Defense: Jackson caused his own death when Murray was away
September 27th, 2011
05:11 PM ET

Defense: Jackson caused his own death when Murray was away

Editor's note: Opening statements in the trial of Dr. Conrad Murray, charged with involuntary manslaughter in the June 2009 death of pop icon Michael Jackson, were given in a California courtroom on Tuesday. Prosecutors contend that Murray's use of the surgical anesthetic propofol as a sleep aid led to Jackson's death. If convicted of involuntary manslaughter, Murray could spend four years in a California prison and lose his medical license.

Below, you'll find a running account of the opening statements. Also, a full report of the opening statements is available.

[Updated at 5:11 p.m. ET] Here are some final notes about the defense's opening statements, which finished about 20 minutes ago:

"We believe the evidence will tell you this: that Michael Jackson wanted to sleep for 10 hours ... needed to sleep, needed to succeed (at his upcoming concert series), and his doctor would not give him propofol, the drug he needed," defense attorney Ed Chernoff said.

Earlier, Chernoff told the jury that Jackson had taken an extra dose of propofol when Murray left the room where Jackson was trying to sleep. This, along with an overdose of a sedative that Chernoff says Jackson took without Murray's knowledge, killed Jackson instantly, according to Chernoff.

Before Murray left the room, Murray - who Chernoff said was trying to wean Jackson off propofol - administered to Jackson 25 milligrams of the drug, but only after Jackson begged for it after 10 hours of restlessness, Chernoff said. That amount of propofol would have dissipated - and would have had no clinical effects - by the time Murray left, Chernoff said.

"The whole thing is tragic, but the evidence is not going to show that Dr. Murray did it," he said. "Dr. Murray is an imperfect man, but in this criminal court we believe he is not guilty."

"We will ask you to acquit him," Chernoff added.

[Updated at 4:52 p.m. ET] The defense has finished its opening statements.

[Updated at 4:50 p.m. ET] The defense's opening statements have resumed following a lunch break.

Defense attorney Ed Chernoff said that the 25 milligrams of propofol that he said Murray gave Jackson on the day of his death would have dissipated within 10 minutes, and that should have happened by the time Murray left the room.

Science will prove that Jackson had to have taken more propofol when Murray left the room.

"The science will prove that there had to have been more propofol delivered, provided, taken by Michael Jackson after the period of time (Murray) left that room," Chernoff said.

Chernoff said the defense's theory is that the extra delivery of that propofol "was through Michael Jackson himself."

Earlier, Chernoff said that an extra dose of propofol that he said Jackson took while Murray was out of the room, combined with an extra dose of a sedative that Chernoff said Jackson had taken without Murray's knowledge, killed Jackson.

[Updated at 3:12 p.m. ET] Jurors are on a lunch break. The defense will resume its opening statements at 4:30 p.m. ET.

Some notes about what was said shortly before the break: Defense attorney Ed Chernoff - who at the beginning of his statements said that Jackson had caused his own death by self-administering propofol and another drug without Murray's knowledge - said that Murray, sticking to his plan to wean Jackson off propofol and give him only two other drugs instead, refused to give Jackson propofol for 10 hours in the night/day leading to Jackson's death. Murray gave Jackson 25 milligrams of propofol only after a restless Jackson begged for it, Chernoff said.

Chernoff said Jackson told Murray: “If I don’t sleep, if I don’t get some sleep, I can’t complete my rehearsal. If I can’t complete my rehearsal, I can’t complete my show ... and I will fail.”

Jackson knew when he asked for propofol that he already had other medications in his system, Chernoff said.

Jackson went to sleep after getting the propofol, and Murray checked his vital signs, which were good, the lawyer said. Jackson gave himself more propofol and a dose of another drug when Murray left the room, Chernoff said.

Chernoff also said Jackson was addicted to Demerol prescribed by another doctor, and his insomnia was at least in part related to that.

[Updated at 2:52 p.m. ET] Defense attorney Ed Chernoff - who at the beginning of his statements said that Jackson had caused his own death by self-administering propofol and another drug without Murray's knowledge - tried to counter the prosecution's argument that Murray's provision of propofol to Jackson was negligent.

