Nancy Grace: I don't have to agree with Casey Anthony jury
HLN host and former prosecutor Nancy Grace broadcasts live during verdict watch in the Casey Anthony trial this week.
July 6th, 2011
08:56 PM ET

Nancy Grace: I don't have to agree with Casey Anthony jury

HLN host Nancy Grace has been credited with making the Casey Anthony case a national story. She has been outspoken in her belief that Anthony is guilty of murdering her daughter, despite a jury's verdict. She's also a former prosecutor with strong opinions about what went on in the Florida courtroom in the past few weeks. She spoke with about how she would have tried the case, the "CSI effect" on juries and why she doesn't "give a fig" about what Anthony's defense team thinks about her.

Grace: As I’ve always said since 1984, when I started trying cases, you win or lose your case - it’s all over at the end of voir dire (jury selection). I’ve always believed that. It’s true. I think this jury hamstrung the state. The state absolutely put up a good case and I get real fed up when I hear this is a circumstantial case. Most cases are circumstantial because rarely do people commit felony crimes in the open. Murder, armed robbery, you do it in private, in secret, so very rarely is there an eyewitness or direct evidence to a crime.

CNN: Watching a case like this, do you miss the courtroom and prosecuting cases?

Grace: I always miss the courtroom. I miss the courtroom all the time because the courtroom gave me immediate gratification. I knew I’d done something worthwhile when I put someone behind bars or represented crime victims, I knew I had a done a good thing by speaking for people who couldn’t speak for themselves. I don’t get that immediate gratification from being on TV.

CNN: As a former prosecutor, if you could retry this case, how would you do it differently?

Grace: I think they did such a very good job it’s hard to attack anything they did. I think maybe I would’ve taken a different tack in jury selection but that’s really it. There were some obvious problem jurors: You had one on there with an arrest for DUI; another with an arrest for drug paraphernalia; one whose sister and her boyfriend beat up their father; one juror who said she could not judge. Why the heck would you not want someone off the jury who cannot judge? The jury is the sole judge of facts, evidence and the law. Who the heck wants someone who can’t judge? They tried to get rid of them but were not successful. I think the jury was snakebitten from the get-go.

CNN: What do you think is the most important piece of evidence that the jury never saw or heard?

Grace: I don’t believe they saw all of the audiotapes or heard all the videotapes (of Casey Anthony’s jailhouse phone calls). I think the so-called bodyguard or bail bondsman had a lot to offer, his discussions with tot mom when she was referring to Caylee in the past tense before her body had been found, her being very flip about Caylee, being more concerned about a hot guy flirting with her on Facebook. Evidence of that nature.

There was another inmate that she allegedly discussed chloroform with, the fact there was absolutely an inmate who talked about a child floating in a pool in the backyard while the family was in the house … she lifted that story and transposed it onto Caylee. The fact that that inmate may not have had direct discussions with tot mom does not matter. … She did discuss it behind bars and within earshot of tot mom when they were in jail, on the cellblock at same time. I understand why the state didn’t do it, because when you start dealing with snitches and inmates it can blow up in your face.

CNN: What was the biggest weakness in the state’s forensic evidence, if any?

Grace: The single biggest weakness was the state didn’t have a cause of death. That is not required - there have been many, many cases with murder 1 convictions without any body. But the fact that the defendant can get rid of a body or let a body (be) hidden for so long that you cannot determine a cause of death is not a reason a defendant should get a benefit or a gold star or A-plus. I think the fact they didn’t have a cause of death hurt them because the jury could not understand the case or take it in. Juries have been watching too much "CSI" - they want murder weapon, DNA, fingerprints. In this case, there was no blood, no murder weapon. They wanted things that didn’t exist. They wanted a murder weapon – the murder weapon was tot mom’s hands. I also think the jury didn’t understand the law or felony murder. All said, it was a bad jury and I do not think it reflects on the case the state put up.

CNN: What did you think of the defense case? Did their experts neutralize the state’s experts?

