Overheard on CNN.com: Have Americans forgiven Michael Vick yet?
Michael Vick will head to D.C. in support of legislation to crack down on dogfight spectators.
July 19th, 2011
05:35 PM ET

Overheard on CNN.com: Have Americans forgiven Michael Vick yet?

Comment of the day:

"Michael Vick. A proponent of illegal dog-fighting legislation? That's rich. I don't care how far he can throw a football. He hasn't earned my forgiveness and probably never will.” - cmd5150

Vick goes to Washington

Philadelphia Eagles star quarterback Michael Vick, who was released from prison in 2009 after serving 20 months for a dog-fighting conviction, is continuing to speak out against animal cruelty. Along with the head of the Humane Society of the United States, Vick will speak on Capital Hill about his support of a new bill that aims to strengthen penalties against spectators of dog and cock fights.

So has the public forgiven Vick, or do people think he will never be able to right his wrongs? CNN.com readers were divided:

esteebo said, “[I am] a long-time advocate of animal rights and I am disgusted with comments on here calling him ‘sick’ and ‘trash.’ He did something horrible; he was punished for it and is now taking steps to ensure that others do not make the same mistakes. If a drug dealer went to prison, saw the errors of his ways and started working with inter-city youth to keep them from selling drugs, would we be saying the same thing?”

ness22 responded, “The truth is he was never punished for the torture and murder of dogs – he was sent to jail for gambling. Also, he needs to be ‘contrite’ to keep getting those endorsement deals, like the one he just signed with Nike. If you think he is sorry, I feel sorry that you are so naive. He was flippant and obnoxious about his involvement, showing no remorse until it was obvious he needed to change his tune if he wanted to get paid again. He is a horrible role model and a horrible human being.”

ckbabs said, “I'll be the first to admit that I thought he was a lost cause back when he was caught in this wretched case. I wanted them to throw away the key. But he has absolutely demonstrated a willingness to help fight the good fight. He also shed light on the fact that it was a way of life – kids grow up seeing it from a very young age. He served time and now frequently works with the Humane Society to fight this. He is able to talk to people from neighborhoods that are pretty rough ... I truly hope he continues educating people in those circles.”

mymax said, “Served his time? Vick held a dog as high as he could and repeatedly slammed her to the ground until she died because she did NOT want to fight (just one of the dogs he killed). You don't fix this type of cruelty in two years at a prison where his fellow prison mates probably treated him like a king. You sports fans supporting him only care that he is still a good player. He cancelled his interview with Oprah when he found out the new owners of his [rescued] dogs were also going to be on the show. If he is such a good person now, why run and hide? If Vick had not been caught, he would STILL be killing dogs. That is the fact of the matter.”

TheFinalWerd said, “You all are such hypocrites. On one hand, you hold this non stop hatred for a football player who made a mistake years ago, paid for it and is now trying to right his wrong. On the other hand, you openly cheer for players who have defiled women, stolen, even killed innocent people and have never paid for it! You really want to make a difference? Then go adopt one of the dogs that are victims of this tragedy. Oh wait you don’t want to because they are pit bulls and you think they are vicious dogs anyway? Well then they are getting a needle and dying without big bad Vick around.”

brux73 responded, “Wrong! I did adopt a pit, with scars on her from when someone let her get all bit up by another dog ... my kids were pretty small too at the time, but I knew she was a sweet natured dog the minute I saw her! I love our dog, and my kids love our dog, and if something happened to her I would get another pit in a second. I have helped several of my friends adopt pits too! They are loving sweet pets. Mine sleeps with my little cat every day in the sun together. Nothing vicious about her!

leftyraydy said, “The Problem with This country is the fact that no one can forgive someone. Here's a Man that paid for his crimes and is trying to get back out there and continue his life. He pleaded guilty, went to jail and is trying so hard to make a name for himself again.”

I’m her mom, not her nanny

Rose Arce, a senior producer at CNN and contributor to Mamiverse, is leading the upcoming documentary “In Her Corner – Latino in America” about a Mexican-American amateur boxer. Her recent article about being a mother who is often mistaken for her daughter’s nanny sparked some debate.

Some CNN.com readers empathized with Arce, citing similar experiences, while others couldn’t understand where she was coming from.

mimzywhimzy said, “I am a half Hispanic woman. You're tripping because a two-year-old child called you a babysitter? Get over it. Stop plaguing your daughter with your neurosis and insecurities and focus on raising your daughter to be educated and confident. The only person who has a problem with you being Hispanic is YOU.”

xiaohuaxing said, “If I saw a white looking child with a Hispanic looking woman, I'd think she was a babysitter. If I saw a Hispanic looking child with a white looking woman, I'd still think she was a babysitter. Stop trying to make everybody else look racist. I'm pretty sure the ‘can I get some service?’ thing happens to me in restaurants more times than it happens to you (Chinese here). I always think it's funny.”

cn78 said, “As the white mom of a half Asian child, I'm more often mistaken for the adoptive mom. I'm asked where I got her. Saying "my uterus" usually shuts idiots up. If it's a kid, I'll just explain that her dad and I look very different.”

mkjp responded, “I'd love to know why on earth people think it is any of their freaking business! In what universe is it good manners to ask a stranger where they got their child?”

deepthinker said, “Though some believe that it's not racial, tell that to my black friend whose children are half white and a bit lighter in skin tone. While on an outing, 'caring' folk called the police on him assuming that he kidnapped his own children. Cheers to you Rose for this writing. Some people will get it and others won't.”

toosense said, “This isn't so much because everyone ‘stereotypes’ you. It is because you don't look like your daughter. THAT is why everyone thinks you are the babysitter. We have cleaners; they are white. We have a babysitter; she is white. They don't seem to share the same disgust at their professions that you do. Neither do we.