Chernoff said Murray - who Chernoff said had become Jackson's friend and occasional physician after treating one of Jackson's children in 2006 - agreed to give Jackson propofol to help him sleep as Jackson prepared for his "This Is It" concert series only after Jackson told him that he used propofol during his tours. Murray was concerned that Jackson was going to use propofol "irrespective of Murray."

Murray saw his role as weaning Jackson off propofol, and Jackson agreed to let him try, Chernoff said. And Murray was in that process on the week that Jackson died, giving Jackson only half the normal dose on the night of June 22, and giving Jackson two other sedatives but no propofol on the night of June 23, Chernoff said.

"What you will learn form the evidence ... is this: Dr. Murray provided propofol for sleep for two months for Michael Jackson," said Chernoff, who also said that. "For these two months ... Michael Jackson slept, he woke up, and he lived his life. He went to work and he continued what ... he felt he needed to do."

"The evidence is not going to show you that Michael Jackson died when Dr. Murray gave him propofol," Chernoff said. Rather, Chernoff said, Jackson died "when Dr. Murray stopped."

[Updated at 2:32 p.m. ET] Murray’s defense attorney Ed Chernoff told the jury about conversations Murray had with police during their investigation into Michael Jackson’s death. Chernoff said police interviewed hospital officials and doctors as well as workers at the house where Jackson was staying before Murray was ever interviewed.

Chernoff said that during interviews with police, there were no limitations to the questions, and Murray never took a break to consult with lawyers about whether to answer questions. Murray told detectives, according to Chernoff: "I don't know what killed Michael Jackson. I want to know also."

[Updated at 2:26 p.m. ET] The defense is talking about the prosecution's characterization of Murray as a greedy man who stood to make money off Jackson’s problem.

"If the prosecution is going to tell you he is greedy, callous and reckless, you need to hear the full story," Chernoff said after previewing stories of patients that Murray, a cardiologist, has helped.

Murray began crying when Chernoff described how he met Jackson, and how Murray and Jackson became friends as the pop star let him into his life. Murray wiped from his face as his attorney talked about “the real problems Michael Jackson had.”

Dr. Conrad Murray wipes his eyes during his attorney's opening statements on Tuesday.

[Updated at 2:19 p.m. ET] Defense attorney Ed Chernoff said during the course of the trial he will try to provide answers to two key questions: How did Michael Jackson get to the point where he was on the day of his death? And what happened to Jackson when Murray was in the room?

Chernoff is now saying that the prosecution undersold the scale of the “This Is It” concert series Michael Jackson was preparing for, and the stress Jackson was under. The goal of the tour “was to create history,” Chernoff said. “Not just for us, but for himself.”

Chernoff said the jury will hear from those who were dealing with the production and choreography of the concert that Jackson had not performed for 10 years. “And this particular series of concerts, these shows were going to be his absolution,” Chernoff said. “He needed to do these shows.”

The defense attorney added that the jury will hear how dedicated Jackson was to the tour and how involved he was with it - down to the songs themselves, the effects and clips shown in the background. “This was how Michael Jackson was going to be remembered,” he said. “He needed to do these shows.”

Chernoff added that jurors will hear that in the event that the concerts succeeded, Jackson had plans for four to five movies, including a 3D version of “Thriller,” which would net him hundreds of millions of dollars.

“All he had to do was complete these shows,” he said. “The problem was he was never going to be able to do these shows. Because Michael Jackson had a problem - he had a problem that no amount of determination, dedication or talent would overcome. And he knew that he needed help.”

[Updated at 2:08 p.m. ET] The defense has begun its opening statements by saying that Michael Jackson essentially caused his own death, saying that Jackson - while Murray was out of the room where Jackson was trying to sleep on the day Jackson died - self-administered an extra dose of propofol. This, combined with an extra dose of lorazapam that defense attorney Ed Chernoff said Jackson also took without Murray's knowledge, created "a perfect storm in his body that killed him instantly."

