Overheard on CNN.com: Proper protocol or bullying?
President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner
September 1st, 2011
06:50 PM ET

Overheard on CNN.com: Proper protocol or bullying?

Exchange of the Day:

" 'Obama accepts GOP request to push back speech to Congress'; Translation: 'President Obama obeys Boehner' "–Voltairine

"Translation: Yet again the president compromises, something the GOP has no idea how to do."–AGoodwin

Obama accepts GOP request to push back speech to Congress

Boehner disses presidency, and Obama takes it

President Obama intended to address Congress on September 7 on the urgency of creating jobs and growing the economy. House Speaker John Boehner recommended moving the address to September 8, and the president agreed. Arguments abound over whether the scheduling and rescheduling of the speech was simple logistics or a power play on one or both sides. CNN.com reader comments were similarly divided. Some wondered what all the fuss was about.

chapkom asked, "How in the nine hells is a reasonable request to accommodate security procedures 'a political showdown'? Seriously. Boehner made a request and Obama said 'OK.' How is that a showdown? The media need to grow up."

Others were upset with what they saw as Boehner's disrespectful attitude. egb1 said, "Grow up, Boehner. I hope the electorate lets officials know what they think of these stupid pissing matches by voting the officials out of office. The stalemate over the debt ceiling seriously damaged our country's precarious financial health, and now this kind of nonsense over even the most trivial issue - pushing the president's speech back a day just to show that you can."

lexgreen said, "Well, that didn't take long. A nice foreshadowing of the next coming political implosion this fall. I have to question the value of addressing a House of Representatives that has rendered itself nearly invisible as a functioning branch of government. A truly irrelevant bunch that will be unable to fashion any meaningful legislation."

Billwsu said, "He is the president of the United States. He doesn't, and shouldn't, have to get permission to address the nation. Would Eisenhower do this? Roosevelt? Kennedy? Hell no." AnotherSN said, "Way to be the bigger man, Barack. You know, I really do like the man. Both as a human and a president."

But others wanted to see President Obama fight back. LightSpeed1 said, "Good God, man. Is their ANYTHING you won't cave to? Even something as trivial as the timing of a speech? Come on now."

westvil1 said, "Personally, I'm getting tired of Obama and his lack of a backbone." Guest said, "That's the sad truth. Obama has not been a good president but the Republicans are not living in the 21st century. There's no good choice on either side of the aisle."

XsamiX said, "I was a huge, huge Obama supporter; worked his campaign like a full-time job. But like all of America I have watched him become a Milquetoast."

SamNM said, "GOP bully politics continues. Unfortunately, it's working perfectly for them because nobody, including Obama, will stand up to them. In America, nice guys finish last!"

How Obama could be the leader in the room

But Senior Political Analyst David Gergen commended the White House for its quick action, saying that when a president speaks before Congress, he does so as their guest: It was proper for President Obama to accede to Boehner's request, Gergen says. The more important issue, he writes, is whether we will actually now see action on jobs. He suggests the president come forward with a detailed plan that he strongly favors and then let the Republicans come to the White House in 10 days with their own.

mycroft16 said, "This was a really well written and pretty honest article." blckdrgn said, "Unfortunately, no matter what Obama suggests, Republican's will resist it every step of the way and will offer no solutions of their own."

MikeinChicago said, "What we don't need is another generic speech from President Obama, or more Republicans expounding their theories about capitalism. We need action to stimulate demand: Tax reductions, public works, whatever. Action to build and create things, which creates wealth."

nomas24 said, "Earth to Obama: You don't create jobs; businesses do." EastCoastCat replied, "Businesses aren't, though. They are raking in record profits and paying record bonuses. They are trampling on workers because ... well, there are no other jobs. If you leave it to businesses, then you condemn America to its continued slide into a Third World country."

robesan asked, "If we need so many jobs, why did we send 9 million of them overseas in the last 10 years? Guess what people? The jobs are not coming back. It has nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans or anything but corporate greed. We are a corporate state. Get used to it - right until we hit the bottom - and hit the bottom we will."

Another foot found in Canadian waters

Canadian floating feet mystery deepens

Give CNN.com readers a foot and they take a mile. Canadian authorities have found the 11th severed human foot in four years in British Columbia waterways. The foot was in a running shoe. Foul play is not suspected. billybob22 said, "I got sick of all the politicizing. Time to have a good laugh. Of course, I wouldn't want to step on anyone's feet. Perhaps whoever it belonged to just got off on the wrong foot." StevePrizzel said, "Probably just rolled down in from the foot hills. ..."

Joejava said, "The game is afoot, my dear Watson!" personalpod said, "Someone is going to pay an arm and a leg for this crime, I can tell you." whitespatula said, "And the perpetrators have a leg up over local authorities." Joejava said, "If evidence warrants, Vancouver police will go toe to toe with this criminal."