Grace: I don’t think much of the defense case. However, when it gets so complex for jurors, the experts cancel themselves out.

CNN: How would you have handled Cindy Anthony? Should the state consider charging her with perjury?

Grace: I know she committed perjury but I don’t think a jury would convict her. I think that’s a very tough decision for authorities to make ... but no doubt what she said on the stand was not true.

CNN: People credit your involvement in highlighting the case early on. Looking back, is there anything you would have done differently?

Grace: The only thing I would’ve done differently is put on my hip boots and gone down to Florida and looked for Caylee myself.

CNN: What did you think of Cheney Mason’s statements that lawyers like yourself engaged in media assassination for the past three years?

Grace: I don’t recall him mentioning me by name but I think he’s more likely targeting local lawyers and members of the Florida bar who were discussing the case in the community. However, on the off chance he is, I really don’t give a fig. I mean, every time you take a stand on anything or stand up for anything, somebody’s going to dislike you and the fact that one of tot mom’s defense lawyers doesn’t like me doesn’t concern me in the least. I don’t like them much either.

CNN: Do you think it’s unethical for lawyers like yourself to make such pointed statements about a defendant’s guilt or innocence on national television?

Grace: Let me see, if I’m correct, the Constitution has a little thing called the First Amendment which allows for freedom of speech and under freedom of speech, unless it is defamatory, I’m pretty much allowed to speak my mind, and the fact I’m an upstanding member of the Georgia and D.C. bars does not cause me to lose my freedom of speech. As a matter of fact, if you were to read the minutes that were taken down as the Constitution was being written and passed, our fathers wanted courtrooms large enough for the whole community to sit in and see. No closed-door justice, no secret justice, and to me, that ensures a lively discourse about our justice system and what’s going on in the courtroom. So the answer to your question is no. I don’t consider discussing court cases unethical. In fact, I consider it healthy.

CNN: You have said that our system of justice requires us to respect the jury's decision, but since the verdict you have continued to maintain that Casey Anthony is guilty and that the jurors erred in their decision. When is it time to come to terms with the fact that the jurors disagreed with you and move on?

Grace: I’ve already come to grips with the fact they disagree with me, and I don’t agree with them. But that doesn’t mean I have to agree with their decision. They were wrong: Tot mom murdered her daughter.

CNN: If you had access to the jurors, what would you ask them?

Grace: I would ask them why they did what they did. I’d like to know why. Not that it’s going to make any difference. There’s no way to explain their verdict, no logical way. Maybe that’s the problem. I’m trying to apply logic to people who were illogical in their jury deliberations.

CNN: Is there anything Casey Anthony can do to redeem herself? What would you like to see her do?

Grace: I’d like to see her admit she’s guilty and go to jail. Other than that, I’m not in the business of forgiving. That’s up to the lord. I’m just relieved that I believe, that I know, Caylee is in a place where her mother cannot hurt her anymore.

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soundoff (2,650 Responses)
  1. Nancy's Straitjacket

    if anything happens to Casey Anthony and the perpetrator turns out to be one of Nancy Grace's rabid, brainless fans, can she be somehow held accountable?

    July 7, 2011 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Les

      It is sad that we live in a world inwhich people decide that they are GOD----WE will keep crying out to GOD for the safety of Caley Anthony.

      July 7, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • bama0918

      Maybe the same thing could happen as in the Melinda Duckett case – she could be named in a "wrongful death" civil suit. I don't think there's any precedent for naming someone in a criminal complaint for "goading" another person to commit murder or assault. Having said that, however, I share the same concerns. At some point she or CNN should do the right thing (or, at the very least, the "indemnifying" thing) and say that we respect and abide by the decisions of legally empanelled juries NO MATTER WHAT!!

