Overheard on CNN.com: Skepticism for Obama’s job progam
President Obama will deliver his job plan to a joint session of Congress Thursday.
September 7th, 2011
04:35 PM ET

Overheard on CNN.com: Skepticism for Obama’s job progam

Comments of the day:

“So Plan B is the failed Plan A? Awesome.” - Expresss

“The president could be announcing the cure for cancer and the GOP would vote against it.” - bloodawg

Obama’s 300 billion plan

President Obama is set to unveil a $300 billion jobs program in his Thursday speech to Congress that will focus on new infrastructure spending and targeted tax cuts. The president is also expected to renew his push for stalled trade deals with Panama, Colombia, and South Korea, but GOP critics say the plan represents a continuation of what they consider to be failed policies.

CNN.com readers were obviously divided about President Obama’s program. Many said it’s just more rhetoric, while others said the president still isn’t being given a chance.

akjonny665 said, “This is like a band-aid for a shotgun wound, they don't even look at other solutions. Importing too many goods, exporting our jobs. NAFTA should have been scrapped, [for example].”

mikemc1970 said, “What exactly can he do with $300 billion now, that he couldn't do with $800 billion last go around?”

BinaryTruth responded, “’What exactly can he do?’ If corporate America is incapable, unpatriotic enough, and entirely unwilling to hire American workers – then props to Obama for actually caring enough to do so.”

Ramsglen said, “How dumb is the guy. He knows the American people are not going to let him BLOW another 300 Billion. He has a track record of just letting it disappear. Obama Must Go."

sharky66 said, “Oh don't worry, if Congress does not agree to this, and most likely they will not, Obama will just issue yet another Executive order, go around Congress, and put everything into play.”

CB5 said, “Wow, $300 billion MORE to his Big Labor Union Supporters to bribe them into getting out and start campaigning for him... Republicans are fools if they go along with this at all! It is nothing but more favors being handed out to his buddies at our expense, AGAIN! Vote Obama out in 2012!”

Guest said, “Hey, just so you know the 300 billion he plans on enacting 170 billion in tax cuts like the payroll tax cuts, tax cuts for those who hire the unemployed. If it came out of a Republican’s mouth you would be clapping.”

mcdiarcr said, “Regardless of the party making the statement – over spending has cost us jobs and is now threatening our ability to compete globally with a poorer rating than other countries. Do you honestly believe spending more money has ever helped anyone get our of debt? "

JustTruth1 responded, “'..over spending has cost us jobs and is now threatening our ability to compete globally..' True – those two unfunded Bush wars and his unfunded prescription plan, not to mention the decade+ of forgone income from his tax breaks or the expenses associated with his economic crash, cost this country almost half of what you see sitting there in our big deficit pool.”

JRoth420 said, “Sometimes spending DOES help you get out of debt. If you own a business, and take a loan so that you can invest more money in your business (even though you are already in debt) and it helps turn your business profitable... Well that is debt and spending that helps you get out of debt. That's the whole point here... JUMP STARTING the economy again. Do I think the government should be doing it? No. But the vaunted "private sector" sure doesn't seem to be doing a darn thing to help at this point. So what's the plan? Just wait longer?”

COULROPHILE said, "’I still believe both parties can work together to solve our problems.’ Really? Oh Obama, you put too much faith in the Republicans. Besides, infrastructure is intended to serve everybody, not just the wealthy, and we know that the Republicans don't care for the majority of the populace."

Romney lays out his own plan

Two days before President Obama will present his job program to a joint session of Congress, GOP Presidential candidate Mitt Romney presented his own plan and says Obama "doesn't have a clue" about what to do for the economy. He says his plan will create more than 11 million jobs.
Most CNN.com readers weren’t inspired by Romney’s plan.

KDM said, “Why does anyone need a jobs plan? I thought those big tax cuts for the rich created all the jobs."

einna responded, “KDM, good point. The big tax cuts for the rich created big bonuses for the rich from their record profits.”

sameeker said, “HEY REPUGS! How long will it take you to figure out that trickle down does not work? The rest of the world has a 25% corporate tax rate; however, corporation there pay all of that 25%. Over here, they use loopholes and pay nothing, while getting all sorts of subsidies and corporate welfare.”