After Murray came into the room and found Jackson, "there was no CPR, nor doctor, no paramedic, no machine that was going to revive Michael Jackson," Chernoff said. "He died so rapidly, so instantly, he didn’t even have time to close his eyes."

The amount of lorazapam that Jackson gave to himself was enough "to put six of you to sleep," Chernoff said.

The prosecution, in its opening statements, said that Murray told investigators that he was out of the room for about two minutes after administering propofol and other drugs to Jackson in an effort to help Jackson sleep.

[Updated at 1:58 p.m. ET] The prosecution is finished with opening statements; the defense is expected to make its opening statements soon.

Toward the end of his statements, prosecutor David Walgren a number of examples of what he said was Murray’s gross negligence. We noted two earlier: that Murray had left Jackson alone for two minutes after he administered propofol on the day Jackson died; and that after emergency personnel were called, Murray told neither medics nor emergency room doctors caring for Jackson that Murray had administered propofol. Here are some other examples Walgren gave:

- Murray administered propofol, a “powerful anesthetic intended for use in highly monitored settings such as a hospital,” in an improper setting - the home where Jackson was staying - Walgren said.

- Murray administered propofol for insomnia, rather than for what it is meant for, such as “the induction and maintenance of general anesthesia, sedation for mechanically ventilated adults, and procedural sedation,” Walgren said.

- The propofol was administered without immediate access to standard resuscitation equipment and drugs, according to Walgren.

- Investigators have found no written informed consent form signed by Jackson, Walgren said.

- No documentation of vital signs and dosages of Murray’s care of Jackson that night - “crucial in a setting such as this, when emergency personnel … (are) seeking the truth (of what happened) - were found, Walgren said.

- 911 wasn’t called immediately when a problem was discovered, Walgren said.

- After emergency personnel were called, Murray told neither paramedics nor emergency room doctors caring for Jackson that Murray had administered propofol, according to Walgren.

[Updated at 1:29 p.m. ET] Prosecutor David Walgren said that during the course of trial jurors will hear not only that Conrad Murray "acted with gross negligence" but also that he was the "cause of Michael Jackson's death."

"Conrad Murray's actions, Conrad Murray's omissions to act directly caused the death of Michael Jackson," he said.

Walgren asked the jury to listen to all of the evidence during the case and return a guilty verdict.

[Updated at 1:27 p.m. ET] Prosecutor David Walgren said that after emergency personnel were called on the day Jackson died, Murray told neither medics nor emergency room doctors caring for Jackson that Murray had administered propofol.

[Updated at 1:24 p.m. ET] After giving Michael Jackson several substances including propofol in an effort to help him sleep, Dr. Conrad Murray told investigators he left him alone for about two minutes, prosecutor David Walgren told jurors in Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial.  That action constitutes "medical abandonment," Walgren alleged.

[Updated at 1:18 p.m. ET] Prosecutors are now focusing on the uses for propofol and the settings for which it should be used.

Prosecutor David Walgren noted that propofol is an "improper treatment of insomnia."

Walgren is now talking about the setup of the equipment - and the lack of proper equipment that are required when propofol is being used.

[Updated at 1:15 p.m. ET] CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin offered a summary of the prosecution’s theory, and how he believes the defense will counter it:

“The prosecution’s theory is pretty straightforward: He was fine when Conrad Murray started treating him; Conrad Murray only got involved in treating Michael Jackson out of enormous greed; and (Murray) was incompetent and he gave him this drug, Propofol, which under no circumstances should be given outside of a hospital setting; and thus he killed Michael Jackson,” Toobin said.

The prosecution is making a case that although Murray is a medical doctor, he wasn’t an expert on Propofol, Toobin said. He said the defense can ask a lot of questions about the prosecution’s theory:

“Who told (Murray) to use propofol? What was the background? What drugs had Michael Jackson been using previously?” Toobin said. “It think for starters, (the defense is) going to give background on Michael Jackson’s history of drug use, including, perhaps – again, we don’t know the facts here – his use of this drug.

