Overheard on CNN.com: We are successful men and gamers, too
Older men spend more time playing video games than teen boys do, William Bennett says.
October 7th, 2011
03:08 PM ET

Overheard on CNN.com: We are successful men and gamers, too

Comment of the Day:

"I'll agree to be a 1950's stereotype of a man if women agree to be a 1950's stereotype of a woman." - whogas

Why men are in trouble

Men must "man up" using "industriousness, marriage and religion," writes former Secretary of Education William J. Bennett. Women now hold more college degrees, and male unemployment is at 20%. Worse yet, he writes, older men now spend more time playing video games than do teenage boys.

CNN.com readers disagreed about his definition of "success" and particularly about those video games.

drewscriver said, "This is one of the daftest articles I have read in a long time. Religion, marriage, and work are the values of a society? What about lack of responsibility for actions, and absence of critical thinking skills!"

kogonon said, "I think there are more definitions of men than a 1950's 'Father Knows Best' image. Males are just as dynamic and complicated as women are, they just don't show it because of societal norms."

insulted05 said, "Video games are the death of the modern man? I have two Masters and work three teaching jobs, including one full-time, and help out with the housework. I spend every night with family and take care of most of our home improvement projects. All of that ...and I LOVE video games. All of my close friends (a general manager, pharmacist, chiropractor, and police officer) love video games, and we play them together when we can.They are exemplary men, husbands, and fathers."

coates32 said, "OK, I'm a gamer and I'm disgusted that someone Mr. Bennett would even write an offensive, bigoted article like this. Women aren't trying to 'take down the man.' They just want to improve their lives, like everyone else. And the bit about blaming games for 'the decine of men,' even though 40 percent of gamers (or more) are female, is just idiotic."

obinthakur said, "This article doesn't take into account how society and expectations have now changed since the 60's. Religion is irrelevant to the argument (I'm from the UK and have rarely come into contact with anybody claiming to be religious in the last 2 decades), and it is possible to live a perfectly happy life without getting marrried and having children."

AmoItaliano said, "My girlfriend and I have 2 girls, 2 and 4 years old. My job allows me to spend a great deal of time at home with my kiddos. I have become an expert in my girls' favorite toys, foods, clothes, bedtime stories, and ways to braid hair. I take them to all their doctors appointments. I am up all night tonight with a sick kiddo sleeping on my lap as I type away on the computer. Being a dad is absolutely the coolest thing any guy could ever want to do."

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Compiled by the CNN.com moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.

soundoff (72 Responses)
  1. banasy©

    Because you have brought them up time and time again by you stalking behavior concerning FB, as if you know anything. Everytime you get drunk, you do it. As though casting aspersions on them is going to negate the fact that you are a very creepy character.
    If you want to post something about me, have at it.
    Because everyone knows what I'm like, and everyone knows what you're like.

    My view on ab or tion is this:
    I would personally not get one, but I would never tell anyone else what to do with their body.
    Is that clear-cut enough for you?
    And guess what?
    No matter how you want to spin it: I once told you that life started at con cep tion.
    I said that so you would shut up.
    Life starts when it can maintain itself outside of the body, that's my opinion.

    Jazz lost all respect for any expectation of privacy when she called me a w*h*o*r*e. I am no more a w*h*o*r*e than she is.
    You continously bring up my family; I just brought up your agapé sister.
    So again, FO.

    October 9, 2011 at 3:31 pm | Report abuse |
  2. banasy©

    I will talk about what *I* want to talk about, not what *you* think I should talk about, Philip Eugene Douglas.
    I talk about what other people are talking about, not what the biggest blog hog deems important.
    And Philip?
    Other people feel the same way.
    I don't hide behind several u/n's; I don't have to.
    I'm proud of my name.
    I don't need another.

    October 9, 2011 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
  3. banasy©

    Ok: what do I think of sodomy?
    Don't want to do it.
    What do I think of AIDS?
    Don't want it.
    What do I think of big pharm?
    I have take meds; they're all right.
    What do I think of war?
    I'm against it.
    Anything else?
    Shuddup then.
    he he 🙂

    October 9, 2011 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
  4. benny

    Um ya,,, guy gamers , very hot.

    October 9, 2011 at 11:37 pm | Report abuse |
  5. GWNews

    There is so much to be said about how awful this article by William Bennet is... but quickly in response to this absolutely absurd comment made by Bennet:

    "We may need to say to a number of our twenty-something men, 'Get off the video games five hours a day, get yourself together, get a challenging job and get married.'"

    We may need to say to a number of sixty-something men, "Stop blaming hard working, educated, ambitious young men for your screwing up what once was the most powerful and leading nation in the world, and help us fix it."

    October 10, 2011 at 4:35 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Keithen

    Wow, I love people's ignorance. I tend to ignore these things just knowing that it is video game's turn to be attacked but I do have to call it out sometimes when people are blatantly an idiot.
    1) 18-34 year old men can afford to buy their own games and Xbox Live were as most 12 year olds can't.
    2)Degrees don't speak of intelligence or money. For instance men tend to work in construction, information technology and computer science fields were they do not need a Phd because experience is more important. Were woman tend to be the more personal type and become doctors were you do need the higher education. So lets think about money now...how many doctors are on the top 10 richest people in the world?None? I see 3 I.T. related fields. In fact half of them didn't even finish or go to college and 1/5 of them dropped out of HIGH SCHOOL!
    3)Some companies like their employees to play video games (like the U.S. Military) because it increases cognitive reasoning and makes one more proud of what they are doing so they try harder.
    4)I have been playing video games since I was 5 and I am in a 3 year relationship going strong and I know plenty of gamers that are married.
    5)Many studies have shown anywhere between 30-50 percent of all gamers are woman.... so I am sorry Mr. Bennett but do some research before you open your big mouth because I am an 18 year old BOY who just proved you are blatantly an idiot. Hope you see this =D

    October 10, 2011 at 8:35 pm | Report abuse |
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