Factors59 said, "Yeah, but who's footing the bill for this ongoing investigation?" mightyfudge said, "Canadian officials will probably just toe the line on this one. Those lousy heels. ..." DGilmore said, "Seems they can only take one step at a time."

tevePrizzel said, "There may be more? Send out the foot patrol." JeramieH3 said, "I appreciate the work the investigators are doing. Let's all give them a hand."

Blammie said, "They find a severed foot and say 'foul play is not suspected'?" gremlinus replied, "People fall off boats. Fall over cliffs. Accidents happen to people. Six in four years is not a lot, especially considering the location. If it were six in six months I might be a little more suspicious.

gremlinus said, "It could happen postmortem something like this: Fish (or other marine creature): 'Oooooh look! food!' nibble, nibble, nibble. Bite." Albie621 said, "This is actually a relatively common occurrence. What happened to the deceased can only be speculated on, but they might have just drowned. Over time the body begins to decompose and sea life eats it. Once the foot breaks free it floats to the surface because shoes float. I've seen this explanation on some mystery-solving show on either Discovery or History Channel."

Fatbat said, "They've identified four feet from three persons already and concluded that they weren't murdered. The other feet could have come from as far away as Japan or Hawaii carried to the West Coast by the ocean's currents."

personalpod said, "I get cold feet just thinking about this."

Joejava added, "As an added footnote to this story ..." personalpod said, "This week only, half off pedicures in and around False Creek area. ... and if several non-matched white and gray socks show up, size 10, I have a Kenmore dryer that may be the key to teleportation."

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Compiled by the CNN.com moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.

soundoff (65 Responses)
  1. 2cents4free

    chapkom asked, "How in the nine hells is a reasonable request to accommodate security procedures 'a political showdown'? Seriously. Boehner made a request and Obama said 'OK.' How is that a showdown? The media need to grow up."

    And because the media asked that stupid question we all come in here clucking about this nonsense.

    September 2, 2011 at 11:40 am | Report abuse |
  2. Boomer in Mo

    The President is too afraid of being labeled an angry Black man. He needs to get angry. Boehner knows the President won't insist and got away with his schoolyard bully tactics. Obama should have said I'm coming to give the speech and done it. So what if the Republicans didn't show up? Why in the world it takes Republicans two days to get organized enough to go to work is beyond me. My boss expects me to be organized enough to go to work as soon as a I walk in my office door. But it takes Republicans two days to get to work. Lazy, lazy,lazy...

    September 2, 2011 at 11:52 am | Report abuse |
    • txnan6

      The Congress is only going to be there 2 days before they leave on vacation again. Bohner/Republicans scheduled ore vacation days than at work for 2011.

      September 2, 2011 at 12:07 pm | Report abuse |
  3. txnan6

    Hmmmm, Who was the adult and agreed to moving the date because IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE NATION? Congress was coming back from the latest vacation, would only be there 2 days, and leave on vacation again. The Replicans are saying "No" just like the debt ceiling vote, and any proposals by the administration, and are willing to allow our country to move to the brink of disaster if it benefits their political goals. Adult 1, Brat 0

    September 2, 2011 at 12:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Robert

      Follow prodical = no prob POTUS......otherwise look like the bully u are. Bullies never win!

      September 2, 2011 at 1:41 pm | Report abuse |
  4. MTATL67

    The President can't do it alone. The DNC and Independents need to grow a set and get in Cantors face and tell him to park is butt in that chair. Get in Boehner’s face and tell him he had better show more respect or we'll give him something to cry about. Corner Sen. McConnell tell him to stop making us pay for his petty low self-esteem and get professional help.

    September 2, 2011 at 12:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • kurtinco

      I couldn't have said it better myself.

      September 2, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Tim in Kansas

    President needs to either not be a jerk with from the original Press Conference of his mouthpiece that is what he was being or he needs to learn his job. He was out of line and this never should have gotten this bad. Jay Carney or whatever his name is pretty much picked a fight in public on something the whitehouse was totally wrong on. Obama has done a bad enough job as it is without having such an idiotic staff

    September 2, 2011 at 12:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Robert

      Eactly...

      September 2, 2011 at 1:42 pm | Report abuse |
  6. t55plus

    Where are the jobs?
    You have been pumping your own gas for years. One person collecting the money or you use your credit card.
    You now have self-service checkouts. Less cashiers.
    You do you banking on-line. Less tellers and vice presidents.
    You pay a machine at the parking lot. No parking attendants.
    All groceries are scanned now. Less stock-clerks.
    Highway Tolls are electronic.
    Security cameras replace security guards.
    Internet Sales.
    Go ahead keep naming them.......

    Welcome to the 21st century.

