Overheard on CNN.com: Ad campaigns, racism and little girls
The controversial advert for Nivea for Men appeared in the September issue of Esquire
August 19th, 2011
05:05 PM ET

Overheard on CNN.com: Ad campaigns, racism and little girls

Comments of the Day:

"I'm a 51-year old white female, and yes, this is definitely racist. What on earth were they thinking? How did this ever make it through the vetting process?"–ShellyTea

"As a black man there is absolutely, positively, nothing wrong with this ad. It shows a mask of a black dude who happens to look like what a black person looks like when he doesn't clean up; then a black dude that looks like what a black person looks like when he cleans up. How the hell is that offensive? I'd say it's a good ad!! Also, you can be clean-cut with a shaped afro and lined beard, too. People whining about this are crazy to me."–DC in Big D

Nivea apologizes for controversial ad in Esquire

Two ad campaigns, two major underlying issues - racism and underage sexuality - had our readers arguing. In one, Nivea for Men ran, and later retracted, an ad showing a well-groomed African-American man holding what was apparently a mask of an unkempt African-American man and the slogan "Look Like You Give a Damn. Re-civilize Yourself."

The heat was so high on Twitter that Nivea almost immediately retracted the ad with an apology. Many commenters questioned whether the response would have been the same if a white man had been portrayed in the same way. In fact, there was one, which read "Sin City isn't an excuse to look like hell." Was it a racial portrayal of African-Americans? Readers who identified from both races spoke for both sides of the issue.

S1N said, "Seriously, racial? I see a mask of a black guy that looks like crap next to another black guy who is well-dressed, well groomed, and looking sharp. It's obvious which one cares about his appearance. That's the point of the ad. Hate to break it to those of you who are easily offended, but people can look like crap in any color. They can also look presentable. Sorry, but the guy in the ad is much more likely to get promoted or get laid than someone who looks like that fugly mask."

chef said, "Calling someone a 'black hole' isn't racist. Calling someone a 'tar baby' is. Referring to anyone black as 'uncivilized' could certainly, historically, be considered racially insensitive. However, would calling a young African-American street-level gang member 'uncivilized' be racist? Again this is a grey area, but I can't really think of too many black people who would be overly upset at this advertisement. I'm not black, but I do understand what it's like to be judged by racial stereotypes."

Candy S asked, "What if the photo was of a white male who was clean-cut throwing out a 'mask' of long, long hair, maybe even in a pony tail? No one would say anything to that. The ad is to clean up your look and that is it."

Anise Blue said, "The response to this ad is of course within historical context, where we all live. The United States has a history of slavery, formal and informal racism, and inequality that persists to this day. Yes, African-Americans are more sensitive to issues around race. Their grandparents and maybe parents lived under Jim Crow, you understand. All this did not happen hundreds and hundreds of years ago, removed from the current African-American experience. We have a ways to go before this is all left behind us, and the adult way to handle it is have a brain and use it."

Steven Harnack replied, "Anise, very well said! A person would have to live in a vacuum not to see that making an ad that mimics one of the core beliefs of racists would be inappropriate."

Adult-inspired lingerie marketed for young girls

In another ad campaign, this one by French company Jours Après Lunes, little girls pose like adults to market lingerie-like undergarments for their age group. Is the clothing problematic or is it the way the children are portrayed in the ad campaign? Are they really sexually provocative or are they playing dress up? Most CNN.com readers were shocked, but some said the clothes and the campaign were kids' stuff.

David1154 said, "Disgusting. They are little girls. Let them be little girls and enjoy childhood. What's as disturbing as the ads themselves is that parents would let their kids model for it. Money talks loudly, and some people just can't tell it to shut up."

ButJ said, "This is the end of common decency in our culture. You put such thoughts into little girls, and where is the innocence anymore? What kind of self-esteem will this cause the little ones? Kids spend all day watching Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian, and all the Disney shows are now about sex."

But EloraZ said, "The reason that all opinions on this article are AGAINST is that CNN deletes the ones who say it's no big deal. I don't think the photos or the product are a big deal at all and it would never even cross my mind to see it in an inappropriate way. It's just a clothing magazine. My comment went missing after it was posted, though. I bet this one will too!"

carlbotha agreed, "What you see when you look at these photos is a reflection of your own mind. I just see beautiful kids, imprinting on their parents, in the process of becoming adults. I see the innocence and it is beautiful. There is NOTHING sexual about it."