Female Dems supporting Palin and Bachmann?

The New Agenda is a nonpartisan women's advocacy group that united many women who were disappointed after Hillary Clinton's defeat in 2008. Now they support Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann and believe the women offer the best chance to break the glass ceiling in presidential politics.

The majority of CNN.com commenters said that they did not share the group’s cause:

Joker1984 said, “ ‘Support *any* woman seeking a top political office?’ That's insane. Support only those who are competent, as expressed by the deeds. Hillary Clinton, yes! Kay Bailey Hutchinson, yes. Olympia Snow, yes. Sarah Palin, no. Michelle Bachmann, no. Palin couldn't handle a full term as governor of Alaska. Bachmann spouts empty propaganda and displays an obvious lack of knowledge of American history. America will have a woman President some day, but she'll be a woman of substance, not empty rhetoric.”

IEK responded, “No kidding, it's not an attack on women when Bachmann actually IS a flake. She would be a horrible President and it's shocking that she's even in Congress. There will be other women, better women, to be the first woman President.”

Pembrolelib said, “Treatment of Palin and Bachmann is not sexist. It is deserved since they are totally unqualified, ignorant and not quite sane.”

Nanders said, “I supported Hillary and I am a woman. However I prefer to kill myself before I support a woman like Bachman. In my opinion it’s not the gender that defines her, she is snake.”

Compiled by the CNN.com moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.

soundoff (100 Responses)
  1. leeintulsa

    Everyone thinks they are Judge Dred

    July 19, 2011 at 11:05 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Jazzzzzzzz

    Come on Sam. Play nice or back to your sandbox. He he. LOL

    July 19, 2011 at 11:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sam

      Lol now what's the fun in that?

      July 19, 2011 at 11:26 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Mr sandyk

    Michael Vick should be left alone people like him are a ticking timebomb. he is keeping it together now out of need. unless he had serious rehab, this aggression will show itself again

    July 19, 2011 at 11:42 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Mad Ole Lady

    Hi Jazzzzzzzz. Its been awhile. Missed you guys!

    July 20, 2011 at 12:07 am | Report abuse |
  5. Mad Ole Lady

    I still have my pimped out hover round with the spinners.

    July 20, 2011 at 12:10 am | Report abuse |
  6. john wyatt


    July 20, 2011 at 12:28 am | Report abuse |
  7. Rover

    If that POS hadn't been caught, he'd be going to a dogfight tomorrow.

    Nice try, bud – not buying it for a second.

    July 20, 2011 at 12:53 am | Report abuse |
  8. The Ghost Of MV's Bark

    I'm dead. He's not. There is no justice for a losing pit bull.

    July 20, 2011 at 12:59 am | Report abuse |
  9. Sam

    I see the same brainless argument is still floating around here. "If he wouldn't have been caught he wouldn't have changed. Well no duh. It's at the precipice when people see change. That's human nature and if you fault Vick for that then you are a hypocrite.

    July 20, 2011 at 2:16 am | Report abuse |
  10. Joey Isotta-Fraschini

    @ Mr. Sandyk:

    July 20, 2011 at 5:08 am | Report abuse |
  11. Joey Isotta-Fraschini

    @ Sam:
    What was relevant to me: an opportunity to say hello to friendly others who were discussing a topic that I like, dogs, and another that is not relevant to me, football and its players.
    You and I don't have to talk at all.

    July 20, 2011 at 5:14 am | Report abuse |
  12. itsamemario

    fernace is the most intelligent poster here. no one else brought up human suffering at all, just damn dogs. and seriously people only get like this about cute animals..

    July 20, 2011 at 5:59 am | Report abuse |
  13. NotBuyingIt

    I do give some credence to what was said about growing up in that culture and what became 'normal' for him. However, does that concept of 'normal' ever really change on a very basic level? Is V doing this out of a sincere motive to make life better for dogs or for personal publicity and an attempt to change the public's negative perception of him?

    July 20, 2011 at 8:23 am | Report abuse |
  14. John Galt

    No. He is a loser and should not have been allowed to play. I will never buy from a company that has criminals and thugs as their spokesman.

    July 20, 2011 at 8:33 am | Report abuse |
  15. Bob Frapples

    Yeah..His "Community" forgives him..arrogance not withstanding, he did Electrocute and Hold these Dogs Underwater until they Drowned. Can you imagine them looking at him..The Dogs loved him and his Filthy Ilk and did their Best..Vick is indicative of the Trash of All Colors and Creeds that inhabit this country and abuse animals and people with impunitiy..who would miss them if they were gone..uh..nobody except their entourages who feed off their prosperous notoriety. Time to thin the Heard..Death Penalty for People and Animal Abusers..while we're at it...Let's get rid of Litterers too!

    July 20, 2011 at 9:26 am | Report abuse |
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