Nancy Grace: I don't have to agree with Casey Anthony jury
HLN host and former prosecutor Nancy Grace broadcasts live during verdict watch in the Casey Anthony trial this week.
July 6th, 2011
08:56 PM ET

Nancy Grace: I don't have to agree with Casey Anthony jury

HLN host Nancy Grace has been credited with making the Casey Anthony case a national story. She has been outspoken in her belief that Anthony is guilty of murdering her daughter, despite a jury's verdict. She's also a former prosecutor with strong opinions about what went on in the Florida courtroom in the past few weeks. She spoke with CNN.com about how she would have tried the case, the "CSI effect" on juries and why she doesn't "give a fig" about what Anthony's defense team thinks about her.

Grace: As I’ve always said since 1984, when I started trying cases, you win or lose your case - it’s all over at the end of voir dire (jury selection). I’ve always believed that. It’s true. I think this jury hamstrung the state. The state absolutely put up a good case and I get real fed up when I hear this is a circumstantial case. Most cases are circumstantial because rarely do people commit felony crimes in the open. Murder, armed robbery, you do it in private, in secret, so very rarely is there an eyewitness or direct evidence to a crime.

CNN: Watching a case like this, do you miss the courtroom and prosecuting cases?

Grace: I always miss the courtroom. I miss the courtroom all the time because the courtroom gave me immediate gratification. I knew I’d done something worthwhile when I put someone behind bars or represented crime victims, I knew I had a done a good thing by speaking for people who couldn’t speak for themselves. I don’t get that immediate gratification from being on TV.

CNN: As a former prosecutor, if you could retry this case, how would you do it differently?

Grace: I think they did such a very good job it’s hard to attack anything they did. I think maybe I would’ve taken a different tack in jury selection but that’s really it. There were some obvious problem jurors: You had one on there with an arrest for DUI; another with an arrest for drug paraphernalia; one whose sister and her boyfriend beat up their father; one juror who said she could not judge. Why the heck would you not want someone off the jury who cannot judge? The jury is the sole judge of facts, evidence and the law. Who the heck wants someone who can’t judge? They tried to get rid of them but were not successful. I think the jury was snakebitten from the get-go.

CNN: What do you think is the most important piece of evidence that the jury never saw or heard?

Grace: I don’t believe they saw all of the audiotapes or heard all the videotapes (of Casey Anthony’s jailhouse phone calls). I think the so-called bodyguard or bail bondsman had a lot to offer, his discussions with tot mom when she was referring to Caylee in the past tense before her body had been found, her being very flip about Caylee, being more concerned about a hot guy flirting with her on Facebook. Evidence of that nature.

There was another inmate that she allegedly discussed chloroform with, the fact there was absolutely an inmate who talked about a child floating in a pool in the backyard while the family was in the house … she lifted that story and transposed it onto Caylee. The fact that that inmate may not have had direct discussions with tot mom does not matter. … She did discuss it behind bars and within earshot of tot mom when they were in jail, on the cellblock at same time. I understand why the state didn’t do it, because when you start dealing with snitches and inmates it can blow up in your face.

CNN: What was the biggest weakness in the state’s forensic evidence, if any?

Grace: The single biggest weakness was the state didn’t have a cause of death. That is not required - there have been many, many cases with murder 1 convictions without any body. But the fact that the defendant can get rid of a body or let a body (be) hidden for so long that you cannot determine a cause of death is not a reason a defendant should get a benefit or a gold star or A-plus. I think the fact they didn’t have a cause of death hurt them because the jury could not understand the case or take it in. Juries have been watching too much "CSI" - they want murder weapon, DNA, fingerprints. In this case, there was no blood, no murder weapon. They wanted things that didn’t exist. They wanted a murder weapon – the murder weapon was tot mom’s hands. I also think the jury didn’t understand the law or felony murder. All said, it was a bad jury and I do not think it reflects on the case the state put up.

CNN: What did you think of the defense case? Did their experts neutralize the state’s experts?