“What the prosecution is trying to do is narrow this case down to one single exchange of drugs between Dr. Murray and Michael Jackson in the hours that (Jackson) died. That’s all the prosecution wants this case to be about. The defense is going to want to bring in the whole story of Michael Jackson’s health, his history of drug use, what might have killed him, how he had interacted with physicians in the past.”

[Updated at 1:10 p.m. ET] Dr. Conrad Murray did not mention the drug propofol to emergency room doctors at UCLA Medical Center when asked what pop star Michael Jackson had been given, prosecutor David Walgren told jurors in Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial on Tuesday.

[Updated at 12:58 p.m. ET] Prosecutors are now talking about the phone calls Conrad Murray made on the morning that Michael Jackson was found dead.

Prosecutors say that Murray made a slew of phone calls between 10:20 and 11:51 a.m. that morning. Dr. Conrad Murray is believed to have discovered pop star Michael Jackson unconscious at about 11:56 a.m. on June 25, 2009, but he did not tell anyone to call 911 until 12:20 p.m., prosecutor David Walgren told jurors in Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial Tuesday.

During a phone call at 11:51 a.m. with a cocktail waitress that Murray regarding as his girlfriend, Murray became silent and the phone went dead, Walgren said.

"This is likely the time Conrad Murray first noticed Michael Jackson's lifeless body," prosecutor David Walgren said.

Walgren said that the cocktail waitress on the phone noticed that Murray stopped responding to her on the phone and then five minutes later the call went dead.

At 12:12 p.m. prosecutors said Murray called Michael Jackson's personal assistant Michael Williams and left a message saying "“Call me right away, please. Please call me right away. Thank you.” Williams promptly called Murray back and he was told "Get here right away Mr. Jackson had a bad reaction, he had a bad reaction," according to prosecutors.

Prosectuors noted that when Murray said Jackson had a bad reaction he had yet to call authorities. Williams, who was not close to Jackson's home, summoned security guard Albert Alvarez to go inside the house.

When he gets inside Jackson's room, Murray is giving CPR while Jackson lies on the bed, Walgren said.

Walgren said Murray instructed the security guard to grab a bag and Murray begins grabbing vials and a saline bag hanging from the IV stand to put inside the bag.

That bag was later found inside Jackson's home.

[Updated at 12:54 p.m. ET] Near the start of the prosecution’s opening statements, prosecutors displayed what appeared to be image of Jackson dead, lying on a gurney, several times during a slide presentation highlighting the prosecution’s points.

At one point, a slide showed the image of Jackson’s body next to a picture of Jackson alive. Prosecutor David Walgren indicated that the second photo showed Jackson rehearsing at Los Angeles’ Staples Center on June 24, 2009 – the day before Jackson died. The photo of the body was dated June 25, 2009.

“The question became what occurred between June 24, 2009, when Michael Jackson, shown in this picture, performing at the Staples Center, singing “Earth Song,” – what happened between that time and approximately 12 hours later when Michael Jackson is dead?” Walgren said.

[Updated at 12:52 p.m. ET] Prosecutors are now talking about the days leading up to Michael Jackson's death.

On June 19 "Michael showed up for his rehearsal and he was not in good shape, he was not in good shape at all," prosecutor David Walgren said.

"He had chills, he was trembling ... he was rambling," Walgren added.

He went home early that evening and didn't rehearse because of his physical condition. The next day, prosecutors said, there was a meeting called about Jackson's health. A few days later he was able to practice in much better condition, Walgren said.

[Updated at 12:50p.m. ET] Between April 6, 2009, and the time of Michael Jackson's death on June 25, Dr. Conrad Murray ordered enough propofol to give Jackson 1,937 milligrams a day, prosecutor David Walgren told jurors in his opening statement in Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial Tuesday.

[Updated at 12:48 p.m. ET] Prosecutors in the involuntary manslaughter trial of Dr. Conrad Murray, doctor to the late pop star Michael Jackson, played part of a recording of Jackson made on Murray's iPhone on May 10, 2009. The recording appears to feature a drugged Jackson, slurring his words as he says he wants people to leave his show saying, "He's the greatest entertainer in the world."