Publius13 said, “Romney's ‘plan’ is no different from any of the other GOP ‘plans.’ 1) kill healthcare; 2) reduce taxes (further); 3) reduce regulations; 4) increase domestic energy production; and 5) repeal Sarbanes-Oxley and Dodd-Frank. He adds a sixth point, which essentially is ‘rename everything after Reagan.’ None of these things will create jobs, because all are intended to stimulate supply. The problem is a lack of demand, not a lack of supply fellas. You can keep pushing that wet noodle of tax reduction until it goes to zero, but it ain't gonna make any new jobs. Meanwhile, the proposals to reduce regulation and repeal S-O and D-F will only free up the Wall Streeters to pay themselves more ill-gotten money drive the economy back into the ditch.”

camty said, “Anyone notice how none of the GOP candidates mentioned anything about jobs or a jobs plan until Obama announced he was going to outline his jobs proposal? Now, they are all against Obama's plan (not yet announced) and have plans of their own."

mistawest responded, “Romney has had his jobs plan scheduled for a while now and unlike OBAMA's, it's an ACTUAL plan!"

tmcsr69 said, “If you would bother to listen to the candidates, you would hear plenty of ideas.”

CrunkSwaggaG said, “The words ‘Romney’ and ‘Jobs’ should not be used in the same sentence. Massachusetts ranked 47th in the nation in job growth during his tenure and his ‘private sector experience’ involved killing American jobs, shipping them overseas, & stuffing his own pockets. His lousy record speaks for itself.”

mooseman316 said, “Why do the Republicans scream for a jobs plan from the President and Congress, but continually state that the government cannot create jobs. Is this the age of DoubleSpeak?”

bzscorpio said, “It's so funny that Republicans are pushing so hard for deregulation. We tried that during the Bush Administration and it, more than anything else, is the biggest reason our economy is in the mess it's in now. When you tell people with money that they can do whatever they want to acquire more of it, it typically doesn't bode well for the people who don't have money (i.e.-the middle class). “

Cheney says no mistakes

When Wolf Blitzer sat down with Former Vice President Dick Cheney he asked him if he had any regrets and Cheney said he had none. According to Blitzer he was “vintage Cheney.”

If CNN.com readers’ comments are any indication, Americans are not remembering the vice president well—putting it mildly.

John said, “Dick Cheney is a pure jack-ass. I worked for 15 years as an exec close to him before he was vice-pres and I'm here to tell you that the day it was determined he would actually assume that office, a good deal of people in the same arena with me all broke out in a sweat. If you had been exposed to what we had witnessed over the years, you'd have felt faint as well.

You had better believe that he played a major role in the deception to start the ball rolling in Iraq and although we have no proof, we also feel certain that he had his hands deep into the derivatives scandal that nearly broke the back of this country's financial stability. Both events bear the telltale mark of this man's well-recognized strategy and principles. I'll end by saying that the timing specific to the end of his term in office was a blessing in more ways than can be imagined by the American people.”

Justice said, “Generations to come will have a hard time believing that such a monster ever existed in flesh.”

Caïro said, “Of course he has no regrets. We have.”

But there were a few Cheney defenders.

Trey said, “I used to think they (W and Cheney) needed to be brought up on war criminal charges. That was until I read a book titled "Courting Disaster" by Mark Thiessen (sp?). I went in with an open mind and am convinced that what they did was right for the country now. Please get informed before you spout such hate-filled speech.”

Denis Egan said, “I found Cheney's long career admirable. I consider him to be clear, consistent and refreshingly frank and unpolitical. If anyone wishes to defame him, he answers them simply without any display of the hateful contempt which flows so easily in today's world.”

But Tim responded, “’I found Cheney's long career admirable. I consider him to be clear, consistent and refreshingly frank and unpolitical.’ Yeah, like that time he outed a CIA agent exposing her undercover operations and contacts in retaliation for her husband not upholding his lies used to get us into the war in Iraq..... he was clear, consistent, refreshingly frank, and most of all completely ‘unpolitical.’"

Jimjim said, “You really haven't been paying attention to his career. Cheney has been the consummate politician dating back to his days working as part of Nixon's criminal administration. The anti-Cheney hate you deride is the natural consequence of examining a life of a man who holds democracy in contempt and the rule of law as antiquated. He is known as vindictive, dishonest and corrupt for a reason – because that is the legacy his acts support.”

Do you feel your views align with these commenters' thoughts? Post a comment below or sound off on video.

Compiled by the CNN.com moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.

soundoff (82 Responses)
  1. Joey Isotta-Fraschini

    TYPO:
    "...day."

