Nancy Grace: I don't have to agree with Casey Anthony jury
HLN host and former prosecutor Nancy Grace broadcasts live during verdict watch in the Casey Anthony trial this week.
July 6th, 2011
08:56 PM ET

Nancy Grace: I don't have to agree with Casey Anthony jury

HLN host Nancy Grace has been credited with making the Casey Anthony case a national story. She has been outspoken in her belief that Anthony is guilty of murdering her daughter, despite a jury's verdict. She's also a former prosecutor with strong opinions about what went on in the Florida courtroom in the past few weeks. She spoke with about how she would have tried the case, the "CSI effect" on juries and why she doesn't "give a fig" about what Anthony's defense team thinks about her.

Grace: As I’ve always said since 1984, when I started trying cases, you win or lose your case - it’s all over at the end of voir dire (jury selection). I’ve always believed that. It’s true. I think this jury hamstrung the state. The state absolutely put up a good case and I get real fed up when I hear this is a circumstantial case. Most cases are circumstantial because rarely do people commit felony crimes in the open. Murder, armed robbery, you do it in private, in secret, so very rarely is there an eyewitness or direct evidence to a crime.

CNN: Watching a case like this, do you miss the courtroom and prosecuting cases?

Grace: I always miss the courtroom. I miss the courtroom all the time because the courtroom gave me immediate gratification. I knew I’d done something worthwhile when I put someone behind bars or represented crime victims, I knew I had a done a good thing by speaking for people who couldn’t speak for themselves. I don’t get that immediate gratification from being on TV.

CNN: As a former prosecutor, if you could retry this case, how would you do it differently?

Grace: I think they did such a very good job it’s hard to attack anything they did. I think maybe I would’ve taken a different tack in jury selection but that’s really it. There were some obvious problem jurors: You had one on there with an arrest for DUI; another with an arrest for drug paraphernalia; one whose sister and her boyfriend beat up their father; one juror who said she could not judge. Why the heck would you not want someone off the jury who cannot judge? The jury is the sole judge of facts, evidence and the law. Who the heck wants someone who can’t judge? They tried to get rid of them but were not successful. I think the jury was snakebitten from the get-go.

CNN: What do you think is the most important piece of evidence that the jury never saw or heard?

Grace: I don’t believe they saw all of the audiotapes or heard all the videotapes (of Casey Anthony’s jailhouse phone calls). I think the so-called bodyguard or bail bondsman had a lot to offer, his discussions with tot mom when she was referring to Caylee in the past tense before her body had been found, her being very flip about Caylee, being more concerned about a hot guy flirting with her on Facebook. Evidence of that nature.

There was another inmate that she allegedly discussed chloroform with, the fact there was absolutely an inmate who talked about a child floating in a pool in the backyard while the family was in the house … she lifted that story and transposed it onto Caylee. The fact that that inmate may not have had direct discussions with tot mom does not matter. … She did discuss it behind bars and within earshot of tot mom when they were in jail, on the cellblock at same time. I understand why the state didn’t do it, because when you start dealing with snitches and inmates it can blow up in your face.

CNN: What was the biggest weakness in the state’s forensic evidence, if any?

Grace: The single biggest weakness was the state didn’t have a cause of death. That is not required - there have been many, many cases with murder 1 convictions without any body. But the fact that the defendant can get rid of a body or let a body (be) hidden for so long that you cannot determine a cause of death is not a reason a defendant should get a benefit or a gold star or A-plus. I think the fact they didn’t have a cause of death hurt them because the jury could not understand the case or take it in. Juries have been watching too much "CSI" - they want murder weapon, DNA, fingerprints. In this case, there was no blood, no murder weapon. They wanted things that didn’t exist. They wanted a murder weapon – the murder weapon was tot mom’s hands. I also think the jury didn’t understand the law or felony murder. All said, it was a bad jury and I do not think it reflects on the case the state put up.