Grace: I don’t think much of the defense case. However, when it gets so complex for jurors, the experts cancel themselves out.

CNN: How would you have handled Cindy Anthony? Should the state consider charging her with perjury?

Grace: I know she committed perjury but I don’t think a jury would convict her. I think that’s a very tough decision for authorities to make ... but no doubt what she said on the stand was not true.

CNN: People credit your involvement in highlighting the case early on. Looking back, is there anything you would have done differently?

Grace: The only thing I would’ve done differently is put on my hip boots and gone down to Florida and looked for Caylee myself.

CNN: What did you think of Cheney Mason’s statements that lawyers like yourself engaged in media assassination for the past three years?

Grace: I don’t recall him mentioning me by name but I think he’s more likely targeting local lawyers and members of the Florida bar who were discussing the case in the community. However, on the off chance he is, I really don’t give a fig. I mean, every time you take a stand on anything or stand up for anything, somebody’s going to dislike you and the fact that one of tot mom’s defense lawyers doesn’t like me doesn’t concern me in the least. I don’t like them much either.

CNN: Do you think it’s unethical for lawyers like yourself to make such pointed statements about a defendant’s guilt or innocence on national television?

Grace: Let me see, if I’m correct, the Constitution has a little thing called the First Amendment which allows for freedom of speech and under freedom of speech, unless it is defamatory, I’m pretty much allowed to speak my mind, and the fact I’m an upstanding member of the Georgia and D.C. bars does not cause me to lose my freedom of speech. As a matter of fact, if you were to read the minutes that were taken down as the Constitution was being written and passed, our fathers wanted courtrooms large enough for the whole community to sit in and see. No closed-door justice, no secret justice, and to me, that ensures a lively discourse about our justice system and what’s going on in the courtroom. So the answer to your question is no. I don’t consider discussing court cases unethical. In fact, I consider it healthy.

CNN: You have said that our system of justice requires us to respect the jury's decision, but since the verdict you have continued to maintain that Casey Anthony is guilty and that the jurors erred in their decision. When is it time to come to terms with the fact that the jurors disagreed with you and move on?

Grace: I’ve already come to grips with the fact they disagree with me, and I don’t agree with them. But that doesn’t mean I have to agree with their decision. They were wrong: Tot mom murdered her daughter.

CNN: If you had access to the jurors, what would you ask them?

Grace: I would ask them why they did what they did. I’d like to know why. Not that it’s going to make any difference. There’s no way to explain their verdict, no logical way. Maybe that’s the problem. I’m trying to apply logic to people who were illogical in their jury deliberations.

CNN: Is there anything Casey Anthony can do to redeem herself? What would you like to see her do?

Grace: I’d like to see her admit she’s guilty and go to jail. Other than that, I’m not in the business of forgiving. That’s up to the lord. I’m just relieved that I believe, that I know, Caylee is in a place where her mother cannot hurt her anymore.

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soundoff (2,650 Responses)
  1. Pat Thomas

    If 2/3 of us believe there has been a travesty of justice, WE THE PEOPLE CAN MAKE SURE CASEY ANTHONY DOES NOT BENEFIT MONETARILY FROM THIS INJUSTICE. We should make a pact to not purchase any written or video (movie) that will result in one penney of our money going to this woman. Further, we should also declare that we will boycott any TV program, AND ITS SPONSORS, that pay her for an interview.

    July 11, 2011 at 6:54 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Pat Thomas

    If 2/3 of us believe this has been a travesty of justice, WE THE PEOPLE CAN ASSURE THAT CASEY ANTHONY DOES NOT BENEFIT MONETARILY FROM HER LIE AFTER LIE. We can make a pact not to purchase any written material or video (movie) tht will result in payments to her. Further, we should declare that we will boycot any TV program AND ITS SPONSORS who pay her for her interview!!