    September 8, 2011 at 6:17 am | Report abuse |
  2. Beefburger

    Baby Bush was never even a real player, it was Daddy Bush, Cheney, Kissinger, and a WHOLE LOT of back room antics with other lesser known power players that the public will never be privy to. Monsters or heroes, who knows?

    September 8, 2011 at 7:54 am | Report abuse |
  3. Beefburger

    Okay, jobs, hmmm. Obama runs on a jobs program platform, that flops, the Tea Party runs on "jobs jobs jobs" (looking at watch, looking down both sides of the street) hmmmm, nada. Now a new jobs program being announced that sounds very similar to the Republican plan of spending it away, but they accuse Obama of being a spender when thier plans were the same.

    They both walk like ducks, they both quack like ducks, are there any differences in the parties?

    September 8, 2011 at 7:59 am | Report abuse |
  4. the prophet

    Politics is a process used by Governments, to formulate tactics to apply policies, to either acquire or stay in power and control. The behavior of e society under this system is more predictable, which we call democratic. The election process part of a-democracy uses the people votes to elect the Government, at the sane time let Government know of people state of mind, thence allowing the Government to make adjustments so that the Government remains in power. If you are not happy with your Government don't go out and vote for it, without an elected Government!! the Government has no power, on your next election don't vote. Take America back to the people. Buy my book when I finish it.    

    September 8, 2011 at 8:32 am | Report abuse |
  5. TosTb

    After reading all these posts i can only think of one thing......America is Doomed , in the coming years we will have no money , no jobs , all due to our so called leaders affraid to lose a little money to help the economy. simply put America is knotted in to many affairs around the world and theres no way out of it. we are going to bite the bullet and its going to suck!

    September 8, 2011 at 8:42 am | Report abuse |
  6. Joey Isotta-Fraschini

    @ Beefburger:
    Difference in parties? No.
    Liars on all sides. It was not always so.
    Each person needs to vote in his own best interest, and he will anyway.
    Everybody should know Robert Ringer's books on business.

    September 8, 2011 at 8:52 am | Report abuse |
  7. Joey Isotta-Fraschini

    @ TosTb:
    It's not our leaders.
    It's the People that they lead.
    However, I would agree with your statement, "America is Doomed."
    Unless our citizens change.
    It's not getting better. It's getting worse.

    September 8, 2011 at 8:57 am | Report abuse |
  8. the prophet

    70 percent of Americans opposed the mosque plan while just 29 percent approved. A number of Democratic politicians have shied away from the controversy. Opponents, including some Sept. 11 victims' relatives, see the prospect of a mosque so near the destroyed trade center as an insult to the memory of those killed by Islamic terrorists in the 2001 attacks.

    September 8, 2011 at 9:53 am | Report abuse |
  9. banasy©

    Corporate greed sucks.

    Off to the library.
    It's shifting children's lit day.

    September 8, 2011 at 11:03 am | Report abuse |
  10. ruth

    I WILL NOT LESSON TO OBAMA. I DO NOT BELIEVE A WORD HE SAYS. THE ONLY THING I SEE COMING FROM HIM IS LIES AND MORE LIES. YOU CAN NOT RUN A COUNTRY ON LIES. HE DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPABLILITY TO RUN A COUNTRY

    September 8, 2011 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
  11. wOT

    To the Congress of the USA,
    Please, work with the President of our nation for the sake of our country!
    Then and only then will things change for the good, better, or best!
    Let not your hearts be harded to the leader, please consider the welfare of the people!
    You (congress) will be judged by a higer power for your indignations!

    September 8, 2011 at 2:07 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Heather Herring

    Of course I'm going to watch the President this eveining. If I callled MY bass and said, "You picked a bad time for me to meet with you; then turned around and didn't show up for our new appointment, I wouldn't have to worry about the next meeting....I would be done. Fired. Congress is the one that needs firing. They are a bunch of egotistical maniacs, who hear nothing about the plight of the American people. They were voted in to work with the other leaders NOW...not when it suits them and their mania. Get real, folks. Everyone is hurting but the rich cats that feed you all. President Obama will be remembered as the President for the People....and the Congress will be remembered as the Congress who couldn't cooperate, much less get anything done. You guys suck. I want my grandchildren to know more men like President Obama...and less men/women like you all. You make me sick to my stomach! My husbanc is a Vietnam Vet, who needs help, my children are both working full time and can barely make it, thanks to your favoring the rich for taxes. Why don't you just go a a flat tax....something that has worked for churches for years/decades. Each pays the same percentage. Can you at least consider some opinion other than your own. My father was a stauch Republican, but he would be so ashamed of all of you for discing the President. The most powerful man in the WORLD doesn't deserve the respect of his constutuents? Where did you grow up....certainly, not in any American town I know about.
    Heaher H.-Farmington,Mn.