CNN: What did you think of the defense case? Did their experts neutralize the state’s experts?

Grace: I don’t think much of the defense case. However, when it gets so complex for jurors, the experts cancel themselves out.

CNN: How would you have handled Cindy Anthony? Should the state consider charging her with perjury?

Grace: I know she committed perjury but I don’t think a jury would convict her. I think that’s a very tough decision for authorities to make ... but no doubt what she said on the stand was not true.

CNN: People credit your involvement in highlighting the case early on. Looking back, is there anything you would have done differently?

Grace: The only thing I would’ve done differently is put on my hip boots and gone down to Florida and looked for Caylee myself.

CNN: What did you think of Cheney Mason’s statements that lawyers like yourself engaged in media assassination for the past three years?

Grace: I don’t recall him mentioning me by name but I think he’s more likely targeting local lawyers and members of the Florida bar who were discussing the case in the community. However, on the off chance he is, I really don’t give a fig. I mean, every time you take a stand on anything or stand up for anything, somebody’s going to dislike you and the fact that one of tot mom’s defense lawyers doesn’t like me doesn’t concern me in the least. I don’t like them much either.

CNN: Do you think it’s unethical for lawyers like yourself to make such pointed statements about a defendant’s guilt or innocence on national television?

Grace: Let me see, if I’m correct, the Constitution has a little thing called the First Amendment which allows for freedom of speech and under freedom of speech, unless it is defamatory, I’m pretty much allowed to speak my mind, and the fact I’m an upstanding member of the Georgia and D.C. bars does not cause me to lose my freedom of speech. As a matter of fact, if you were to read the minutes that were taken down as the Constitution was being written and passed, our fathers wanted courtrooms large enough for the whole community to sit in and see. No closed-door justice, no secret justice, and to me, that ensures a lively discourse about our justice system and what’s going on in the courtroom. So the answer to your question is no. I don’t consider discussing court cases unethical. In fact, I consider it healthy.

CNN: You have said that our system of justice requires us to respect the jury's decision, but since the verdict you have continued to maintain that Casey Anthony is guilty and that the jurors erred in their decision. When is it time to come to terms with the fact that the jurors disagreed with you and move on?

Grace: I’ve already come to grips with the fact they disagree with me, and I don’t agree with them. But that doesn’t mean I have to agree with their decision. They were wrong: Tot mom murdered her daughter.

CNN: If you had access to the jurors, what would you ask them?

Grace: I would ask them why they did what they did. I’d like to know why. Not that it’s going to make any difference. There’s no way to explain their verdict, no logical way. Maybe that’s the problem. I’m trying to apply logic to people who were illogical in their jury deliberations.

CNN: Is there anything Casey Anthony can do to redeem herself? What would you like to see her do?

Grace: I’d like to see her admit she’s guilty and go to jail. Other than that, I’m not in the business of forgiving. That’s up to the lord. I’m just relieved that I believe, that I know, Caylee is in a place where her mother cannot hurt her anymore.

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soundoff (2,650 Responses)
  1. Peter Murdoch

    Here is how much Nancy Grace cares about victims! In July 2006, Grace interviewed Smart, who was promoting a legislative bill. Grace repeatedly asked her for information regarding her abduction. Smart told her she didn't feel comfortable discussing it, despite Grace's persistence in the matter. Finally, Grace stopped when Smart said she "didn't appreciate [Grace] bringing all this up."[27] From wikipedia

    July 7, 2011 at 12:17 am | Report abuse |
  2. Adam

    After this trial and the circus Nancy Grace helped promote, I put her on the same level as Jerry Springer and his contribution to the cultural rot in this great country. Suffice it to say neither of them will be featured in future editions of the US Dictionary of Cultural Literacy (there's a saving "grace" for ya).

