Arctic ice levels hit historic low, researchers say
Melting ice is visible near Greenland's Ilulissat glacier, one of the areas seeing the effects of global warming in the Arctic.
September 12th, 2011
11:07 AM ET

Arctic ice levels hit historic low, researchers say

The amount of Arctic sea ice has melted to a historic low, with the area of land covered by ice at the smallest level since scientists began observing it with satellites in 1972, researchers from the University of Bremen in Germany report.

The North Pole skull cap shrank to about half a percent under the previous record low set in September 2007, according to the school's Institute of Environmental Physics.

Researchers, including those from the National Snow and Ice Data Center, had predicted earlier this summer that Arctic sea ice levels could reach extreme lows. But the University of Bremen physicists said there was uncertainty in July about whether the ice melt would surpass the previous record.

They said their studies indicated that continuing ice decline was related to man-made global warming.

"It seems to be clear that this is a further consequence of the man-made global warming with global consequences," researchers said in their report.  "Directly, the livehood of small animals, algae, fishes and mammals like polar bears and seals is more and more reduced."

Read the report (PDF)

As Arctic sea ice has continued to decline, it also has become drastically thinner overall, the report said.

The researchers said that previously the melting ice had been attributed to yearly weather anomalies. But now it is believed the massive melt is due in part to global warming and the increasing albedo effect, which has to do with the power of the surface to reflect sun. As more ice melts, instead of having white ice reflect more of the sun's rays, you have a larger amount of open water that absorbs those same rays. Therefore, warmer temperatures lead to even more ice melting.

The National Snow and Ice Data Center did not have updated data to confirm the German report but said it expected the historic low to be hit based on the past few weeks' data.  Its site is only up to date to September 6. The historic levels were reached two days later. The center said it would "make a preliminary announcement when ice extent has stopped declining and has increased for several days in a row" and said it would release monthly data for September early next month.

The large-scale thaw is cause for concern, according to Shaye Wolf, climate science director of the Center for Biological Diversity’s Climate Law Institute.

“This stunning loss of Arctic sea ice is yet another wake-up call that climate change is here now and is having devastating effects around the world,” Wolf said in a statement.

The receding ice is also opening up a war for oil resources.

The Climate Law Institute noted the record followed news that this summer was the second-hottest since 1895.

In 2009, studies began suggesting the Arctic Ocean could be "largely ice free" during summer within a decade.

One of those reports, complied by the UK-based Catlin Arctic Survey and the World Wildlife Fund, showed that researchers predicted that within 20 years ice cover will be completely gone during the warmer months.

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  1. gung hoe

    The polar ice caps havent always been where theyre at same with our continents darn

    September 12, 2011 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Norm.

      THE SKY IS FALLING....THE SKY IS FALLING.....!

      September 12, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Nimnim

    Why do people (Republicans–supposedly intelligent) deny so strongly that global worming is man-made. and Tom, be real, Why would 'liberals' dance in the street with their dryers going–what do we have to gain from the Artic Ice melting. This kind of childish denial will end the earth as we know it. It will perhaps be OK during your lifetime, but we are destroying your children's earth

    September 12, 2011 at 1:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Herbie the Dentist

      Why are you so sure there is global warming. In reality if temperatures where getting warmer than more water vapor would produce more clouds, which reflect the suns energies and limits the amount of sun light that reaches the earths surface. Think of what happens during a Nuclear winter. Lots of cloud cover, cold temperatures. Also please explain why our recent winters have been so extremely cold if the planet is warming up. The earth goes thought cycles, and we are just in a cycle where the summers are very warm and the winters are very cold.

      September 12, 2011 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • r0n77

      Herbie, I have no idea if this is due to global warming or not, I am on the fence about it, but it is a common misconception that global warming in general means that you shouldn't have cold weather. It doesn't mean that in every town, every day or even every season is warmer than it was last year. We are talking about fractions of a degree on a global average. But it is significant in our recorded history and could theoretically change weather patterns. Some could easily point to some of the weather disasters of the past couple years and wonder if it is just the beginning of a global change in weather patterns. It may mean colder winters in some areas, but much hotter summers in others.