    September 8, 2011 at 2:55 pm | Report abuse |
  13. SicknTired

    I have something to say.
    I have been watching these debates over the progress of President Obama’s administration and there is one issue that seems to be overlooked. It took the Republicans along with the Democrats to set this country back these last 13 years‼‼! Do we really expect to overturn the damaged caused by outright greed and Wall St./Big Corps control of our government to happen overnight???? As far as jobs...they have been outsourced to third world countries. The President is trying to achieve the impossible, especially when those in partnership with him are dead set against changing the status quo. The rich do not want reform, they do not want control and oversight....,but they want to use the taxpayers’ monies to get richer. Tax cuts for the rich do not help this country grow. Cuts only in Medicaid and Social Security and not raising revenue are like shoot ourselves in the foot. Why is it ok to receive help from the government to subsidize big corporations and big businesses and not expect them to pay the taxes that are due????? What is that? The idealogies of both parties are seriously flawed. It is criminal the way lives are being destroyed as a result. This county is in trouble and it is going to take firm and decisive actions to get it back on track again. Enough is enough.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Report abuse |
  14. L Brennan

    The first thing Mr. Obama needs to do is to highlight the analogy between the Bush Tax cuts and the jobs they were suppose to create. Over 10 years, we have not seen jobs created from this historic shift of wealth. Trickle down does not wok. The stimulus created jobs, but on a false foundation: it was a temporary jolt after the Wall Street bums burned the town. What makes me sicker than sick it to watch the republicans do everything they can to bring this presidency down. And why? Well, that is a question between them and thier conscience. However, all being said, what we end up with is the rabid GOP tea party with a Koch brother puppetier, and Mr. Obama loosing his base, at least in terms of enthusiasim for his inability to stand firm against the GOP and the wealthy. Look, if GE paid no taxes last year...what does this mean? If big oil gets subsides, and school lunch programs do not, what does this mean? If the Bush tax cuts were inacted to "create jobs" and they have not, what does this mean? Especially in the light of our ruined infra-structure, schools, health care, etc. It means that the USA has been hijacked by the wealthy and the powerful; and to their glee, and with the help of the tea party, which is a horrible bunch of ignorant, hate-filled people, they have been able to make this President, with the help of his own compiance, ineffectual and inconsequential. Mr. Obama has ended up in one of the most interesting, if it were not so critical, historically political places a president has ever resided: Made into enemy and then made irrelevant by the right; and then having lost his base by means of his diplomatic intelligence, his lack of leadership, he has lost support on the left. As it is now, he is in NO MAN'S LAND. Tonight he needs to pull out the plugs and go full throttle; he needs to take off the gloves. Last Chance or else we all will suffer the last death throes of the ruination of this country due to the Right and the Rich and Powerful. The chasm between the rich and the poor has widened so much over the last 13 years. This also speaks to the need to end the Bush tax cuts. We do not have any chances left to do what needs to be done. Obama 2012

    September 8, 2011 at 5:14 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Moe

    Senator Paul Trible (Virginia) writes, in the forward to: How to Start, Finance and Operate Your Own Business,
    “Do you want to start your own business?
    Then you need the information this book can provide. As someone who participates daily in the representative process which is the hallmark of our national government, I am keenly aware of the limits to what government can do. While we can in some cases encourage, and in other cases provide information, and in certain limited cases direct action, we cannot create.
    Only you can do that. I fervently hope you do. We all know that it is so-called “small businesses” which create jobs, which provide services, which strengthen communities, which are a critical element of the mysterious condition called “prosperity.”
    Yet I think we need to go a step beyond the phrase “small business” and think in terms of a particular type of small business – what I would call “infant Business.” The moment an idea moves from a dream stage in your mind to the planning stage, then I think you are an infant business. Now the challenge is to bring you forth into a productive small business.
    James Silvester gives you the tools to help move you from being an infant business to a small business .” …………………………………………….…………….

    September 8, 2011 at 6:35 pm | Report abuse |
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