Nancy Grace: I don't have to agree with Casey Anthony jury
HLN host and former prosecutor Nancy Grace broadcasts live during verdict watch in the Casey Anthony trial this week.
July 6th, 2011
08:56 PM ET

Nancy Grace: I don't have to agree with Casey Anthony jury

HLN host Nancy Grace has been credited with making the Casey Anthony case a national story. She has been outspoken in her belief that Anthony is guilty of murdering her daughter, despite a jury's verdict. She's also a former prosecutor with strong opinions about what went on in the Florida courtroom in the past few weeks. She spoke with CNN.com about how she would have tried the case, the "CSI effect" on juries and why she doesn't "give a fig" about what Anthony's defense team thinks about her.

Grace: As I’ve always said since 1984, when I started trying cases, you win or lose your case - it’s all over at the end of voir dire (jury selection). I’ve always believed that. It’s true. I think this jury hamstrung the state. The state absolutely put up a good case and I get real fed up when I hear this is a circumstantial case. Most cases are circumstantial because rarely do people commit felony crimes in the open. Murder, armed robbery, you do it in private, in secret, so very rarely is there an eyewitness or direct evidence to a crime.

CNN: Watching a case like this, do you miss the courtroom and prosecuting cases?

Grace: I always miss the courtroom. I miss the courtroom all the time because the courtroom gave me immediate gratification. I knew I’d done something worthwhile when I put someone behind bars or represented crime victims, I knew I had a done a good thing by speaking for people who couldn’t speak for themselves. I don’t get that immediate gratification from being on TV.

CNN: As a former prosecutor, if you could retry this case, how would you do it differently?

Grace: I think they did such a very good job it’s hard to attack anything they did. I think maybe I would’ve taken a different tack in jury selection but that’s really it. There were some obvious problem jurors: You had one on there with an arrest for DUI; another with an arrest for drug paraphernalia; one whose sister and her boyfriend beat up their father; one juror who said she could not judge. Why the heck would you not want someone off the jury who cannot judge? The jury is the sole judge of facts, evidence and the law. Who the heck wants someone who can’t judge? They tried to get rid of them but were not successful. I think the jury was snakebitten from the get-go.

CNN: What do you think is the most important piece of evidence that the jury never saw or heard?

Grace: I don’t believe they saw all of the audiotapes or heard all the videotapes (of Casey Anthony’s jailhouse phone calls). I think the so-called bodyguard or bail bondsman had a lot to offer, his discussions with tot mom when she was referring to Caylee in the past tense before her body had been found, her being very flip about Caylee, being more concerned about a hot guy flirting with her on Facebook. Evidence of that nature.

There was another inmate that she allegedly discussed chloroform with, the fact there was absolutely an inmate who talked about a child floating in a pool in the backyard while the family was in the house … she lifted that story and transposed it onto Caylee. The fact that that inmate may not have had direct discussions with tot mom does not matter. … She did discuss it behind bars and within earshot of tot mom when they were in jail, on the cellblock at same time. I understand why the state didn’t do it, because when you start dealing with snitches and inmates it can blow up in your face.

CNN: What was the biggest weakness in the state’s forensic evidence, if any?

Grace: The single biggest weakness was the state didn’t have a cause of death. That is not required - there have been many, many cases with murder 1 convictions without any body. But the fact that the defendant can get rid of a body or let a body (be) hidden for so long that you cannot determine a cause of death is not a reason a defendant should get a benefit or a gold star or A-plus. I think the fact they didn’t have a cause of death hurt them because the jury could not understand the case or take it in. Juries have been watching too much "CSI" - they want murder weapon, DNA, fingerprints. In this case, there was no blood, no murder weapon. They wanted things that didn’t exist. They wanted a murder weapon – the murder weapon was tot mom’s hands. I also think the jury didn’t understand the law or felony murder. All said, it was a bad jury and I do not think it reflects on the case the state put up.

CNN: What did you think of the defense case? Did their experts neutralize the state’s experts?

Grace: I don’t think much of the defense case. However, when it gets so complex for jurors, the experts cancel themselves out.

CNN: How would you have handled Cindy Anthony? Should the state consider charging her with perjury?

Grace: I know she committed perjury but I don’t think a jury would convict her. I think that’s a very tough decision for authorities to make ... but no doubt what she said on the stand was not true.

CNN: People credit your involvement in highlighting the case early on. Looking back, is there anything you would have done differently?

Grace: The only thing I would’ve done differently is put on my hip boots and gone down to Florida and looked for Caylee myself.

CNN: What did you think of Cheney Mason’s statements that lawyers like yourself engaged in media assassination for the past three years?

Grace: I don’t recall him mentioning me by name but I think he’s more likely targeting local lawyers and members of the Florida bar who were discussing the case in the community. However, on the off chance he is, I really don’t give a fig. I mean, every time you take a stand on anything or stand up for anything, somebody’s going to dislike you and the fact that one of tot mom’s defense lawyers doesn’t like me doesn’t concern me in the least. I don’t like them much either.

