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New fighter jet to bolster Russian air force
Russia's new stealth fighter jet made its public debut Tuesday, according to state-run news source RIA Novosti.
The Sukhoi T-50, developed collaboratively by Russia and India, appeared at the MAKS 2011 air show in Zhukovsky, outside Moscow.
Gen. Alexander Zelin, head of the Russian air force, told RIA Novosti he expects the T-50 prototype to be ready in 2013, with "mass-produced aircraft" arriving in 2014 or 2015.
The aircraft is expected to become a staple of airborne defense for both Russia and India, Mikhail Pogosyan, head of Russia's United Aircraft Corp., told RIA Novosti.
"The T-50 will be the newest main plane both for the Russian and the Indian air force," Pogosyan said.
The article from the state-run media source says the Sukhoi T-50 cost the two governments about $6 billion to develop, with India shouldering about 35% of the cost. It is intended to match the U.S. F-22 raptor.
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Let me see if I understand. India steals all the USA jobs, and takes the dollars earned and buys stuff from Russia. I hope India can produce better pilots than it can produce Customer "Service" reps, or these things will be crashing daily.
Steal? Your employer gives you a job. You don't own it. You earn it.
I beg to differ with that. America has a large percent of it's population that are dedicated, hard working, and PROVED their worth at "companies that exploited this success" for them selves taking what was developed, refined, and making a profit here and took all that infrastructure and told the dedicated workers to kiss off, thanks, but we are greedy and WANT MORE, so we go where poverty is accepted and take our trillions .... Thanks.
Do you know how much wealth has left the middle class in last several decades. The era of people earning wealth has been over for sometime.
The people who purchase the product provide the job. The employer which likely feels no loyalty to any country is free to get slave labor for production anywhere they wish. Since we have politicians who also have no loyalty to this country but only to their campaign contributors, this country is well on the way to being destroyed by its' trade policies and lack of tarriffs.
@Marty: Corporate greed and low ethics send those jobs to India, and we are all paying for the mistake.
Well only american public is paying for it... Not Indians,
well its a free market as US wanted it to be in 1990's so why Americans are so afraid of competing ..
@George Actually, its unions that send companies over seas. Unions wine and complain until they drain a business for all its worth until said business go's overseas where there are no unions. OOPS!
Dear George, spend $489 at Walmart. 99% of stuff was made in china.
As we all know China is a developing country with a large population. Most factories are labor-and resource-intensive industries, compared to many other countries the costs of labor force saved a lot. And due to China also a country aboundant in natural resources, almost all the materials needed in production can be supplied home. Most importantly, constant innovation of technology has brought to China tremendous changes. Many hi-tech products are now developed and applied in China, the productivity improved a lot. All these account for the good Chinese products with low price.
Actually it's employee greed. Lazy Americans who barely graduate HS who join unions and demand to be paid 30 dollars or more an hour plus full benefits for which they refuse to contribute towards. The spoiled American workforce is what has destroyed our economy.
The lack of opportunity for high tech education is causing unemployment for our country. Low skill jobs should be exported out of the country. We should be given the opportunity to continuously upgrade our skills and upgrade our profession towards higher and higher technology. But our government, unfortunately, believes that promotion of low cost education and health care borders on Socialism.
This country believes that we should not make this country too perfect, otherwise when jesus (or whomever else) comes, the messiah would have nothing to do and would need to file for unemployment benefits. This country is run by doomsday cultists who needs to ensure the country and the world retains a semblance of disorder and chaos so that the messiah will come and have something to do with his/her hands.
No the high tech jobs did not go to India. The Americans are hiring Indians into the USA. Just visit NASA and see how many Indian physicists and engineers work there. Just visit the science and engineering depts in the universities and see how many Indian professors are there.
Have to admit mostly it's our fault for byuing the crap. many companies went offshore to increase profits but many stayed behind but we're to cheap and don't care about each other anymore, just the 15% reduced flatscreen. rest of them had to leave or go broke.
Nobody sent jobs to India. They sent underpaid intellectual work to India (while profitting from it in the USA). The biggest drain on US economy has been outsourcing manufacturing jobs to China, for most lost jobs are in that specific sector. In the proces US has also sold out the fruits of their hard earned R&D work to China. At least get your blamegames right, and point the fingers at the real culprits (greedy US corporates, manufacturing and R&D sectors). CHinese espionage hasn't helped much either.
Its inherent in americans to be envious of others achievements
If you look very closely under the star on the right wind you can see "Made in China"
To 'unknown': That's just to confuse China so they won't find out that the engines are produced in Taiwan.