    September 2, 2011 at 12:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • txnan6

      t55plus- You are so right, but so many people would rather be ignorant to support their uninformed ideas. If people want to know the truth (?), they can go online and look at the record profits of dozens of big corporations. Richard Fisher (Dallas Federal Reserve) says businesses and banks have lots of cash, but are holding on to it. If the Rep had our best interest, they would immediately pass legislation linking business credits/closing loopholes so that they only apply to investment/jobs in the US. If I had an extra dollar, I'd bet it won't happen.

      September 2, 2011 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • kurtinco

      Yeah, but who is building those self-serve checkout machines and ATMs and parking meters and toll readers and security cameras? Rest assured, the majority of the time it will be a ton of Chinese people, that’s who. Why? To maximize some corporate profits pure and simple. Greed and more greed. And that’s the freaking problem.

      September 2, 2011 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
  7. t55plus

    Lowering of labor cost (less employees) is not translating into lower cost. It is being taking in higher profits. That's why large businesses are sitting on huge amounts of cash.

    September 2, 2011 at 12:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • enodot

      Well said T%%, I know many people for example who will tell you Rick Perry has created jobs but they are all low wage with no benefits kinda like the commies when they put a broom in the hand of thier citizens and said, see they're working.
      the the hipocrites whine when the President takes vacation? What have Presidents done in the past, hhmmm let's see:
      George W. Bush's vacation time (grand total)
      487 days at Camp David
      490 days at Crawford Ranch
      43 days at Kennebunkport Compound

      Total: 1020 days, more than 1/3rd of his presidency. Bush set the record for most vacation time taken by president.

      Carter took 79 days in 4 years.
      Clinton took 152 days in 8 years.

      Reagan took 335 days in 8 years.
      Bush Sr. took 543 days in 4 years!

      So much for the mythological Republican hard worth ethic.

      I posted this cuz Michellle Bachman said the Lord told her I should 🙂

      September 2, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jantzi Greene

      I decided I wanted to be informed, so I went to sba.gov (notice that "gov"; means it's a government agency's website) and I foundj this:

      Small firms:
      •
      Represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms.

      •
      Employ just over half of all private sector employees.

      •
      Pay 44 percent of total U.S. private payroll.

      •
      Have generated 64 percent of net new jobs over the past 15 years.

      •
      Create more than half of the nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP).

      •
      Hire 40 percent of high tech workers (such as scientists, engineers, and computer programmers).

      •
      Are 52 percent home-based and 2 percent franchises.

      •
      Made up 97.3 percent of all identified exporters and produced 30.2 percent of the known export value in FY 2007.

      •
      Produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms; these patents are twice as likely as large firm patents to be among the one percent most cited.

      Sources (see the Office of Advocacy's Research and Statistics page):
      • U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Bureau of the Census and International Trade Admin.
      • Advocacy-funded research by Kathryn Kobe, 2007
      • CHI Research, 2003
      • U.S. Dept. of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics

      We haven't been wailing away on big corporations, all right - we've been wailing away on these small guys,whom, I assure you, are not sitting on money!

      September 3, 2011 at 12:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jantzi Greene

      I decided I wanted to be informed, so I went to sba.gov (notice that "gov"; means it's a government agency's website) and I found this:

      Small firms:
      •
      Represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms.

      •
      Employ just over half of all private sector employees.

      •
      Pay 44 percent of total U.S. private payroll.

      •
      Have generated 64 percent of net new jobs over the past 15 years.

      •
      Create more than half of the nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP).

      •
      Hire 40 percent of high tech workers (such as scientists, engineers, and computer programmers).

      •
      Are 52 percent home-based and 2 percent franchises.

      •
      Made up 97.3 percent of all identified exporters and produced 30.2 percent of the known export value in FY 2007.

      •
      Produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms; these patents are twice as likely as large firm patents to be among the one percent most cited.

      Sources (see the Office of Advocacy's Research and Statistics page):
      • U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Bureau of the Census and International Trade Admin.
      • Advocacy-funded research by Kathryn Kobe, 2007
      • CHI Research, 2003
      • U.S. Dept. of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics

      We haven't been wailing away on big corporations, all right - we've been wailing away on these small guys,whom, I assure you, are not sitting on money!

      September 3, 2011 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
  8. McShannon

    A leader that understands give and take, a willingness to negotiate and understands that being rigid and inflexible is not good for the USA is who President Obama is. I like that quality and wish that it was reciprocal from the GOP corridor also.

    September 2, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Report abuse |
  9. saywhat

    @ cezar

    Yes. And I would add a "foreign lobby" to your comments.
    Know where our useless for Americans law makers are heading on their "well deserved" vacation, 82 of them??

    On an all paid junket to Israel.

    Well to them all is kosher, hunky dory with America & Americans – no problems.

    September 2, 2011 at 2:33 pm | Report abuse |
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