      September 12, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • bob

      people deny the idea that global warming is man made largely for two reasons. one – it's plausible that climate change might be part of a larger overall cycle that we have no influence on. two – as a polarized response to people like you. you talk about 'destroying' the world. it is even more naive to think that man kind can destroy the world, than it is to sit with one's head in the sand and assume that nothing we do will have any effect on the environment around us. man can, will, and HAS changed the environment we live in. but we wont DESTROY the earth. thats not within our power. not yet any way.

      September 12, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • JayGee

      Herbie,

      I am totally fine with you not believing in global warming. I'm skeptical myself. But please, educate yourself on what it actually is, because your post shows that you don't understand the concept. I'll explain it to you.

      Global warming does NOT just mean there's an overall increase in temperatures. It means that the earth loses its ability to insulate itself. This means that warmer months become warmer and colder months become colder. Compare it to insulation in a house – it helps you stay cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter than a house without insulation does.

      That is why the article clearly says there will be no more ice in warmer months. There would still continue to be ice in colder months. Your words that winters have become recently more cold and summers have become more hot is perfect (though anecdotal) proof that global warming DOES exist.

      Read up on global warming and don't assume that it just means the Earth is getting hotter. There is way more to the scientific phenomenon and many people share the same idea that you do – that global warming simply refers to increasing Earth temperatures. It's not like that. Forming strong opinions on something you don't know much about could have dire consequences for our children and grandchildren. Once you do become educated on it, though, I will respect your opinion no matter what that is. I just don't want to see somone make a choice based on misinformation.

      September 12, 2011 at 1:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Planet Earth - Nice real estate, good location, fixer upper

      He hates "liberals"
      so all democrats must be liars.
      Typical of most republicans.....
      they are right
      you are wrong.
      Never question
      follow blindly.

      September 12, 2011 at 3:48 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Mike D

    everyone knows there is no such thing as "global warming", just like everynoe knows that paul revere actually rode to warn the british. please ... the comments on here are simply idiotic. grow up people

    September 12, 2011 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike isREtareded

      you have no idea what your talking about get off this site

      September 12, 2011 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Norm.

      I don't think the moron that told you to get off the site, got your sarcastic (but very accurate) Sarah Palin reference.
      But then....they probably send her money on a regular basis.

      September 12, 2011 at 1:48 pm | Report abuse |
  4. mortalc01l

    When over 98% of all climate Scientists in the World; PhD's, the best educated people in this particular science agree on the fact that the climate is changing and it is partially due to Mans pollution, then those of you that are decrying their massively educated opinion are full of nothing but hot air (no pun intended).

    The idiots posting their uninformed, uneducated, unsubstantiated drivel are fooling no-one. You have ZERO actual knowledge of this subject; all you are doing is parroting the right wing conspiratorial clap-trap and regurgitating what your Corporate masters' propaganda. Not a single ONE of you has any first-hand knowledge of the subject and therefore your (and my) opinions are beyond worthless... Let's leave the heavy thinking on this to people who know what the hell they are talking about; namely the freaking experts!

    To recap for those of you with a sub 90 IQ. Educated PhD's with 30 years of actual work experience in this arena, as well as massive amounts of data tell you something and you choose to ignore it based on your idiotic adherence to some political "opinion".

    If 98% of all neurosurgeons told you you had a brain tumor and it had to be removed or you would die. I'm pretty sure you would listen. If 98% of structural engineers told you the building you work in was about to fall down, I'm damn sure you wouldn't go in the building!

    But, I forget that the rabid right-wingers don't "believe" in math or physics or chemistry.... All of those are treated as if they are unproven theories; as if somehow 2+2 isn't REALLY 4, but is up for debate as somehow being a floating number between 3 and 12.

    Scientists gave us the power of flight, computers, the steam engine which began the Industrial Revolution, the ability to put a Man on the Moon; but for those that have a far right political agenda, their absurd blindness allows them to instantly dismiss science, fact and logic if it interferes with their adherence to the religion of Conservatism.