    July 11, 2011 at 6:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • M.J. vonShrum

      Thank you very much Pat. I am onboard to boycott anything on which Casey Anthony can profit. Let's remember O.J.Simpson who finally got what he deserved. At least he finally went to jail where he belongs. My hope is that Casey Anthony will eventually go to jail for a long time for something. In the meantime, I will boycott anything associated with her on which she could possible profit.

      July 12, 2011 at 9:40 am | Report abuse |
    • JC

      THANK YOU!!

      July 12, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse |
  3. diane

    Poor Casey. so misjudged. You didn't lie. You didn't party down. Nancy made up those jailhouse visits. Shame on you Nancy. It was so obvious how upset she was about her daughter being missing. She did everything she could to help find her. And she did is right away too. When she couldn't find Caylee she immediately reported it to the cops so they could start looking for her. She did what any loving parent would do. Good job jury. And thanks for going by the law. Can't judge. I hope if I ever go to trial I get someone like that on my jury.

    July 11, 2011 at 10:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ren

      You obviously..missing a part of your brain...so..I will forgive..you..but ..please don't write anymore views..cuz..you have no clue what you are talking about...the girl ..has never spoke the truth..lives in a. World ..all to her own..and with that world..she decided..to kill her child..and now...she believes she can lie..even more..and maybe kill someone else..until she is stopped ...this is one sick..woman..who ..never heard the the word no...never Held a job..and had others take care of her...like a queen..bee...but she will sting again..

      July 12, 2011 at 1:07 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Martha

    I love you Nancy Grace! I tried making my point to alot of people and they just won't believe she is guilty. They say its the prosecutions fault for not providing enough evidence. I think there was more than enough! Maybe they didn't follow the case as well as I did. Thanks to you 🙂

    July 11, 2011 at 10:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • JIm

      Or maybe Martha, you are also an overly emotional woman who allows what you "feel" to overrule all logic and common sense. It's none fo your business. Our justice system did exactly what it should have done. Casey Anthony is crazy and worthless no doubt... but unless you were there you have no right to speak as if you are an expert. Emotions do not equal fact and when people start getting prosecuted in this country because of emotions... I'll move to Canada, lol.

      July 12, 2011 at 10:57 am | Report abuse |
  5. M. J. von Shrum

    Thank you, Nancy, for telling the truth. You are one gutsy lady. I hope people won't turn Casey Anthony into a media success. Please boycott anything on which she could make money just as the public did with O.J. Simpson.

    Casey Anthony should not make makey off her child's death. What a slap in the face for that beautiful little girl who never had a chance to grow up and have full life.

    I will not watch or buy anything about or buy Casey Anthony. We did it with success with O.J; let's do the same favor for Casey Anthony.

    July 12, 2011 at 9:36 am | Report abuse |
  6. B. Beasley

    LET'S DO THE SAME THING WE DID WITH O.J. SIMPSON. LET'S BOYCOTT BOOKS, TV INTERVIEWS, MAGAZINE ARTICLES, ETC.ETC. OF CASEY ANTHONY. SHE IS NO CELEBRITY. SHE SHOULD NOT BE ENRICHED.

    I wonder if OJ's jury moved to Florida and served on the Casey Anthony jury.

    July 12, 2011 at 9:47 am | Report abuse |
  7. Anne Kelgs

    BOYCOTT ANYTHING ON WHICH CASEY ANTHONY CAN PROFIT. SHE SHOULD NOT PROSPER FROM THE DEATH OF THAT SWEET LITTLE CHILD. IGNORE HER, PLEASE.

    WE KEPT O.J. SIMPSON FROM MAKING MONEY AND WE CAN DO IT WITH CASEY ANTHONY.

