August 2nd, 2011
09:52 AM ET

Ancient ape skull found in Uganda

Scientists say they have found a 20 million-year-old fossil of an ape skull in Uganda.

A team of French and Ugandan paleontologists found the skull at a site called Napak XV, said team leader Martin Pickford, according to the news site The Hindu.

"This is the first time that the complete skull of an ape of this age has been found. ... (I)t is a highly important fossil and it will certainly put Uganda on the map in terms of the scientific world," Pickford said Tuesday in Kampala, according to France's

The skull belonged to a male Ugandapithecus major, an ancestor of today's great apes.

The expedition was led by Pickford, of the Collège de France in Paris, and professor Brigitte Senut of the Paris-based National Museum of Natural History, reported Uganda's New Vision website.

The discovery will enhance understanding of the development of apes and humans, the scientists said.

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  1. the bible

    Greek universities once taught the students who would listen that the earth was a hemishere supported by four elephants riding on the back of a giant turtle flying through space. Bible students of that era knew better, for long before ancient Greeks devised their personal theory, the bible was clear. The earth is in fact a sphere, just as God's word has always described it being. Even today bible student's understand that "fleeing from fornication" is the true path, and these other theories are all lies and lead to transmitted diseases and broken homes...and abortions.

    August 2, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Greg

      "the bible was clear. The earth is in fact a sphere, just as God's word has always described it being."

      Nonsense. The bible says the earth is a circle, not a sphere.

      Read and learn.

      "Isaiah does not use the actual Hebrew word for sphere, kadur, in 40:22 even though this utilization would have been much more appropriate if Isaiah intended to convey a spherical planet. In addition to this logical analysis of the verse, historians have long determined that a disc-shaped earth was a popular belief not only in the Middle East, but also in Greece before the time of Aristotle.

      Isaiah describes how God will “maketh the earth empty, turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof” (Isaiah 24:1). No matter how the spherical earth is situated, however, part of it will always be “upside-down” relative to another. As you should also realize that there’s no true “upside-down” to the earth, it’s impossible to orient our planet in such a fashion and erroneous for Isaiah to use this absurd brand of diction.

      The concept of gravity and its effect among massive spherical bodies would have certainly been a foreign notion to a fallible man, such as Isaiah, when this piece was written over 2000 years ago. However, if the earth were as flat as a casual observation would indicate, and we toss all modern understanding of gravity to the side, it would be very conceivable for us to think that God could invert the earth so that its inhabitants would fall into some unknown void.

      As the situation stands in the natural world, Isaiah plainly made the flat earth mistake because he had no scientific knowledge beyond that of his peers.

      Daniel also commits the same error recorded by Isaiah. He speaks of his dream about a tree so tall that “the height thereof reached unto heaven and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth” (Daniel 4:11).

      As you may have already deduced, it’s impossible to see a tree from all points on the earth, regardless of how far it ascends, because the earth is spherical. While witnessing this tree might be possible from all points on a plane or from all points on the earth known to the Hebrews, such widespread observation is simply impossible on a massive spherical Daniel obviously exhibited no special insight or inspiration either. The book of Job curiously refers to the earth as “long” and having a “strong” sky with the appearance of “glass” (11:9 and 37:18). “Long” obviously isn’t an accurate term for conveying the idea of a spherical planet. In addition to implying attributes of a flat world, this biblical author reinforces the widespread ancient belief of a glass dome ceiling covering the earth.

      In the New Testament, Matthew and Luke record a fantastic tale in which the Devil whisks Jesus to an exceedingly tall mountain in order to show him all the kingdoms of the world (4:8 and 4:5, respectively). Again, you cannot see the entire world from a single point. However, we must recall that the belief in a flat earth began to fizzle by the time writers put these words on hardcopy. Thus, this statement probably only insinuates that Matthew and Luke believed that all the kingdoms of the world were in locations observable from a single point. In other words, this passage is unemphaticly suggesting that the unviewable regions of the globe were void of kingdoms. If this interpretation is the case, the statement contains an entirely different category of error because it neglects civilizations of the Far East and Western Hemisphere that were presumably unknown to Middle Easterners."

      – Jason Long

      August 2, 2011 at 7:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Greg

      "Greek universities once taught the students who would listen that the earth was a hemishere supported by four elephants riding on the back of a giant turtle flying through space."

      Please name some of these "Greek universities" so I can verify your claim.

      August 2, 2011 at 7:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jazzzzzzzz

      Despite contrary assertions, the fact of a spherical earth was clearly proclaimed in the Bible by the prophet Isaiah nearly twenty-eight centuries ago ... "It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers [etc.]" Isaiah 40:22 (NKJ). When Isaiah wrote this verse he used the Hebrew word "khug" to describe the shape of the earth. Although this word is commonly translated into the English word "circle," the literal meaning of this word is "a sphere."3

      August 2, 2011 at 9:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jazzzzzzzz

      btw its (Khug)

      August 2, 2011 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jazzzzzzzz

      No khug is not in 40:22 because it's been translated to english for us, duhhhhh

      August 2, 2011 at 9:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Greg

      "It is He who sits above the circle of the earth"

      That's the flat earth theory right there.

      You wouldn't sit "above" a sphere. A sphere is, well, spherical. In space, a spherical earth has no "above" or "below".

      Besides, Isaiah also says that God is going to turn the earth upside down and spill out all the inhabitants. Clearly that imples a flat earth. A spherical earth can't be turned "upside down."

      By the way, what is God sitting on up there ?

      August 3, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Greg

      "Although this word is commonly translated into the English word "circle," the literal meaning of this word is "a sphere."