Duh.........Sukhoi isa Chinese ccompany that's been making aircraft for Russia for decades.
China cant build jet engines like the Russians.
isnt that the same with everything in US? even jobs are made in China here
If you look inside the plane you will see the Intel and AMD chips. Boot up the plane, and you will see MS Windows before anything else. The interior fittings are made in China. The apps are programmed in India.
I think you meant the F-22s will soon have a 'Made in China' tag on them coz the US has moved all its factories to Chna.
You mean left wing.
Get lost Marty. Nobody is stealing jobs. Americans need to get realistic and stop living on borrowed money
Opinion fail
I bet $10 marty is chinese.
If its made in china how can it be made in russia and india? Besides that, the chinese f-22 knock off won't be ready for 5 years.
This plane was obviously developed in house.
lol true. At least Russia knows how to use the technology. I almost think India is more experience with the flight than china. China has a long way to go.
The chinese are called paper dragon for a reason. They tend to bluff challengers into submission, while pretending to be more powerful than they actually are. The chinese stealth is totally unsubstantiated, while the Russian&Indian one is already in a bidding race for procurement by other countries, ie. South Korea.
Well general education system has already crashed in America. Dumb students in a country can't even name their Vice-President, neither can locate countries like Afghanistan and Iraq on the world map.
Nobody steals the jobs, they earn it. Just look at yourself, ignorant and frustrated.
Well said Sid
I'm sure most are anti India paki tr olls.. but some americans are pathetic, If we buy from them it's good & if we collaborate & develop our own then it's waste of money..then they'll start abusing.. toilet ..slums.. who the hell are they to command us.
Please remember that George Bush probably couldn't have found Afghanistan on the map prior to 9/11 either...
We have a vice-president? Is he in charge of vice or does he just participate? And it's the teachers and schools failing the students, not vice-versa. Our kids could compete if they weren't being taught by people who were 10th percentile students themselves.
Yes, because so frequently in today's job market, you are required to name US politicans or point to countries on a map.
A 25 year old F15 could shoot it down, never mind an F-22. The Gulf wars have proven no one has anything that comes close the hardware America has.
The Gulf war has proven that Saddam Hussein did not have anything close...
I agree...the electronics and missiles are what matter....well, and stealth. F22 came out what 10-20 years ago?
Humm does not really work like that. Unfortunatly... A 25 year old 3rd gen fighter is no match for a 5th gen... period. And no, the fact that U.S army kicked the but of a third world equiped army twice does not imply nobody else can rival its hardware.
Sure a 25 year old F-15 could probably shoot this down....but what happens when there are no more F-15's(or F-16's) left to fly,due to fatigue and no replacements,and F-22's are sold for scrap as they are going to be grounded forever due to "issues" ......then you will be seeing stars and stripes on these aircraft!! Funny how the US is sending thee biggest ever amount of military aircraft to MAKS 2011 in Moscow next month.....B-52's over the north pole to Russia as a destination for the first time ever....hmmmmmm
To a degree it could be argued that the Gulf Wars 1 and 2 were against forces that were operating technology "generations" behind that fielded by the US and the other countries involved. As such it was a 1st world country against essentially a 3rd so the result was never in doubt. Certainly the Iraqi forces never had anything like that which the Russians have developed over the years.
Are you a middle schooler or still an elementary one. Your comments are very " matture"?
How much taxes did you pay last spring?
Do you realise that US only attacks countries that are 40x smaller and not very developed?
Do you realise that the Iraqi military was using Russian technology from the sixties and seventies?
Also, why do you think US administration is always so scared when Russia is about to sell some of its equipment to countries like Iran?
It's not just hardware, although ours is probably the most advanced. It's also training and tactical indoctrination. In the first Gulf War, relatively comparable hardwares faced off between US and Iraq, and Iraqi air force was obliterated. US planes were better, certainly, but not to that degree. I'm not sure if there was any air-to-air loss in aerial engagements. We spend the most time and resources in training and it shows.
I can shoot the Russion jet with a pea-shooter. I can swing a bat and F15/F16/F22 all got broken wings. I won!
@RIchard
You don't know that... Currently F-22s can engage and shoot down six F-15s, in training excersises, before a single F-15 can pick up the F-22 on radar. The Russians are really good at building aircraft, is it on par with the F-22? Only time will tell.
Get your facts straight Marty...do you know how many jobs (or many dollars worth of revenue) have moved to India? Compare those same numbers with China. You wont, probably because you like Chinese girls more than Indian girls.