    Face it; on a scale of 1 – 100, the people who have studied this for 30+ years are at 98 and the rest of us who are not PhD's in the subject are at 2.

    September 12, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Herbie the Dentist

      The problem is there are people like you who believe everything someone tells you instead of doing your own research and coming to an educated conclusion. Instead you'll listen to the theory of a few scientist that do not want to look at any other explanations for the cooling and warming of our planet. It is so much neater and more convenient to blame man for all of your problems.

      September 12, 2011 at 1:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • steve

      Seriously Herbie??? Well let me explain how science works. Everyone can't do their own research and experiments due to lack of resources. Scientists will repeat experiments, and others will do experiments trying to explain a natural event. This data is then published and results are drawn from them. With the data we now have it is clear that global warming is happening, I don't need to drill for ice cores and measure satellite images myself to read what scientists have written.
      Also some scientists have proposed alternate theories, but these have been dismissed due to fallacy. EX: One popular theory claims that the earth can't be warming because it is a closed system where energy can't be created or destroyed. This theory is clearly wrong as the earth is not a closed system as energy from the sun enters the earth.

      September 12, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • me

      You are absolutely right. "Scientists gave us the power of flight, computers, the steam engine which began the Industrial Revolution, the ability to put a Man on the Moon" All of which, plus may other inventions that use the energy that is blamed for "man-made global warming". I say get rid of scientist all together. I don't think it is a right wing conspiracy it is a conspiracy of all the smart scientists! 😉

      September 12, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • 98% of scientists?

      @mortalc01l – the survey to which you refer was answered by a grand total of 77 scientists, hardly a statistical sample. The two questions were (1) When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant? and (2) Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?

      Well, DUH, what a nice useless survey. It doesn't take 30 years of research to answer this. It takes 30 seconds. (1) In the mid 1800s, we were in the midst of a min-ice age...look it up. Europe had its coldest temps. since the real ice age that ended 10k years ago. (2) As far as a significant factor, note it doesn't ask whether it's the primary factor or even how significant. Answering no means you are saying "insignificant." Well, who would answer No then? Deforestation alone will cause warming, never mind emissions.

      Typical media-driven surveys are designed to prove a point for one side of the argument. Fact is, we have 200 years of climate data at best. The earth was a whole lot warmer 65 million years ago, and earlier. As the dinosaurs. Archeological evidence proves that we have been through colling and warming periods, and that this current "warming" is nothing compared to what it was.

      What this all means is that we are in a warm CYCLE, which is not the same thing as suggesting we are somehow causing permanent and irreversible change, as most global warming fanatics want you to believe.

      September 12, 2011 at 1:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • hyperboleman

      I'm guessing you either didn't read that paragraph Herbie, or are just being contentious. Yes, the earth does go through cycles of warming and cooling, but it just doesn't usually happen as fast as it's happening right now. You are going to run into adaption problems for animals, and if they are keystone species, possible mass extinctions, chain reactions that could affect our food supplies. If Tokyo can suffocate itself through sheer numbers of cars, it's not that much of a stretch to see that it's possible to change the makeup of a finite pocket of atmosphere with the same over a period of years. It's probable that we are causing it. What's wrong with erring on the side of caution? Pollution prevention in general should be a priority, otherwise, we will eventually just kill ourselves.

      September 12, 2011 at 2:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • mortalc01l

      @98% of all scientists: There you go; you have just proven my point even more effectively. You are a layman who has made numerous assumptions from my post, all of which are wrong; you also have failed to answer ANY of my points.

      Do you personally have access to all the climate data that the researches have? I guarantee the answer is no.
      Do you have 10 years plus of climate research under your belt and a PhD in that field? Hmmmm.. I will answer that one for you; NO!
      Do you understand Science or anything to do with how to postulate, test and prove a theorem based on scientific data and peer reviewed fact? If you DID, you would have a far more thorough understanding of what on earth you are talking about; as it stands, you are talking about things you know less than nothing about.

