for anything, somebody’s going to dislike you and the fact that one of tot mom’s defense lawyers doesn’t like me doesn’t concern me in the least. I don’t like them much either.

CNN: Do you think it’s unethical for lawyers like yourself to make such pointed statements about a defendant’s guilt or innocence on national television?

Grace: Let me see, if I’m correct, the Constitution has a little thing called the First Amendment which allows for freedom of speech and under freedom of speech, unless it is defamatory, I’m pretty much allowed to speak my mind, and the fact I’m an upstanding member of the Georgia and D.C. bars does not cause me to lose my freedom of speech. As a matter of fact, if you were to read the minutes that were taken down as the Constitution was being written and passed, our fathers wanted courtrooms large enough for the whole community to sit in and see. No closed-door justice, no secret justice, and to me, that ensures a lively discourse about our justice system and what’s going on in the courtroom. So the answer to your question is no. I don’t consider discussing court cases unethical. In fact, I consider it healthy.

CNN: You have said that our system of justice requires us to respect the jury's decision, but since the verdict you have continued to maintain that Casey Anthony is guilty and that the jurors erred in their decision. When is it time to come to terms with the fact that the jurors disagreed with you and move on?

Grace: I’ve already come to grips with the fact they disagree with me, and I don’t agree with them. But that doesn’t mean I have to agree with their decision. They were wrong: Tot mom murdered her daughter.

CNN: If you had access to the jurors, what would you ask them?

Grace: I would ask them why they did what they did. I’d like to know why. Not that it’s going to make any difference. There’s no way to explain their verdict, no logical way. Maybe that’s the problem. I’m trying to apply logic to people who were illogical in their jury deliberations.

CNN: Is there anything Casey Anthony can do to redeem herself? What would you like to see her do?

Grace: I’d like to see her admit she’s guilty and go to jail. Other than that, I’m not in the business of forgiving. That’s up to the lord. I’m just relieved that I believe, that I know, Caylee is in a place where her mother cannot hurt her anymore.

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soundoff (2,650 Responses)
  1. rDS

    So if ol' Nancy was all pure and decent in her intent here and not just chasing the almighty dollar....then why would she rarely (if EVER) take phone calls from MEN ??? This show played to the emotions of women and she knew it. It made her millions and it was designed to do just that.

    July 6, 2011 at 10:58 pm | Report abuse |
  2. johnl60415

    i think the jury made there choice and i think it was correct sorry nancy

    July 6, 2011 at 10:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      Nancy Grace, a.k.a. "Helmet Head", is an egotistical, argumentative, blowhard. She is vindictive, abusive and combative with no respect for anyone whose opinion differs from her own. CNN would gain more credibility by replacing her so that she can find an area in life where she might add some value.

      July 6, 2011 at 11:08 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Terry

    Let Cnn know how you feel about Nancy Grace. Send them emails.

    July 6, 2011 at 10:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • PMD

      Terry – Exactly what I said. And here's the e-mail address: Would be nice to get these two off the air.

      July 8, 2011 at 5:03 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Syd

    Thanx God she is not a Judge. she would have killed her herself before trail even started. Prosecuter have BS evidence .Remember one of defence wittness world fame Doctor said that they have done very shaddy job at atopsy .if they done proper job they may very well find the actual cause of death then this goofy Grace would have shut her mouth

    July 6, 2011 at 10:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Magickly

      That dude was like a hundred years old. Perhaps his autopsy methods are a bit outdated.
      Also seemed to have a touch of Alzheimer's

      July 6, 2011 at 11:05 pm | Report abuse |
  5. sick of people like nancy grace

    I really hope the majority of Americans see what a self-serving person NG is. She makes me sick.

    July 6, 2011 at 11:00 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Gary J,

    I find Nancy Grace to be a shrill, biased, disgusting human being. I watched HLN for many, many years, since it's inception, until they put her on the air. I won't even glance at it now, in case she is on, or even have a clip on her. I'm allergic to her. She should be prosecuted for publicly judging people who have not been convicted. It represents the worst of America and is a shame.

    July 6, 2011 at 11:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Magickly

      Like a freaky harpy IMO

      July 6, 2011 at 11:06 pm | Report abuse |
  7. RGeneration

    Nancy...THE MOST ANNOYING PERSON ON NEW TELEVISION TODAY !! She beats even Glen Beck....and I'm not even an American citizen and I know !! LOL !!!

    July 6, 2011 at 11:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • A Parent

      What is New Television?

      July 6, 2011 at 11:07 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Yaw Dompreh

    This what you get when you always jump the gun, as a lawyer i expected her to respect the innocence of people until they are proven guilty. NG is the reason why i am happy that Casey is a free person. She talks to much and actually she turns to behave like she know everything.
    After the verdict i heard her casting doubt on the jury calling some of them names.....Maybe CNN and HLn needs to learn from this, there was no evidence to prove that Casey did it, NG is a prosecutor so if she's disagree with the verdict she should apple the case and go prove her evidence...simple, we tired of your nonsense is time to shut up and leave the poor family alone.