      July 7, 2011 at 5:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • LIESSE

      Hey NANCY Grace


      July 7, 2011 at 7:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Maria

      Nancy Grace, do not be a hater, just forget the past and start to forgive it. There are so many sadness with wars, terrorism and natural disasters in the world already, we do not need more hate. Wheater the legal system did justice or not, weather Casey is guilty or not, that will be in her concious, in her life everyday till she dies, that is her karma that she will have to deal with forever. All the situations we live in life have a purpose that we all can only hope they help us to grow up as human beings, Let's pray for every human being in this world to have love and peace in their spitrits, wish this even to your enemies and people you do not know. God bless you and open your mind, heart and soul to his Infinite Love and compasion, good Caylee I am sure already has.

      July 7, 2011 at 7:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kentuckian

      If you,ve ever watched Nancy Grace,s show, you will see that she is so arrogant, and self-centered, that she won,t let anyone disagree with her about anything. Most of these people are way more qualified than her about the subject at hand. She cuts them off in mid-sentence, and if they continue to express their informed opinions, she cuts off their microphone. Her ego is fed by her sensationalism seeking groupies, telling her how great she is. Nancy....It is time for you to go. Your hate-fest towards the jurors, could get them killed, by the lynch mob you have created,and still continue to incite. If this happens, you should be charged with inciting violence, at the least,and I,m sure you will hope the jury trying you, won,t convict you on emotionalism, like you have Casey. If they do, you will be the one going to prison.

      July 7, 2011 at 8:22 pm | Report abuse |
  2. the viewfrom10k ft

    Nancy Grace, or for that matter anyone in this country may not like the verdict. BUT she has respect it and move on.
    She is an evil self serving rabble rouser, who because of her personal misfortune, has a personal crusade of inflicting pain on whomever she deems needs punishment.
    Listening to her talk and her demenor on camera she is one scary lady..

    July 7, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
  3. heart broken

    I will NOY watch any program (including nancy grace, cnn, fox, abc, etc who gives this woman (casey anthony) a forum and in particular MONEY!!!!

    July 7, 2011 at 5:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • yankeeman16

      I'm sure you'll be missed. Who cares if you won't watch anymore? Seriously?

      July 7, 2011 at 5:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Eric

      heartbroken, you don't mind that Nancy Pig Grace has milked Caylee's death for more money than anyone else in the country? Nancy the Pig has CASHED IN from the death of Caylee, and she sure isn't donating her money to help victims, is she?

      July 7, 2011 at 9:21 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Chicago, IL

    Nancy, you and your hateful twisted words are responsible for this young woman, Casey, going free for the murder of her toddler. By putting her in the spot light, you practically paid for her dream team of lawyers, by twisting public opinion, you created a lazy presecutor and hateful lynch mob. Now you are attacking our very justice system in an attempt to bully the jurors that did their job with the inadequate case presented.

    Nancy you are a horrible human being and as twisted as the criminals you claim to hate; the rules and truth don't apply to you or your agenda, and you rationalize it, by deluded yourself you are a victims's advocate. In reality, any cause you lend your name to becomes tainted and undermined. Go away.

    July 7, 2011 at 5:17 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Jason

    How can you prove murder without a cause of death? ALll they had was she died and someone covered it up, intent was not proven nor was she tied to the crime scene.

    July 7, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Miami

    Nancy, please shut up with your sloppy, biased, comments. I hope you get sued for wrongfully interfering with people's lives and for slander. The free press is important to democracy, and You are not a true journalist. You report like a minister of propaganda, and you hide behind the first amendment. You inflame public opinion, regardless of facts or consequences. The issues of life and death are too important for you to be wrongfully making accusations. I change the tv channel every time I see your face or hear your winy mouth.

    July 7, 2011 at 5:43 pm | Report abuse |
  7. linda

    i agree with nancy casey should rot in hell for all of the lies, taxpayers money she wasted, insulting her parents and just for being her that is all she cared about was herself and screw everyone else she seemed sooooooooo happy today when she thought she was geting out of jail but did you see her face when the judge gave her her sentence poor ol me and a look of hatred god will give her what she deserves

    July 7, 2011 at 5:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kentuckian

      Linda: God will also punish hatemongers, gossipers, and people who don,t reapect the law of the land. That would be Nancy Grace, and her groupies, which includes you!