Chinese girls are better. And they don't stink.
I agree. In my field (drug discovery) white people employ more Chinese girls than any body else. Even the Chinese men (who outnumber other nationality and even Americans) prefer to hire docile Chinese women.
Those days are gone with globalization.... You cannot just be a manager... Work hard, be creative and earn job... Others are taking your jobs because you lack the skill that your employer needs for their investment. Don't waste time writing your comments here; go and improve your skills and find a good job.
if there were any jobs we'd gotten ones, but alas: Harvard grads are jobless. Not everyone can serve in military, the only place that still offers jobs.
I think by "steal" he means they are doing the job for less money, less money than it takes to do the job because to them, any money is better than what they can make in a job over there. So technically they are stealing the jobs.
India and any other country is not STEALING jobs.... America is actually GIVING away the jobs by not having proper policy's in place and also each and every citizen selling out and buying foreign products to save a few cents.
I think Mike hit it on the head with the comment about our policy setup to give jobs away.
I beleive we have some loopholes allowing corporations to send jobs overseas when they should be staying here.
I've thoought maybe they should at least incur a responsiblity to to pay for unemployment for the American that didn't get a job and pay their taxes. A little less incentive to send a job outside the US
Please....we have the skills trust me. Multinational corporations are in the business of making a profit, which means they are always looking for the least expensive supplier of material, labor, etc. I work with India and China daily and I see very little difference in "skill". Honestly, I can get more done more quickly in the States for a comparable price when you boil it all down.
I'm seeing a lot of "Made in Vietnam" labels lately. Better watch your back China...India.
Yeah! So be happy with your 80 cents a day and kiss your employer's feet he can afford to be generous enough to pay you that much while he's on his multi-million dollar estate
Stealing jobs – get your head out of the hot desert sand. Talk with your corporations who are out sourcing your jobs to make some profits. Indian pilots are world class and can even fly your fighters with no problem
It's amusing, some of these people commenting here, how they have no concept how corporations have moved jobs, and not just manufacturing jobs but highly technical white collar jobs, overseas.
The bottom line is the countries that US companies have migrated the most jobs to have little to no incentive to buy American products, other than college degrees. Yea – sell our knowledge to those overseas and leave the US a brainless bunch steered by evangelical politicians (in god we trust...) and corporate greed who control these zombies.
Watch out Marty looks like there are some Indian fighter pilots on this board.
Hey marty your teapartybeggers with their nutty backward idea on education will cause the USA which is already falling behind to fall further backwards eg. your nutty "creation crap".etc.
Fighter Jets are obsolete anyway.
Hi Emilio... how's Charlie doing?
Yeah, except they aren't.
To me it looks like a cross between the F-22 and the YF-23. Considering the requirements of stealth design and the current state of technology, though, it's not surprising that it looks familiar.
I find it truly disheartening that we cut off our F-22 order midstream now. Not to mention scraping the new engine project for the F-35.
We're the best for a couple of reasons. First, motivation. Second, training. And finally, because we put ourselves in the field with the best possible equipment money can buy.
With the amount of Indians I have seen working for Lockheed and Boeing offices make me question, WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG, huh?
Agreed, the basic principles of angular design etc would make many of the aircraft in this category similar in my opinion.
It's a knockoff...just like Rolex watches, DVDs and Gucci handbags.
Wake up America! Here is a wonderful value. Buy some of these, they are a GREAT value. No cost overuns. No R&D costs. Built like a tank, these birds can go and go without extensive overhauls. These would still be a bargain at twice the price.
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Wow, must be nice that India's government can spend such money on a new plane, while foreign aid helps feed its poor.
Yeah, and Detroit is paradise.
@Oodoodanoo
Obviously ny reading your posts you have something against the US. That's fine, who doesn't, but he said foreign aid helps feed their poor not US aid, so before you start attacking everyones posts that make sense, try to make sure your post is in line with their thoughts.
Huh? You know India isn't even close to getting as much aid as Israel (used almost exclusively to buy weapons). Most money that these countries get is ear marked to only be used to buy goods made in the US, so it ends up back in our pockets. Please, do some homework.
Those days are over. India is now giving other nations aid. So you have proven yourself to be another American in the low IQ band. Disappointing.
@BD, you dumb idiot, know the difference between India and Pakistan. India ia fast developing country and Pakistan a beggar. US gives aid to the beggar. Know this difference idiot.