      Hebrew had a separate word for sphere.

      And if the Bible teaches about a spherical earth, somebody should have told the Prophet Daniel about it. He speaks of his dream about a tree so tall that “the height thereof reached unto heaven and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth” (Daniel 4:11).

      Only on a flat earth could a really tall tree be seen all over the entire earth.

      August 3, 2011 at 3:09 pm | Report abuse |
  2. raven

    I understand how fossilization works, I still think its remarkable that evidence of a creature(mammallian anyway )that lived 20m years ago . Even as a fossilized piece of rock .

    August 2, 2011 at 2:54 pm | Report abuse |
  3. the bible

    The idea of "fleeing from fornication" isn't a pretend story. It is genuine advice brought to you by the same man who brought you "love God and love your neighbor". But we fornicate while making fun of God, and we all know how our neighbors overseas feel about our love for them. (shrug) If it's just a collection of stories, we can do whatever we want without guilt. So let's pretend like Jesus was just joking. Wait! Let"s pretend that even he and his lofty views of ethics and morality are all make-believe too. Then we can all eat, drink, and be merry with each other until we become obese, drunks, and AIDS becomes pandemic. That'll show them believers what's up.

    August 2, 2011 at 3:07 pm | Report abuse |
  4. the bible

    ...check that last thought. Our Center's for Disease Control (CDC) reporst that AIDS is pandemic already, and that obesity and "alcoholism" are epidemics. Sorry about that. Carry on...too late to turn back now?

    August 2, 2011 at 3:17 pm | Report abuse |
  5. @the bible

    cut the crap, we know it's you philip, and it's getting real, real, real old! just post under your own name and quit trying to make every one beilieve anything you have to say is new. you need to fornicate once in a while, maybe that will calm your nutty ass down. or at least rub one out, but that's forbidden too, isn't it?

    August 2, 2011 at 3:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jazzzzzzzz

      Do you really want to take that chance of eternal happiness? Yes we are all human, but I like boundaries, I feel good with boundaries, and fornication can be had with your wife or husband! so you see, your not always going to miss out on some of life's pleasures, and in fact it feels better when you wait for your mate.
      Remember the 'PRIZE" isn't, fornicating with's putting God first.

      August 2, 2011 at 6:15 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Madame Royale

    I'm going back to my cave....

    August 2, 2011 at 3:47 pm | Report abuse |
  7. coffins

    I guess this debate is over, unless someone would like to explain why it is that bananas can't propagate without the hand of man. Which came or banana? Let's ask evolution if she knows. Keep in mind that she was stumped by the chicken or egg question already.

    August 2, 2011 at 5:19 pm | Report abuse |
  8. leeintulsa

    Is that true about bananas? They don't grow in the wild?

    I find it hard to believe.. How could monkeys have such a banana legend?

    Raiding banana farms?

    August 2, 2011 at 5:48 pm | Report abuse |
  9. banana nut

    They can grow, but unless there is someone there to save a "pup" for next year, there is no next-year for that banana plant. google it for more, leeintulsa. Oklahoma...where trees are made of wood. he he

    August 2, 2011 at 6:15 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Jazzzzzzzz

    A Colorado Springs police officer charged with se-ually assaulting six children pleaded not guilty Tuesday to 10 counts of child po-nography charges related to DVDs that were found in his house.
    oshua Carrier, 30, was arraigned during a brief hearing before 4th Judicial District Judge David A. Gilbert.

    The seually explicit material – found on DVDs in Carrier’s Colorado Springs home – is what sparked an investigation that ultimately led police to accuse Carrier, a former school resource officer, of inappropriately touching children, authorities said.

    A preliminary hearing on the 78 seual assault counts, all related to six children, was postponed until Sept. 15 after prosecutors said in court they intend to file more charges based on accounts from other children who have stepped forward.

    The judge set a July 26 hearing for any additional charges against Carrier, should prosecutors pursue them.

    Carrier is on unpaid leave and being held at the El Paso County jail on a $500,000 bond. Authorities launched a probe into his conduct at Horace Mann Middle School in School District 11 last May after announcing that detectives found child po@nography in his bedroom during a search of his home.

    Police began investigating after Air Force investigators told them that Carrier’s name came up during an investigation into online p@-rn trafficking.

    August 2, 2011 at 6:23 pm | Report abuse |
  11. banana nut

    Making love to one's wife is not 'fornicating', which is what the bible calls bumping uglies with someone whom God had not joined you with in marriage. (aka holy matrimony) There is a difference between "being fruitful" and fornicating. The fruit's of love-making are children whom we adore as a people. The fruits of fornication are just as well known, but adored by a relative few. And most of them are already dead by now.

    August 2, 2011 at 6:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jazzzzzzzz

      a husband and wife have s@xually int@ourse which is the definition of that word. I believe you told me that, my mistake. But I did NOT me doing it with someone your NOT married to.

      August 2, 2011 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Jazzzzzzzz

    You were speaking of the Bibles definition and I was speaking of the dictionary's definition, but I am in agreement to wait for your spouse, is that clear?

    August 2, 2011 at 6:46 pm | Report abuse |
  13. banasy


    Does it really matter?
    What matters is that they're delicious.

    August 2, 2011 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Jazzzzzzzz

    opps, just looked it up, your right...sorry. But my thought was in agreement to wait for your spouse. communication is always a good thing, right BLOGGERS OR BOOGERSSSSSSSSS HE HE

    August 2, 2011 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Jazzzzzzzz

    Any I've had enough, going for my walk now and a banana shake sounds good. hmmm

    August 2, 2011 at 6:52 pm | Report abuse |
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