CNN: Do you think it’s unethical for lawyers like yourself to make such pointed statements about a defendant’s guilt or innocence on national television?

Grace: Let me see, if I’m correct, the Constitution has a little thing called the First Amendment which allows for freedom of speech and under freedom of speech, unless it is defamatory, I’m pretty much allowed to speak my mind, and the fact I’m an upstanding member of the Georgia and D.C. bars does not cause me to lose my freedom of speech. As a matter of fact, if you were to read the minutes that were taken down as the Constitution was being written and passed, our fathers wanted courtrooms large enough for the whole community to sit in and see. No closed-door justice, no secret justice, and to me, that ensures a lively discourse about our justice system and what’s going on in the courtroom. So the answer to your question is no. I don’t consider discussing court cases unethical. In fact, I consider it healthy.

CNN: You have said that our system of justice requires us to respect the jury's decision, but since the verdict you have continued to maintain that Casey Anthony is guilty and that the jurors erred in their decision. When is it time to come to terms with the fact that the jurors disagreed with you and move on?

Grace: I’ve already come to grips with the fact they disagree with me, and I don’t agree with them. But that doesn’t mean I have to agree with their decision. They were wrong: Tot mom murdered her daughter.

CNN: If you had access to the jurors, what would you ask them?

Grace: I would ask them why they did what they did. I’d like to know why. Not that it’s going to make any difference. There’s no way to explain their verdict, no logical way. Maybe that’s the problem. I’m trying to apply logic to people who were illogical in their jury deliberations.

CNN: Is there anything Casey Anthony can do to redeem herself? What would you like to see her do?

Grace: I’d like to see her admit she’s guilty and go to jail. Other than that, I’m not in the business of forgiving. That’s up to the lord. I’m just relieved that I believe, that I know, Caylee is in a place where her mother cannot hurt her anymore.

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soundoff (2,650 Responses)
  1. Steve Edmonson

    Let's Boycott Nancy Dis-Grace!!!! Start on 07-11-2011

    July 7, 2011 at 12:22 am | Report abuse |
    • Disgusted

      Great plan, and the boycott should include sponsors of Nancy Grace's show!

      July 7, 2011 at 1:18 am | Report abuse |
    • sluggo

      Yeah....i like to follow orders from a tool named Steve. Boycott nancy Grace for doing the same thing she does everyday. I stopped watching her years go. AND I will NEVER listen to our tired A$$. First amendment ....

      July 7, 2011 at 2:21 am | Report abuse |
  2. sam

    i wonder if any sober guy has ever nailed NG?
    she is so fugly...even mentioning her name makes my dyck retreat!!!!!

    July 7, 2011 at 12:23 am | Report abuse |
    • JakeC

      I'm ROTF LMFAO

      July 7, 2011 at 12:27 am | Report abuse |
    • Will

      BWAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Horse laughing.

      July 7, 2011 at 12:29 am | Report abuse |
    • coyote02

      thats because you are a weak man and afraid of strong women. I like nancy

      July 7, 2011 at 12:39 am | Report abuse |
    • JakeC

      COYOTE...I APPLAUD strong women and encourage my 3 sisters and 2 nieces not to take ANY CRAP from ANYONE male or female. Most of US dislike Nancy because she EPITOMIZES the VERY WORST in women. Most women REALLY DO believe they are right ALL OF THE TIME. I know...I've been married to 3 crazy I AM ALWAYS RIGHT women.

      July 7, 2011 at 12:48 am | Report abuse |
  3. Steve Edmonson

    I say Boycott Nancy Dis-Grace!!!! Start on 07-11-2011

    July 7, 2011 at 12:23 am | Report abuse |
  4. bill

    I like Nancy, but ole Nancy is wiping the sh it off her face with her tot mom rant.

    July 7, 2011 at 12:23 am | Report abuse |
    • JakeC

      Personally, my room mate is a HARD CORE DISGrace devotee and he's never even lived in a mobile home. Hmm! With that said, every time I would hear her refer to Ms Anthony as TOT MOM...I almost wanted to force an ice pick in my own ears. ONLY Ms DISGrace and her LOYAL LOONS refer to her as TOT MOM, proving their TRUE lack of intelligence. I saw Ms DISGrace nearly BITE Joy Behar's head off once for ASKING why she referred to Ms Anthony as TOT MOM.

      July 7, 2011 at 12:30 am | Report abuse |
  5. Alexander

    I think Nancy Grace should appologize to the American people who belive in our justice system. She is trashing everything it stands for. I am deeply offended by her behavior and comments. For her to sit there and accuse the jury is just disgusting.

    July 7, 2011 at 12:23 am | Report abuse |
    • coyote02

      jurors are not beyond reproach. Think OJ. Nancy has right to speech.

      July 7, 2011 at 12:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Brianna Marie

      Nancy Grace is only speaking on what the rest or SANE America is thinking! She has absolutely no reason to apologize!