    July 12, 2011 at 9:58 am | Report abuse |
  8. JIm

    Nancy Grace is a total basket case. She is the perfect example of the type of woman who primarily lets emotion run her actions instead of logic or common sense. It's hard to believe she is a lawyer and yet is so unprofessional. The fact of the matter on the Casey Anthony verdict is that the justice system did exactly what it was supposed to do. The state failed to prove that she killed her daughter and unless Nancy claims to be god or unless she helped do it, there is no way she can know for sure either. Is Casey Anothony a worthless, disgusting liar who obviously had something to do with the removal and disposal of the body? YES no doubt there. Did she purposely in cold blood kill her daughter? Who knows! Nancy pretends to know and lets her rampant emotions rule out all logic and common sense. If Casey would have been convicted, then every American should fear the legal system. The prosecution should never have charged her with 1st degree murder since they had done nothing to prove it! That simple. Now Nancy is running her emotional mouth again and stirring up more trouble that doesn't relate to her or her "twins" (blah). If anything happens to Casey Anthony, I hope that Nancy Grace is personally held liable for being the ring leader of this emotional hysteria mob. I will never again watch a single story she reports.

    July 12, 2011 at 10:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Brenda

      You talk about common sense and that Nancy Grace doesn't have any, and yet you are the one saying that the mother did something to the little girl but you don't know what. Use common sense!!! Put 2 and 2 together to make 4!! That mother killed her daughter. There is no other explanation for finding a 2 year old with duct tape on her in a garbage bag.

      July 12, 2011 at 11:58 am | Report abuse |
    • nancy miller

      Nancy Grace is a mother and she knows that if your child is missing, dead by accident or murdered that a mom that loves her child will not be out having fun and telling lies to anyone that is trying to help find that child. Nancy wants justice for a little girl and there is not one shred of evidence that anyone other than Casey done this. Unfortunately Caylee had decomposed and cause of death could not be determined. Casey's lies helped her by giving the body time to decompose. The jury was not competent and I have no respect or sympathy for any of them. The evidence was overwhelming that Casey killed her and all that you Casey supporters look at is the cause of death could not be determined. We had a jury to stupid to look at the big picture. We have a child killer walking free thanks to this jury, unless you still believe the nanny done it. Keep speaking for the victims Nancy Grace like you always do. These people that are dogging you are too dense to see what the truth is like 70% of the people do.

      July 12, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Terry

      Jim, I totally agree with you. Nancy Grace is a basket case psycho. People don't realize that if Casey Anthony had been convicted of murder or manslaughter, we SHOULD

      July 13, 2011 at 6:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • pat

      Jim
      yes it was settled in the court of law and she was deemed not guilty but we are all parties of the media frenzy you post and emotion prove that!! As for nancy grace she speaks truth and is great at it because she got under your skin!! As for the casey story sh is guilty of something what and how we will never know but a lot of people are making money off a dead child and that is wrong

      July 13, 2011 at 8:44 pm | Report abuse |
  9. JC

    BOYCOTT ANYTHING TO DO WITH CASEY ANTHONY...Disgusting that she should become "Rich & Famous" for killing her daughter.

    July 12, 2011 at 1:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cyndi

      I hope that this woman, Casey Anthony, is shunned all the rest of her days. And I hope any would-be producers or network executives take the high road and choose societal morals over any profits that may present. Remember when Matt Lauer refused to interview OJ Simpson? Casey will be free but she will suffer all the rest of her days. I wish she was unable to bear any more children.

      July 13, 2011 at 7:59 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Sue

    All I can say to all you Nancy Grace haters is I hope you never have a child go missing and are desperately trying to find them and need help...Nancy Grace is the only person who dedicates her show and life to help find missing children & adults and who is not afraid to stand up to the person or persons responsible for harming or killing a child...She has the courage to say what everyone else is thinking and I applaud that and god forbid anything ever happens to one of my kids she would be the first person I would call...There is a reason why she has never lost a case and that is because she is excellent what she does and doesn't put up with any bull**** from anyone.....Bottom line is Casey Anthony should be held responsible for what happened to that little girl..let's not forget 31 days went by before she was reported missing & then her mother had to do it....she is the poorest excuse of a mother I have ever seen and I can only hope that she gets what is due to her in the end...but for now she will party on and I am sure we will hear about her in the news again soon lets not forget she is the queen when it comes to forging checks and stealing also.