    July 6, 2011 at 11:01 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Joannero

    As sad and corrupt as this sounds, I have a strong feeling that Baez, Casey, Cindy, George and Lee had this all planned out, and we've all been played as fools. I believe George and Lee agreed to be subjected to the "molestation theory" in order for the defense to cast doubt about the whole family dynamics. I also believe Cindy agreed to saying she did the searches for chloroform in order to cast more doubt.

    I believe the Anthony's were called to the stand so many times, by Baez, because they were playing the roll of "Baez Puppets" in order to save Casey from death row. I think it was all a big charade to play with the State and Jury.

    I don't believe for one minute that much hate resided between George and Baez during the trial; it was all an act, played by a bunch of corrupt, immoral fools!

    The only one paying the price for this corruption is little Caylee, the US Citizens; and god forbid CASEY ANTHONY'S NEXT VICTIM!

    July 6, 2011 at 11:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • servhymn

      So very true!

      July 6, 2011 at 11:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • My2Sense4U

      I agree 100%. Couldn't have said it better.

      July 6, 2011 at 11:16 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Jojo

    But, Nancy, as an officer of the court, you should know better and not diminish the process. Show a little respect – the woman was tried by a jury of her peers (they're not required to be "educated") and they made a finding. Act like a professional, not a child.

    July 6, 2011 at 11:02 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Ernest

    Nasty disGrace: I don't have to agree with Casey Anthony jury... And we don't have to care if you do or don't....

    July 6, 2011 at 11:03 pm | Report abuse |
  12. A Parent

    This lady kills me. She is no better than the National Inquire. She outta get together with Geraldo Rivera and Jerry Springer, throw in Sally Jessie Rapheal and they would make one comical round table discussion. That's about all her show is, a joke!

    July 6, 2011 at 11:03 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Eileen

    You had her guilty and promoted it from day one. You appear to be an unethical attorney. Professional attorneys examine the content before they tell everyone or encourage people to find an individual guitly. In the new world order, it is "guilty until proven innocent". On paper and in the "We are America mode" one is innocent until proven guilty. I know you are in this to make money and encourage drama, but you should consider thet oath that you took. She may be not guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, but in your world and to promote yourself, she was guilty. Did you go to Law School to uphold justice or to promote your media position? She is not guilty, because there is doubt and I know, if you were in that court, you'd be playing the game and promoting the beyond reasonable doubt mantra. She is not guilty, and her father had something to do with this. You need to go back to Law School. You are an embarrassment, unless you are doing this to find people guilty whether they are or not.

    July 6, 2011 at 11:04 pm | Report abuse |
  14. James

    NG is correct that she doesn't have to agree with the verdict, but she damn sure had better respect it, because we have something in the United States called INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Not "innocent until Nancy decides you're guilty months before your actual trial". She is just as much an outside observer as anyone else; she has just as much access to the evidence and facts in the courtroom as you or me: ZERO. Yet she thinks she can pass any meaningful judgment on a case? BAH. The way she and other so-called journalists convict people in the media is shameful, and actually illegal in more civilized countries. NG is nothing more than a village gossip with a microphone, and I hope she gets sued off TV for the things she has said and done.

    July 6, 2011 at 11:04 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Tot mom is a child killer

    I am pretty certain that all the negative Nancy comments are from Casey Anthony's defense team. My suggestion to them would be to get your affairs in order because your day of judgement is coming. Children are a gift from God. There was no justice for Caylee!

    July 6, 2011 at 11:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kevin

      I'm not from her defense team and I think that your genuine feeling of loss of the life of this poor 2 year old child has been corrupted by a lynch mob media (especially Queenie Grace) because you want someone...her suffer and pay. However, we are a nation of laws and people are innocent until proven guilty. The jurors saw all of the evidence and voted 12-0 to acquit on the three most serious charges; Queenie Grace did not see all of the evidence, yet feels her ill-informed brain is supposed to be better than the 12 who were spared her nightly, predisposed belief that Casey Anthony was guilty, even before the trial was over. Shame on all of you who rush to judgment; get your facts straight before coming to a conclusion. If you ever are part of a jury (and I have been the Fore Person in a racial murder trial), you will find that you MUST apply the facts as you see them to the applicable laws, which the Judge spells out for you prior to deliberation.

      July 6, 2011 at 11:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • A Parent

      Are you for real! What a hypocrite you are. When you are done being so darn judgmental, maybe you'll take a step back and reflect on the God you are referencing. The only justice to be served will be from Him for whoever was the cause of her death. The prosecution dropped the ball and they know it. Reasonable Doubt look it up, they didn’t.

      July 6, 2011 at 11:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • drbasic

      WHOA!!.....Step off, God is indeed the judge, not YOU. Caylee has no not being with our Lord instead of this world not justice? You make it seem, since she is with the Lord, she would be better off here. Should Casey have done this, then yes one day she will answer to our Lord. His justice is between her and him, not you. You make christians look bad with your comment!

      July 7, 2011 at 3:35 am | Report abuse |
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