    July 7, 2011 at 12:17 am | Report abuse |
  3. Robin Fairchild

    I do not watch Nancy Grace. Either of her shows. She has a shrill voice. Her dealing with the verdict in the Anthony case was anything except graceful. I would never have hired her. I will watch her shows with the volume muted so I can see the advertisers to write to and boycott.

    July 7, 2011 at 12:17 am | Report abuse |
    • ocho

      yeah, that's a good use of time

      July 7, 2011 at 12:18 am | Report abuse |
  4. jkirlin

    Nancy Grace is the only person who could make me root for Casey Anthony.

    July 7, 2011 at 12:17 am | Report abuse |
    • Terry

      Exactly she makes me like casey

      July 7, 2011 at 12:57 am | Report abuse |
  5. Joe

    Talk about illogical. If she misses being in the courtroom and doing "something worthwhile" so much, then why doesn't she go back to being a courthouse lawyer? That she remains a tv host instead of a practicing lawyer is what's illogical.

    July 7, 2011 at 12:18 am | Report abuse |
  6. Sean

    Nancy is going to get CNN sued for malicious slander. Just wait. CNN will be so keephauled in court that they'll never air anything like hers again. Appeals will fail. It is what it is.

    July 7, 2011 at 12:18 am | Report abuse |
  7. Nancy Deen

    Nancy Grace is like Paula Deen after contracting rabies.

    July 7, 2011 at 12:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Will

      LOL!!! Hilarious. This woman is a joke.

      July 7, 2011 at 12:26 am | Report abuse |
  8. David Litton

    She can't state that we have to respect the jury's decision, and then turn around and say that they were wrong. You just can't do that. The jury made a decision based on the evidence and testimony provided, which was unsound. Get over it and move on, Nancy. We're tired of hearing it.

    July 7, 2011 at 12:19 am | Report abuse |
  9. RudyG

    Freedom of speech is one thing; lack of any accountability for basically convicting someone on national TV before the verdict is in is beyond reckless, it's criminal. Ms. Grace speaks like she's a regular private citizen. She's not. She has a responsibility to the public. How do you live in this country after the talking heads have pronounced you guilty? Ms. Grace may have high ratings, but she may just be the lowest form of life on TV these days. She represents the modern day version of the old lynch mobs that hanged suspects before they ever went to trial. And if she doesn't like my opinion of her, I don't give a fig!!

    July 7, 2011 at 12:19 am | Report abuse |
  10. RobfromMo

    Nancy Grace , Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman need to go live together on an otherwise deserted island and spare the rest of us their hysterical nonsense.

    July 7, 2011 at 12:20 am | Report abuse |
  11. sam

    nancy eats bearded clam
    she wishes she was a man
    she is ugly
    her mom is even uglier
    i bet NG stays awake at night pretending to 'choke the chicken'!
    big time dick envy

    July 7, 2011 at 12:20 am | Report abuse |
    • Will

      OMG! LMFAO...tears!

      July 7, 2011 at 12:32 am | Report abuse |
  12. Steve Edmonson

    Boycott Nancy Dis-Grace!!!! Start on 07-11-2011

    July 7, 2011 at 12:20 am | Report abuse |
  13. Michaelin Iowa

    Nancy Grace needs to move on and shut her big mouth, what ever happened to innocent before proven guilty?? she has the mindset that everyone is guilty before proven innocent! right down to that stupid sneer she has on her face. thank God she is not a real attorney any more the prisons would be full of innocent people if she had her way. don't go away mad Nancy ............just go away!!!!

    July 7, 2011 at 12:21 am | Report abuse |
  14. James

    Nancy I hope you realize Casey will be able to make millions of dollars on book deals because you publicized this case so much! The only justice you're after is justice for your wallet!

    July 7, 2011 at 12:21 am | Report abuse |
  15. Kevin B

    No one gives a crap if Nancy Grace agrees with the jury, or not. What people do care about is that Nancy Grace has yet to display any journalistic integrity.

    July 7, 2011 at 12:21 am | Report abuse |
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