      Based on a few minutes of poking around the Internet, you think you know more than thousands of people who have taken the time and have the background to do the research and the hard work to produce information? If you truly think you know more than them then you are a delusional little man with an even smaller intellect.

      September 12, 2011 at 2:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • humanbean

      So Herbie, I got some heart research I need to do and was wondering if you knew of any volunteers. I just don't want to take the leading doctors in that field's word for it and need to do my own research. Any ideas on how the common man could get a hold of some hands on knowledge?

      September 12, 2011 at 2:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • OU812IC

      Hey Hebie stick to yanking teeth
      Because it is not a few scientists it is 98% of the worlds scientists who are saying this and pretty much the other 2% who deny this are scientists who work for the oil companies, so they are being paid by the oil companies to deny this information. I think i'll believe the 98% not the 2% being bought off

      September 12, 2011 at 3:12 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Greg

    They have been keeping these records since 1972, But what about 1872, 1772, 1672...ect ect We have no Idea if this is a cycle of Melting ice that has happened before or the cause is man made......there lies the rub neither do these wacko scientist that seem to think there's is a perfect science. Especially when the funds for the research can be traced to biased interests. And whats been projected to fix it...wouldn't change anything in the grand scheme of things, One Volcano can emit as much green house Gas as all of man on this planet combined in just one eruption,

    September 12, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • steve

      More right wing parroting of false data, and complete lies. The annual CO2 emissions for volcanoes is 200 mill tons/yr. Humans generate 24 billion tons/year. Secondly while this article only sites data from satellites since 1972, we have many other records that we can use. From historical records describing arctic levels, to ice core samples and tree rings giving temperature and precipitation information from 100s of thousands of years ago. All the data does point to the fact that humans have contributed to greater increase in temperature that ever before recorded. So while yes the earth's temp. did rise in history, it would take 1000s of years what takes us just a short time. Secondly the earth was able to cool because these increases in temperature caused increased vegetation and decreased CO2 levels. With deforestation we now have no way to combat rising levels of CO2, so there is little we can do to reverse it other than conservation efforts.

      September 12, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • dieseltdi

      Actually, recorded temperature records go back nearly 200 years in some areas and some even longer. Add to that temperature interpretations made from trapped air bubbles in Artic and Antartic ice, and the measurements go back thousands of years. The problem as I see it here is two fold, first here in the US people are simply IGNORANT of science we are absolutely illiterate when it comes to understanding what is going on in the world so we tend to listen to idiots with the loudest voice. Secondly since we don't understand science, we misunderstand the meaning of THEORY. Most who have responded on this list using the word theory mean "guess:". that is not a theory. A theory is an explination based on scientific data and measurements from which you can make predictions of what will happen in the future. It is FACT based not speculation based. BTW yes I am a scientists.

      September 12, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Yep...its getting warmer

      The volcanoes didn't cut down all the trees to prevent the CO2 from being reabsorbed. They didn't did up all the Co@ trapped underground and release it either. These things happen daily, how often do volcanoes erupt- and its only about 10% of the CO2 we produce, just fyi

      September 12, 2011 at 1:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mo

      Actually, your objections are incorrect.
      First the Ice core does not provide any information about what happen over short period of time like betwen 1972 and now because ice is porous and the CO2 trapped in it change in concentration for a while after is has been captured. So all the ice core is giving you is a moving average over about 70 years. So there could have been wide variations over a 50 years period, like what we are observing now in the past and the ice core would not give any sense of it.
      Then the other point, is 1972 is not that far away. We have historical reports that in modern history, the ice was a lot scarcer in the arctic than it is now. That is why Greenland is called Greenland. And polar bear did not become extinct then.

      September 12, 2011 at 1:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • steve

      Actually Mo Greenland was named Greenland by the vikings in an attempt to fool people to move there thus freeing up resources for themselves (it was actually covered in ice). We also have detailed temperature readings dating back to 1895 that show warming is accelerating and the 10 warmest years since then have been after 2000 (the other is 1998).
      Another point is that ice cores do not merely rely on CO2 bubbles in measuring data, they also measure things like isotype concentrations as well. Attempting to dismiss data based on uninformed opinions is not scientific method, these scientists have studied the data and take into account all of these variables you mentioned.