The recording said:

“We have to be phenomenal. When people leave this show, when people leave my show, I want them to say, “I’ve never seen anything like this in my life.

"Go. Go. I’ve never seen nothing like this. Go. It’s amazing. He’s the greatest entertainer in the world. I’m taking that money, a million children, children’s hospital, the biggest in the world, Michael Jackson’s Children’s Hospital.”

The point of playing the recording, prosecutor David Walgren said, was to demonstrate Murray’s “knowledge of what he is doing to Michael Jackson on May 10, 2009, over a month and a half before Michael Jackson dies as a result of this very treatment.”

[Updated at 12:41 p.m. ET] Propofol, the drug that caused pop star Michael Jackson's death, "is a wonderful drug, if used by someone who knows what they're doing," prosecutor David Walgren told jurors Tuesday at the start of the involuntary manslaughter trial of Dr. Conrad.

[Updated at 12:38 p.m. ET]   At the time Michael Jackson died, Dr. Conrad Murray was not board-certified in any medical specialty, prosecutor David Walgren told jurors Tuesday in his opening statement in Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial.

[Updated at 12:28 p.m. ET] Dr. Conrad Murray "repeatedly acted with gross negligence, repeatedly denied care, appropriate care, to his patient, Michael Jackson, and it was Dr. Murray's repeated incompetent and unskilled acts that led to Michael Jackson's death," prosecutor David Walgren told jurors during his opening statement in Murray's trial Tuesday.

[Posted at 12:23 p.m. ET] Opening statements have begun in the trial of Dr. Conrad Murray, doctor to the late pop star Michael Jackson. Murray is charged with involuntary manslaughter in Jackson's 2009 death.

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  1. Brenda

    I am watching this trial. Interesting. M.J. was found Not Guilty, and God will be his judge, because God knows the truth. This Doctor was paid to watch over M.J. by M.J. Shame on M.J. In his recordings he was so messed up he could not even talk right. Shame on M.J. but it was his choice and he was hooked on this serious drug, worse then a drug addict on the street and no better then any drug addict, he was breaking the law, so was the Doctor. This Doctor does not have a license to do what he did. He knew this was a bad drug, more then any one, especially M.J. This Dr. had so much of this drug he planned on giving it to M.J. all the time, and M.J. paid him to give it to him. They are both very wrong. I think the Dr. will get a Guilty and he should, I just don't think the charges are serious enough, nor will the time in jail be enough. M.J. had a family, let them hear his words in court, and are you telling me they could not do anything about M.J. taking these drugs? I don't believe they tried! M.J. was bigger then every one. Well let me tell you, if that was my child, I would of marched into his home and had him committed for his own saftey and well being. I would of taken those children out of that home, how dare M.J. say he loved his kids and treat them like that. You have a bedroom with medical tools and drugs, and the kids live in that home and walk in and see their Dad like that. If it was you or I the social services would of been there right now to take the kids away from M.J. and the police would of arrested the drug user and or any one involved. Just because you hire a Dr. to give you drugs, at home, infront of your kids, I don't think it makes it legal. The proper tools were not present in the home to save his life. M.J. abused his talent as many Stars do, give them money and they run to the drugs, shuch a shame. Its a shame M.J. is dead, but he did do it to himself, after all he is a drug user. If you think he was healthy, your wrong, look at him, he did so much to himself, abused his self, he wa snot healthy, he was high on drugs, he was all messed up, that is where he got the energy from drugs, and no wonder why he could not sleep, he was up on drugs, then took something to come down on drugs, he was on drugs 24/7. When did he have time for his own kids like a normal father? His loved ones, his family and where were they? I hope they listen to the tapes in court and understand how much M.J. needed their help. They needed to jump up and down, yell scream, at M.J. bring him down from his high horse, show him no respect, and drag him into a re-hab center, where he could get real help. A paid doctor, come on that doctor will do anything his boss says to do, and M.J. gave him orders as to what was needed to be done to him. M.J. was the doctor's BOSS, so he did what M.J. wanted, they both should of been arrested and charged with drugs. Hay at least M.J. would of gotten the help he needed and he would be alive today, and the doctor would of been up for hire..