      July 7, 2011 at 12:47 am | Report abuse |
  6. Steve Edmonson

    We can only Hope????

    July 7, 2011 at 12:23 am | Report abuse |
  7. James Langer

    Nancy Grace is a disgrace to a network usually known for its fair coverage.

    July 7, 2011 at 12:23 am | Report abuse |
  8. Peter Murdoch

    Great to see by the posts on here not everyone has been brainwashed by this evil hypocritical person you are the witch Ms. Grace!

    July 7, 2011 at 12:25 am | Report abuse |
  9. DrD

    Nancy Grace is what's wrong with sensationalist TV in America – all opinions and no fact checking.

    She should not be given a platform to push her viewpoint as 'the truth'.

    July 7, 2011 at 12:25 am | Report abuse |
  10. JustMe

    Most people who are passionate about their beliefs and not scared in stating them are usually criticzed and and become a 'target' for nasty and rude comments..

    If you dislike Ms. Grace that much...switch channels or better yet...put all that negative energy into something worthwhile..jmho

    July 7, 2011 at 12:26 am | Report abuse |
    • Kevin B

      I have yet to stomach more than 3 minutes of NG. She needs to go, and that's the truth of it.

      July 7, 2011 at 12:27 am | Report abuse |
    • radar love

      nancy is a pig
      oink oink oink
      i wish someone would put out a hit on her!
      take her out in 1 shot!
      honestly now-who would miss her?
      not even her mommy

      July 7, 2011 at 12:30 am | Report abuse |
    • JakeC

      I DON'T watch Ms DISGrace's show. Occasionally I have overheard blurbs from her show as my roomie is a DIE HARD DEVOTEE. I respect EVERYONE'S right to his or her own opinion (unlike Ms DISGrace). If a guest DARE to disagree with NAINCEE full of DISGRACE she treats them so crappy. WHY does ANYONE dare to come on her show? I do watch OTHERS on HLN even though lately you would think the ONLY thing happening in the world has been the Anthony trial.

      July 7, 2011 at 12:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Gary S

      Passionate is one thing...she is a former prosecutor who knows that the jury was given instruction to convict if they believed this was a premeditated murder which is required for 1st degree murder verdict. (Look up the Florida murder statutues). The prosecutor never gave a motive; or siad when or how she died....nor did they bother to even place her at the scene where the body was found. The prosecutors and Nancy Grace wanted the jury to disregard pertinent details and hope that the jury was to believe that Casey wanting to go partying was her motive which led to her planning out her daughter's murder. They never proved anything other than she was a bad mom. The charge should have been voluntary manslaughter. Casey is definitely guilty of something but if the glove doesnt fit, you must aquit...and this case, they didnt even have the glove.

      July 7, 2011 at 12:36 am | Report abuse |
  11. Kevin B

    Fire the biotch.

    July 7, 2011 at 12:26 am | Report abuse |
  12. Eddie

    Even if Casey admitted to killing her daughter on national television, unless they have NEW evidence they can't charge her for the murder of her daughter. Its double jeopardy....can't be charged with the same crime twice. That's why OJ didn't go to court after admitting killing his ex and her lover.

    July 7, 2011 at 12:26 am | Report abuse |
  13. lynne anderson

    If the jury did not think the prosecution proved their case and they did not think she is innocent, then why not create a hung jury or mistrial situation so she can be retried? Why let her off the hook?

    July 7, 2011 at 12:26 am | Report abuse |
    • JakeC

      Lynne, a HUNG JURY is one in which the 12 jurors were NOT unanimous in their decision. It would have been a REAL TRAVESTY to get a MISTRIAL as the poor Floridians are having to pay both the PROSECUTION and the DEFENSE and there would still be the LACK OF EVIDENCE so I believe that the jury did the right thing. Even though many of them, like myself, probably believe Ms Anthony had SOME role in the death of her daughter.

      July 7, 2011 at 12:42 am | Report abuse |
  14. Gary S

    I just read a quick review of her career on Wikipedia which only confirms what I have always believed about her. She is one these women who is always right and never admits (even in the face of facts) that she is wrong. Between her and Gloria Allred, I am not sure one is a bigger media w*h*o*r*e.

    July 7, 2011 at 12:27 am | Report abuse |
    • coyote02

      another woman hating weak little weasel. did your mama beat you when you were a kid? Mine did. Get over it loser.

      July 7, 2011 at 12:45 am | Report abuse |
  15. shelly

    I despise the sociopath casey anthony but I like her better than Nancy Grace. Nancy Grace is an obnoxious, angry, judgmental, narcissistic hypocrite. If I want to irritate my husband; I put on Nancy Grace. He cant stand her voice more than thirty seconds!!! It gives me great fun!

    July 7, 2011 at 12:27 am | Report abuse |
    • JakeC

      You wicked wench! LOL

      July 7, 2011 at 12:43 am | Report abuse |
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