      September 12, 2011 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • hyperboleman

      Can the funds be traced to biased research? I've heard Al Gore stands to make billions offa cap and trade, I'll give you that one, maybe. I've heard that scientists are just saying this stuff so they can get government funding, but that doesn't make sense, it's not like they stand to get rich of of this.. Please give us some examples.
      So, if we're talking about following the money, what about the rapid climate change deniers. Guess who's funding the muddying of the water there? Need a clue? They're just about on every corner, and they're knocking the tops off of the Appalachians. It's no secret how much money and power is coming from there to influence how you think.. Really if you label something a "liberal" cause, some folks will automatically jump aboard.

      September 12, 2011 at 2:56 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Guilty Liar

    I really dont know if Global warning is real, if its made by man or not, but saying that it isnt hard to concieve with all the things we throw in the oceans and burn into our air that some kind of change would occur.

    September 12, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Mateo

    People, the same folks who don't believe humans are contributing to climate change are the same one's who believe in trickle down economics. Go figure.

    September 12, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Norm.

      .......and intelligent design....

      September 12, 2011 at 1:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mo

      And the earth is flat because Mr Gore says so.
      Actually, people who believe in man made global warming and the CO2 non-sense are the same than the one who believe the earth is flat. This was also the scientific consensus at the time and denying it was taken seriously.
      The only argument those ignorant give to explain their theory is that everybody else agrees with them.
      Yet none look at the facts.
      The earth has been been both warmer and colder, with both more CO2 in the air and less CO2 in the air than there is now. Correlation? Well cause and effect also dictate that the cause precede the result and there is a track record of millenium of temperature rising and dipping and CO2 level following. This is basic science that a high school education should have taught them.

      September 12, 2011 at 2:04 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Shorty

    Unfortunately, the headlines for this data always show "historic low" or "lowest ever" while the first paragraph notes "since scientists began observing it with satellites in 1972". While the measurement is useful for many reasons, it is very misleading without further perspective because it is an extremely small data set on a climate change timescale.

    Is the earth's climate changing? Yes...it always has and always will. Does human activity influence climate? Of course it does, along with a great number of natural phenomena. Should we minimize our negative impact? Yes, in a sustainable manner. Can we purposefully change the climate to "normal"? Highly unlikely. We can't even say what is "normal" and we do not have a good track record of manipulating such a complex ecosystem, no matter what our motives: There are always unintended consequences.

    September 12, 2011 at 1:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jon Michael

      Basially what my thoughts are. It is arrogant for anyone to suggest they have all the answers.

      September 12, 2011 at 1:40 pm | Report abuse |
  9. rusty57

    If the ice is melting why are the oceans receding?

    September 12, 2011 at 1:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • dieseltdi

      Their not sealevel is rising every year. Just ask the poor folks who live in the Muldives and along coastlines.

      September 12, 2011 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
  10. thegadfly

    Poor Santa Claus.

    September 12, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Jon Michael

    Is the overall global mean temperature rising? Maybe. This should be a simple question of what has been observed and measured. We have not been measuring for very long, so we have only the first measurement/observation to use as a control. This is hardly a large enough sample size to draw a difinitive conclusion.

    Is the rise in the mean temperature over the last 30 years caused by humans? Again, there is simply not enough data to be able to draw a conclusion one way or another. You would probably need hundreds of years or even thousands of years of data (observed and recorded) to have your answer. The scientific method requires observation, and we simply have only thirty years of data to contrast against 4+ billion years of the earth's existence.

    Therefore, I conclude that one would be mistaken to say that (a) global warming exists and it is caused by humans. That said, one would be equally mistaken to say that (c) global warming does not exist, or that(d) global warming exists but is not caused by humans. We simply do not and cannot have enough information at this time to say one way or another.