    October 5, 2011 at 8:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • L. F. C.

      I have been watching the trial since day 1 also. MJ didn't hire Murray as the physician. The producers of MJ tour did. Murray was not the one that started shooting him with milk. It was another dr. Then we have another dr. prescribing scripts for aniexty...valium, ativan, vicodin (pain). Shots of demoral for yrs. Murray didn"t even know how to treat MJ with this drug. MJ gave him instructions..........There would be at least 10 people now that r guilty of his death. Granted, I love Michael Jackson....love his music... but drug addicts do know what, when and how to do it. Murray got caught up with a druggy. Good lLuck to u, Murray. There r sooo many guilty in this tragic death....get them all.
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      October 10, 2011 at 2:07 am | Report abuse |
    • L. F. C.

      Oh yes, to add the Jackson family had many interventions with MJ and that's not what he wanted. He wanted his drugs...I know as I'm an addict!!!!!!!!! I'll do anything it takes to get mine. I understand addicts so much as we have the same in common.

      October 10, 2011 at 2:13 am | Report abuse |
  2. slw

    Defense: Jackson caused his own death when Murray was away....Dr Conrad Murray's confession tape says other wise!!!!

    October 8, 2011 at 9:25 am | Report abuse |
    • michael stice

      michael stice

      My typing errors could not be removed from the other statement I made... So, trying again,

      This doctor Shaffer who is tearing Michael Jackson's doctor Murray apart should be treated carefully by the defense. I do not side with the defense team, yet, if they do not diffuse this testimony they are going to make their job MORE difficult. First, they need to NOT cross examine; second, they need to let the fire doctor Shaffer set with his self-driven campaign, which makes him very credible needs to be allowed to cool-off until the fervor is reduced and then sometime later in the trial cross-examine the good doctor. To do anything less is going to produce another Casey Anthony problem. His testimony is so moving that to proceed with this witness longer is only fueling a fire that was set by the prosecution through doctor Shaffer's testimony.

      I cannot think of any worse move on the defense's part than if they treat this doctor Shaffer as if he were simply a raving loon spouting the doctrine of his view on medicine...

      I regret the prior comments with the mistakes.

      October 19, 2011 at 6:41 pm | Report abuse |
  3. slw

    MJ was not an addict! The man only wanted to get some sleep..He did not ask to be surround by an enabler!!!!!!

    October 8, 2011 at 9:58 am | Report abuse |
  4. Lly

    Murray and his lawyers are trying to switch the blame on Michael. Murray claims he left Michael not more than 2 mins.or so?? Lying in bed and drugged out already, how does one have enough time,strength let alone sense, to be up & administering drugs to themself without being caught ?? And further more Michael did not become an addict by choice, it was thru Dr's who treated Michael in the past that made him an addict. They disregarded the consequences and what it would do to Michael's life down the road., they were only looking out for their own best interest ( being very wealthy), it was, Money! Michael wasn't stupid or careless, he wanted to live and be with his children's who meant the world to him! And despite his grim health problems had plans (project's) he wanted to do for all the children's in the world. It's so ridiculously obvious how they try to shift the blame on Michael, when it's Murray's own wrong doing till the end. Michael's life was cut short because of these enabler's and user's!

    October 8, 2011 at 10:31 pm | Report abuse |
  5. MJFan98

    This is crazy! Michael died because of Dr. Conrad Murray! Not by himself!!! Yeah, I know that he got his scalp burned and thats when he started to like drugs..... And that doesnt mean he CAUSED his own DEATH!! Sick people! Taking the Dr.'s side, when clearly he is GUILTY!!