KarlinT said, "If the girl (ahem) 'model' in the photos did not matter why not just use a mannequin? Oh right, because that would not be sexy enough to sell lingerie! How does someone sit down in a room full of people and say 'I want to take photos of 4-year olds in panties and put them on a website' and not end up in jail? And of course little girls are going to want to be sexy after seeing ads like this, only perpetuating them as targets for sexual predators. It's just plain wrong on so many levels."

sherylsplace said, "Kids should have a childhood. Little girls need to have a balanced understanding of their value, which is more than sexual. The other issue is safety. Little girls in grade school who give off sexual messages are definitely at greater risk for attracting predators."

lostinusa said, "The clothing itself is not bad. The outfits are cute, and little girls would love them. However, they need to show the children doing what kids do: running in the backyard, chasing each other with water balloons, playing in the dirt and kicking a ball around. They are adding adult undertones that are inappropriate at best and more than a little creepy. The butt shot in the ad is pure pedo. Who the hell let that in? Some sick puppies running that ad agency for sure."

SpartyMom71 said, "I would not buy from this company. I, too, am sick of designers trying to sexualize our daughters. Sadly they continue to make these designs based on people buying these items."

jdsmyrf3 said, "Really? Go to your local Kmart tomorrow and look in the little girls' section. There is NOTHING different between the two companies other than pricing."

Do you feel your views align with these commenters' thoughts? Post a comment below or sound off on video.

Compiled by the CNN.com moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.

soundoff (143 Responses)
  1. Cesar

    @James: Joey's married. Too bad for the bow wow.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:06 pm | Report abuse |
  2. joe

    @s kel: glad you understood didn't take offense to what I was trying to get say, sometimes what I write doesn't seem come across just the way I mean for it to.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:08 pm | Report abuse |
  3. s kel

    ceaser stop masterbating while looking at your family photo and just shut the hell up. Stupid mindless fool.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:12 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Cesar

    @Joe: True, youth and good looks usually prevail in the employment process. But can you blame them. Studies have shown that if a man works with a female that is pretty and has big b@@bs, his life span will increase. Google it. I'm not joking. Go figure.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:12 pm | Report abuse |
  5. james

    @Cesar: I refrained from calling you a moron in my last post but now I must since you pointed out something I already had, to which you called me a dooch bag.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:13 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Cesar

    @James: You will not call me a moron ever. You are a goody two shoo and a nerd. It is not within you, dooch bag. I will give you 15 min. Then I'm gong to sleep.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:17 pm | Report abuse |
  7. james

    @Cesar: Pretty sure I already did call you a moron, yes I know you're not the real Cesar even though you'll claim to be but you're still a moron.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:23 pm | Report abuse |
  8. gung hoe

    Hey skel thats not cesar its a troll Skel i am very happy for you and your inter racial marriage But it still doesnt answer any of the statements that i brought up like the separate clubs for blacks can whites have their own college funds that blacks are not welcome to apply like blacks have if we had the unfair advantage like blacks do i would be rich but oh well it is what it is

    August 19, 2011 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
  9. s kel

    gung ho, we may not agree on much , lol political matters, race ect.. but your my fellow countryman and i tnink your a vet like me( us army 1st id) so i thank you and salute you.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:35 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Cesar

    @James: I can't believe you called me a moron. I just can't believe it. I'm totally shocked. You are so rude. @s kel. We are all of a collective unconscious matter; of mind and soul. This force gives us continuity from one life to another. This force is not destroyed when our bodies die and it can pass through physical death independent of our bodies. Thus, I am NOT "mindless". I'll take the fish and brusky, you have the rat poisen. Good night dooch bags.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:35 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Cesar

    Hey! I'm not a troll I am Cesar. The world is a planet, and I am its core.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:38 pm | Report abuse |
  12. La Bamba

    Regarding the kiddie lingerie.. Gross. Can we let kids be kids before they turn into young adult schmex fiends? This is all done on purpose. The creeps in corporate america and hollywood can't wait to have a fresh crop of play toys..

    August 19, 2011 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Cesar

    The world is a toilet and I am its clog.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:42 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Jt $

    Cesar is the clog and I am the draino.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:44 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Moo Hamad

    Jt$ is the draino and I am the sewer.

    August 19, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Report abuse |
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