    THAT said, we should do what we can to keep our environment clean and vibrant regardless if global warming exists or not. Argue with THAT 🙂

    September 12, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • steve

      We have not been measuring temperature long with thermometers, but the earth has been keeping records of temperature and precipitation that we can measure to determine earth's temperature (ice cores, tree rings, etc.) Using these tools scientists can determine what temperatures were 100's of thousands of years ago. No matter what natural records we use they all point to the fact that global warming accelerated at previously unseen rate around the industrial revolution and continues to rise. Even if we consider earth's natural warming cycles we are accelerating the temperature changes that occur naturally. It does not take a climatologist to understand basic thermodynamics about how green house gases work.
      The problem with global warming isn't just the ice caps melting, its the weather patterns become more extreme as we see greater evaporation and more water in the atmosphere. This then causes more droughts in some areas, and flooding in others. Do you think that the increase in storm intensity in the past decade is coincidence? Or that droughts have become increasingly severe and common? O here is an idea for a fix, lets have a prayer session with governor Perry, and continue to discount global warming as fake science. seriously you're all idiots.

      September 12, 2011 at 1:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jon Michael

      When did I discount global warming. All I said is that we really don't know...and we really don't. The "global warming" that has occurred is admittedly a fraction of a degree. Yes, we can look at ice samples and other such data, but that is hardly precise. Basically we can say, "about" 10,000 years ago there was an ice age, etc. That is hardly the kind of data required to say "The temperature over the last 30 years has risen by 1/2 a degree and that rise is due to man."

      Again, I am not saying that global warming does not exist. I am not even saying that if it does exist that we are not contributing to it. But I am also not saying the contrarty to those things either. WE SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW. I also said said that the answer is irrelevant. We should take care of the Earth the best we can because it is the right thing to do. Have a great day! 🙂

      September 12, 2011 at 2:09 pm | Report abuse |
  12. JD

    Its this a peer reviewed publication or just main stream media propaganda with govt-funded academics attached? Pretty bold hypotheses given that their evidence of satellite data collection only goes back to 1972. In one click I can produce half a dozen peer reviewed, non-political studies that show otherwise. One by NASA. "The planet isn't going anywhere, we are." More crisis marketing. What kind of fear will be for sale tomorrow? The problem is buy the time we do get the truth from most of these grandstanding intellectual idealists it will be time for our planet to shake of the fleas.

    September 12, 2011 at 1:42 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Jenny

    I live in Minnesota. We have 10,000+ lakes here now, that used to be a giant glacier. Will someone please tell me why the Minnesota glacier melted? We didn't drive SUV's back then, or throw trash in the oceans. Only serious answers, please.

    September 12, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • matt

      The climate naturally does change over time. Over a very, very long period of time. My understanding is that it is related mostly to the change in eccentricity of the earth's orbit from more circular to more elliptical. The changes we have been seeing recently are over a very, very short period of time. These recent changes that you and I are able to observe are mostly from the carbon dioxide that we are releasing into the atmosphere. We would never notice the natural changes of warming and cooling global temperatures. We are now very much noticing the additional changes that we are causing.

      September 12, 2011 at 1:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Norm.

      God decided it was time.

      September 12, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Planet Earth - Nice real estate, good location, fixer upper

      God punish you for the Vikings.

      September 12, 2011 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
  14. dj

    Man-made global warming? Let's see Earth, Mars, and even Pluto have been getting warmer over the last 5 years. Man has been causing a warming of our entire solar system? Wow, man must be the most powerful being in all the universe to cause such thing. Do a little research people, man's contribution to climate change is of little to no impact. I can't even believe people are so arrogant to think that we can ever do damage to Earth. She is much bigger than we will ever be and will get rid of us if we were to ever actually cause any significant damage. The Earth has had many warmings, followed by Ice Ages. Does anyone really think we can actually start and/or stop this process? It will happen and it will happen again...and again and again. The only thing that can cause a solar system wide warming is....the.....SUN!

    September 12, 2011 at 1:45 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Hot Salami and Bacon

    2012, Nibiru and the ancient Hopi Prophecy are coming true. Our time is limited my friends. Hiya....howa.......heya....hiya...howa....heya.

    September 12, 2011 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
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