    October 9, 2011 at 9:14 am | Report abuse |
  6. Bree 22

    Conrad Murray killed Michael Jackson because look at all the facts: *If michael jackson had taken seditives basically all night and parts of the day that day how did he have the stregnth to get up take medicine and give himself a dose of anything without being caught in two minutes. * if he did he would have touched it and no finger prints of mjs were on that fatal dose bottle. * plus like one of the juror said if that were the case that woulda happened before he left the room, that propofol would have dissapaited in ten minutes and that would have happened right then and there. * If he had not worked with it before and if he had no speciality in that department he shouldnt have taken on a job he didnt know how to handle. For a doctor to have no experience with the drug prior and he wasnt monitoring mj too he definately was doing it for the love of money not for mjs health. *Look at how much he played around with his iphone and his four women, How does that not show carelessness and greed, when your not supposed to leave a pacient unattended with propofol? he could call everybody eles and even lie about why it took him so long to call(saying mj didnt have a landline, but u ur using ur iphone really?) Right there he cant be trusted and then he was having the time of his life while mj was on his final hr, and he didnt have the right equipment or have it properly set up correctly. All that alone he should be faulted how can they fully try and blaim mj when he had not did his doctor?
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    October 9, 2011 at 11:25 am | Report abuse |
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    October 16, 2011 at 9:46 pm | Report abuse |
  8. michael stice

    michael stice

    I cannot think of any worse move on the defense's part than if they treat this doctor Shaffer as if he were simply a raving loon spouting the doctrine of his view on medicine...

    Doctor Shaffer is very credible. If the defense is to prevail... they need to take a different tack than blaming Michael Jackson who was not a doctor and allowing inflammatory remarks stated today to settle, leave the immediate minds of everyone and then revisit doctor Shaffer's testimony and pick it apart then when instant recall is not a potential.

    October 19, 2011 at 6:47 pm | Report abuse |
  9. the scamp

    From what I understand,Propofol is an aneasthetic. Aneasthetics are used to put you to sleep by a surgian,or more likely a profesional aneathatist before you have an operation or the like,and only enough is administred so that at the end of surgery ,you come round. They are also used in a much larger dose by a vet to put an animal to sleep if it is ill or cannot be saved after an injury ect.. It sounds to me like Murray injected so much into Michael Jackson,that that is what happened to him. He literally put him to sleep like an animal and should be charged with murder because he should have known what he was he was doing,and was not quallified to use the drug in the first place.

    October 20, 2011 at 3:07 pm | Report abuse |
  10. DD

    I have watched this trial from this beginning .. I have watched them go back and forth trying to blame MJ and the DR MURRY.. No one will ever know what happened in that room except Dr Murry and MJ .. and MJ can't tell us because he isn't here anymore thanks to DR MURRY not doing his job.. If he is convicted he might get 4 years and they are saying that is house arrest ..and lose his license... big deal!! Someone said that MJ was a drug addict and that his kids should have been taken away.. MJ loved his kids.. he loved children and to make that statement is just ridiculous.. MJ was given these drugs by drs.. I have grown up with MJ I am only 2 years younger than he was .. I loved his music.. He seemed to be a loving and careing person..When he was accused of molestation I knew in my heart that he didn't do it, IT was the greedy parents of the children that he reached out to that wanted money from him because of who he was that convinced their kids to say that MJ did something to them that he didn't. He was found NOT GUILTY.
    MJ would still be here entertaining us if not for the greedy DR..It has been said over and over again that he should have never been give MJ the Profaol in a home setting and he didn't even have any eqipment if something went wrong. He lied to the EMT people, who knows how many other people he has lied to? If Dr Murry is found Guilty is found Guilty I don't think that 4 years of house arrest is right.. What he did is not right.. he clearly didn't know what he was doing ..
    I've said my peace..
    Thanks for letting me ramble on.

    October 20, 2011 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Connie

    I feel sorry for Dr. Murray. He was hired to give Michael whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted it. Michael was an addict, which is proven by the tolerance he had for drugs. No normal person would want or require an anesthetic to be able to sleep unless they had an addiction and high tolerance to drugs. If Dr. Murray would not have given the drug to Michael he would have found someone else to do it. The most that Dr. Murray is guilty of is assisted suicide, because anyone who abuses drugs is on a suicide mission and it is time that the celebrities take responsibility for their own actions and demands.