      July 7, 2011 at 11:29 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Hokienation

    This woman needs to be ignored..Taken off TV..She conveniently believes this jury was bias?? Seriously? She is the most bias person on TV. She would be loving this jury had they found Casey guilty..but turns a blind eye when it doesnt go her way.

    July 7, 2011 at 6:06 pm | Report abuse |
  9. vjk

    all these people who hate nancy grace...i'm sure she really cares. you are like something stuck on the bottom of her shoe...nasty and doesn't want to touch it. do you think she cares what you think? she has enough fans that what some of you losers say is like water off a duck's back. ha ha. find a website that you matter on. LOVE YOU, NANCY!!!!

    July 7, 2011 at 6:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Eric

      You foolish fans of Nancy are enabling her to make tons of money by exploiting the deaths of people like Caylee. The only reason Nancy Grace cares about Caylee is because she knows she can make tons of cash by covering it. Congratulations, you are helping Nancy get rich by abusing Caylee's death. Hope you sleep well.

      July 7, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kentuckian

      VJK: Nancy Grace is still on tv spewing her hatred for Casey, her parents, her lawers , and the jurors. You Nancy groupies that LOVE her, just stoke her enormous ego. She does not know you personally, and she could care less about you. She only cares about herself. Wise Up!

      July 7, 2011 at 11:47 pm | Report abuse |
  10. champion chic

    I agree with Nancy and for those of you that think that Caylee's mother is not guilty well I think she is.Their were many discrepancies within her stories and her case. It was evident that she had lied about minor things so would she lie about killing her daughter YES ! just goes to show that the justice system has once again been incompetent in doing their job or else...Caylee would have the justice that she deserves... I wish in some way that Nancy could try the case and get the verdict overturned .....GUILTY FOR MURDERING HER OWN CHILD !!!

    July 7, 2011 at 6:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kentuckian

      Casey cannot be tried again, its over, get over it. Would you like Nancy Grace sending you to be executed, without any evidence? Nancy is wrong. there must be evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt, There wasn,t. The jury got it right.

      July 8, 2011 at 12:00 am | Report abuse |
  11. Nancy

    Since we can't do anything about the verdict I know I will redirect my anger and I will pay more attention to my community and devote some of my time to contribute in some way to the prevention of child abuse. I hope we all can use this energy in a positive way, and as Nancy says, in our own way find justice for Caylee.

    July 7, 2011 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |


    July 7, 2011 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Eric

      What on earth are you blathering about? She is in jail, and will be until the 13th. You and Nancy Pig Grace are psychotic.

      July 7, 2011 at 9:26 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Joe

    Apparently its not ok for the jurors to talk to the new agencies and get any payment for it but its ok for nancy grace to talk sh*! about whatever she wants and make money off dead children every night on her show while making slanderous comments about people that she doesnt know. She's now slandering the jury and taking what theyve said out f context. im glad to see so many voice their displeasure over nancy grace. cnn, and other news agencies will eventually stop hiring people like this when victims of slander fire back with lawsuits.

    July 7, 2011 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
  14. lina alsafadi

    dear Nancy there is a pol i said no they change it to yes that is cheting

    July 7, 2011 at 7:23 pm | Report abuse |
  15. terri mackie

    i am shocked by the verdict, so i will do the only thing i can, i will refuse to buy a book, watch a movie, or listen to any interview that involves casey, her family, or any of her lawyers. any company or person who helps promote her celebrity, needs to be hit in the pocketbook. the devil truly is dancing nancy....

    July 7, 2011 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kentuckian

      The person that promoted her into a celebrity IS NANCY. Hit her in her pocketbook. Don,t watch her hate-filled tv program. Actually the devil dances everytime Nancy opens her trouble making mouth.

      July 8, 2011 at 12:10 am | Report abuse |
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