Did I mention anything about the US giving them aid? No, I said "foreign aid". Yes, the US is considered a foreign country (kudos to you for knowing that) but not the only one, moron! So why don't YOU do some research and find out how much other nations give India, such as the UK. I love it when someone dumber than myself tries to call me out.
atleast they are not borrowing backdoor from china and Printing money like stupids whenever they need.. this is hilarious .. call other one out look at us ..
@Jeremy I have nothing against the US. I have something against smug self-righteousness, which is dripping from the original poster's comment. Meanwhile, you want to make a big deal about the difference between foreign aid India receives, versus the US aid component alone. A difference that means nothing to the argument. Unless you'd care to explain exactly how it does.
These things are going to become as obsolete for fighting wars as castle siege weapons of the Middle Ages.
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says who????
Does it carry a "black box"?
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/black-box/
How can it be stealth? I can see it.
You can see that side. If it was inverted, you wouldn't be able to.
Are you kidding or is that a serious question 🙂
You wouldn't be able to see it if what it just dropped from it's bombay doors just detonated.
The Liberals want to weak defense-"make love not war"- conservative want to fill coffers of corporations-(unrealistic costs). How may the country meet its challenges?
We need to take back this country from the political extremists...remind our politico jockies that a small group of extremists cannot rules the masses.
ares forgets that a small minority took over Germany and we got WW II. The Teaparty Nuts want to take the country back to Slavery days No Math, No Science except cooked up creation crap.
Sweet plane, and it will be ready 5 years before chinas knock off. Go india, russia, and usa.
We've used the now politically incorrect term "Chinese Blueprint" at Boeing in the 70's.
Now that India will be getting these upgraded fighters I wonder where Pakistan will turn. Relations with US are strained, China maybe? If so how does that play into Chineese / Russian relations? I think its going to be interesting to see how this plays out!
Pakistan is deeply entrenched with the Chinese. The prime minister of Pakistan is REQUIRED by agreement, to make quarterly trips to China to report on Pakistan's progress in its development of the infrastructure needed for Chinese companies to harvest its natural resources. This is a fact, look it up yourself.
They need to counter an aircraft we discontinued because there was no mission for it?
The F-35 is going to get axed too.
It will be interesting when our unmanned aircraft are hacked and turned against us.
This is not something to be taken lightly. 30 years ago we were told that the main battle take was obsolete... 40 years ago that we didn't need bombers. Now you say the same thing about fighters. Meanwhile, we have canceled production of the F-22. This is not a left/right political issue. Both sides should be concerned with national defense.
Are you sure you're replying to the correct comment? 'Cause what you're saying has little to do with what I'm saying.
India has been two timing us for decades. firmly ensconced in the Russian camp for their defence pacts and acquisition of weaponry and collaboration in every field, since the days of USSR.
They have been devilishly playing the Chinese & terror card to twist the minds & arms of our assinine politicians to get the maximum out of us, cutting edge technologies including nuclear, weapons etc.
Their engineers study & train here with no bars on what they learn & go back to their country with closest ties to Russia.
Go figure.
India dosnt own anything to states ... never took a single penny from ur broke country ... you pple back pakies against India .. so Indians are smart they devloping there war heads them selves ... pakies will suck ur blood off .. enjoy
now china will copy make some trash give to filthy pakies
You are ignorant.
Indians who educate here never go back. they are greedy of Money. Show me one Indian who returned to India after educating or working here.
And by the way during cold war, it is US which spoiled the relation with India and sided with Pakistan. India didn't have any other option but to purchase weapons from russia.
Saywhat, don't make me laugh. Successive US govts have been siding and sleeping in bed with a treacherous and morally bankrupt nation like Pakistan and you say that India has been two timing the US? Ridiculous. How is it that stupids like you even manage to survive in this world? People like you are asleep and blind as bats and yet find it enjoyable to parade their stupidity and low IQ on public forums.
Kishore is right. I too am yet to see Indians stop contributing to the US economy once they come down here. They stick through thick and thin. But that could change in the coming years, thanks to the US waging wars and wasting all their money on Pakistan, and outsourcing all their production to China, while India ascends slowly but surely. It is ridiculous to find not even *one* product in stores in the US, that is made in the US. Show me *one*.
You write like that dimwit Ms Michele Bachman. Go vote for her.
"Saywhat" is a Paki troll
See "Saywhats" English......Its a paki on his/her regular India bashing duty
WIth all the boasting about the technological superiority and being ahead of the game than Russia by 20 years, can you fend off the debt and the China problem? Stop being hawkish and be pragmatic.
Last I read CHina was in a worse financial state than the US ... so who's being hawkish??
Check if Hazare will win!