    July 12, 2011 at 6:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • enuffisenuff

      To all you Nancy Grace brown nosers....GET A LIFE!!! Her audience is a bunch of drama queens looking to lynch anybody that has a child come up dead. Anybody that thinks Casey Anthony deserved the death penalty from what the evidence showed is a whack job!!! Prison time....Maybe!! Life or Death not even close!!!

      July 12, 2011 at 7:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • steve

      In response to Sue's post saying: "...Nancy Grace is the only person who dedicates her show and life to help find missing children & adults and who is not afraid to stand up to the person or persons responsible for harming or killing a child.."

      This may be partially true. But if so, she would move on to another case that needs attention now that the Anthony trial is over rather than beating the drum for more ratings and fame. She cares about two things – 1. her own 'brand' and 2. her ratings.

      I don't think anyone will forget Casey Anthony and she'll pay for this the rest of her life (as she should). All the continued media coverage on this does nothing but prop up their ratings. It's very disgusting.

      July 13, 2011 at 3:59 pm | Report abuse |
  11. bobby bartram

    the bottom line is she 100 percent did murder that little girl!that jury knew she murdered little caylee and let her get away with it anyway!they will all answer for their crimes!what an unbeliviable miscarrige of justice.lets get rid of the jury system right now and use computers!

    July 12, 2011 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
  12. susan

    From what I got out of all the information from this whether it has anything to do with NG or not is its OK to be in Fla drug your child with chloroform place duct tape over her face put the child in a trash bag throw the bag in a neighborhood dump go out and party get a tattoo never report your child gone for WHATEVER reason go to court over it and legally get away with murder child neglect and anything else you want to get away with but just don't lie about it OR do and all you will spend after the verdict is approximately 1week in county jail In my opinion Fla allows you to get away with murdering your child

    July 13, 2011 at 12:42 pm | Report abuse |
  13. TByrd1958

    I AM SO SORRY FOR CAYLEE. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT NEITHER HER MOTHER OR HER GRANDPARENTS WANTED THIS CHILD. SHE WAS TOSSED AROUND LIKE A DECK OF CARDS. THERE WAS NO JUSTICE FOR LITTLE CAYLEE.
    WHAT THE JURY TOLD AMERICA THAT DAY WAS "ITS OK THAT THIS CHILD DIED IN VEIN & NOBODY CARES." I THINK THIS NATION NEEDS SOMEONE LIKE NANCY GRACE TO POINT OUT WHAT OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM SEEMS TO IGNORE. YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    July 13, 2011 at 8:14 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Sin City Moe

    Nancy the jury has spoken. The prosecution overcharged the defendant ( a common practice I am told) in an attempt to retire the most senior prosecuotr with a death penalty case "win". The scientist who wanted to sell a newfangled piece of equipment and thought this case was the best forum to market his new "sniffer" device. The medical examiner who called the death a homicide but, refused to put her signature on the death certificate as such. The multiple lies and half truths esposed by almost every witness from George and Cindy to Crystal Holloway and Roy Kronk. The IT expert who did the chlorform searches after the trial began. The CS investigator who leaked the false story of the heart shaped sticker on the baby's mouth. The facts were so convuluted that the jury didnt know what to believe other than the state didn't answer the most important questions the jurors had for them. Namely, When, Where and How did Caylee die? Without these answers they came to the only conclusion they could NOT GUILTY. AS someone who is "not in the business of forgiving" I suppose you will use the "stupid jury" claim as the basis for spewing more of your venom from your TV pulpit for this poor girl. Remember that one day we will all stand before the Judge and be tried for our sins. Will you be ready to explain yourself? P.S. How was the Crow? I find that a little dipping sauce helps.

    July 13, 2011 at 10:53 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Junior

    Nancy tells it like it is, people hate the truth, it's what it is...I'd love to see Nancy interview Casey...That would be something I'd pay to see.

    July 14, 2011 at 4:30 am | Report abuse |
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