    October 20, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Susan Campos

      Why feel sorry for CM he is the one who took oath as doctor! Maybe would have been better for addict to get another doctor who would have watched him . What is a cardiologist doing giving those type of drugs with no equipment. Maybe just maybe Conrad needed money for he has 7 children and is married and been supeoned by the woman and how he does not pay child support.Sorry for him no. Sorry that Jackson had to die for bloodmoney yes.

      October 22, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Report abuse |
  12. MNM Candy 1978

    I have nothing against Dr. Conrad Murray, and I love Michael Jackson's legacy. However, I feel that if Michael Jackson did in fact have an addition to sleeping medicines or propofol, the doctor was hired by Jackson to monitor him, and the doctor's profession warranted he assist with life not death. The doctor should have sought out other professional opinions and advice. It appears that the doctor may have been overwhelmed possibly by Michael Jackson's influence, and simply took matters into his own hands. Once Dr. Murray realized that Michael Jackson had an addiction to drugs and/or that his health was poor, he should have taken more appropriate action. Perhaps Michael Jackson could have gotten the medical and psychological help he needed to get his health in order. I think for that reason, Dr. Conrad Murray should be charged with: Criminally negligent manslaughter. He should be punished to the fullest extent of the law for his negigence. I feel this way because, even though I am not a law or medical expert, there appears to me that this case is a clear cut incident "where there is an omission to act when there is a duty to do so, or a failure to perform a duty owed, which leads to a death. The existence of the duty is essential because the law does not impose criminal liability for a failure to act unless a specific duty is owed to the victim. It is most common in the case of professionals who are grossly negligent in the course of their employment. An example is where a doctor fails to notice a patient's oxygen supply has disconnected and the patient dies (R v Adomako)." ), as Dr. Murray did not provide the professional care any phycially or mentally ill person would have been allotted to any average sick person. I feel the Dr. Murray was grossly negligent on many levels, and Michael Jackson that could have other professional care that would have helped keep him alive. As and overpaid doctor, Dr. Murray should have insisted on Michael Jackson receiving the BEST CARE. REST IN PEACE MICHAEL JACKSON. It is unfortunate that all the money in the world can't bring the late great Michael Jackson back to us.

    October 27, 2011 at 2:00 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Suga

    MJ. Had a disease, insomnia. He went to alot of Dr.s for help, all the Dr. 's Really cared for was his money. They didn't give him what he really needed. Dr. Murray tried to help him because he was a caring physician. However, he was too relaxed on the job, and deviated from the standard of care. Which caused MJ his life, now who has to pay for it? MJ family, friends and fans! I feel like all of his Dr. Should be held accountable because MJ went to everyone for help! How can you get addicted to legal drugs from a professional Dr. And say that he was an addict!

    October 28, 2011 at 11:03 am | Report abuse |
  14. Suga

    Anyone can get addicted to any substance. How about fixing the underlining issues first before giving drugs. Dr.'s Are trained to give medication for symptoms. So don't blame the patients, if they become addicted to the Dr.'s solution.

    October 28, 2011 at 11:13 am | Report abuse |
  15. Glendibear

    I appreciate the wisdom both Dr. Paul White and Dr. Steven Shafer have brought to the courtroom regarding Propofol. With the vast education of Dr. Paul White how can he state, “Propofol is effective for insomnia”? It is my understanding, with Propofol, you DO NOT sleep in the same manner of one who normally sleeps, going into the REM sleep restoration of the body and mind, therefore the body doesn't rest it is simply sedated. I have been sedated for procedures and remember when I awoke I slept naturally for hours later to recover from the sedation and still didn’t feel well for a good 24-hours How can Dr. White state: Propofol is effective for insomnia?

    Last statement I wish Dr. White would stop with the jabs toward Dr. Shafer! His remark concerning the spelling of “Plasma” is Totally Unnecessary! He is making himself look like jealous, petty, and juvenile rather than a doctor of exemplary intelligence. If we can all take jabs, I bet his wife regrets ever suggesting that he take the stand...

    October 28, 2011 at 12:00 pm | Report abuse |
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