20% of Detroit in the dark, paper says
Many of Detroit's light poles are antiquated, making quick fixes nearly impossible because of the costs, city officials say.
October 19th, 2011
06:03 PM ET

20% of Detroit in the dark, paper says

About 20% of Detroit is without working street lights, and in some areas up to 50%, the Detroit News reports.

A combination of problems, including an aging infrastructure, a shrinking city budget and criminal activity - both real and perceived - have made public lighting a problem, officials say.

“I know you heard that 50% of the city is in the dark. I wouldn’t say that high, but it is a great number,” City Councilman James Tate told CNN Wednesday. “And I don’t care what side (of town) you’re talking about - east, west, more affluent - you see lights out everywhere."

Strapped for cash like most cities, Detroit officials are trying novel - and controversial - ways to fix the longstanding issue:  The Detroit Works Project proposed by Major David Bing would shift the city’s resources to the more vibrant neighborhoods, prioritizing working lights, water systems and trash pickup to areas that are heavily invested. On the other hand, blighted areas – huge swaths of the city  - would be divested of resources in a bid to encourage residents to move out of those parts of the city.

“What it does is try to encourage density in certain areas of the city,” Tate said, “because in these areas that have pretty much no one on the block now the challenge is if you have one person who lives there, you’ve got to provide the services, all of them, garbage collection, water, lighting,” he said.

Another plan would have the lighting department privatized.

In any case, city leaders are angry. This past summer, several leading clergy members took Wall Street to task over contributing to blight by letting foreclosed properties fall into disrepair.

"They kick people out of these properties and now they're abandoned, windows kicked out, pipes stolen," the Rev. Charles Williams II of Historic King Solomon Baptist Church said at the time. "This is a city-wide epidemic. We want to call Chase into action to put money back into these houses and put people back into these houses."

The city has been struggling to reinvent itself for years, a feat made all the more difficult in the face of low confidence in city officials, a shrinking tax base and a crippling recession.

Census numbers show the city has lost more than 250,000 residents from 2000 to last year - its lowest population in a century. Along the way there have been major lapses by the city's Public Lighting Department. CNN affiliate WDIV last month reported that a city street light outage lasted more than two months.

"After dark it's scary. There's no lighting," Aledra Shannon said, according to WDIV. ""I mean, three or four months, you know, I just didn't think that was normal, even for the city of Detroit," she was quoted as saying.

And it’s not just on the east side.

“If you look at Outer Drive, (the lights are) all out both on the east side and west side of the city, and that’s a major thoroughfare,” Tate said.

Metal thieves have long been the bane of police departments, but in Detroit they have managed to darken whole city blocks by ravishing light poles for iron and other metals.

“We have folks that are taking out some of the coils at the base of the lights,” Tate said. “They are looking for some type of metallic material, but it’s of very little value, according to public lighting officials, and it takes out the whole light.”

Also keeping much of the city in the dark is an antiquated lighting system that makes quick-fixes nearly impossible because of the costs. “They don’t even make the part anymore,” Tate said of the city's transformers. “So we have to now install an entire different light right now, an entire system just to fix a light that goes out.”

And then there's the perception of crime, which has dogged the city for decades. Without proper lighting, whole areas, even those with robust commerce, become danger zones.

"We’re trying to get people to move to the midtown and downtown areas which are very, very successful and yet lights are out in those areas as well,” Tate said. “So it is literally a public safety issue, because if you can’t see the individual committing the crime, they are more likely to continue to commit those crimes,” he said.

But city officials contend that as bad as the situation seems, there is some, well, light, at the end of the tunnel.

"It doesn't make me happy when I go into a neighborhood at night," Chris Brown, the  city official over the Public Lighting department, told the News. "We've got an obligation to get it done. In the next couple of years we will see a strong improvement of the lighting of those more dense areas, and that's where we're focused on, and that's what we've got to get done," he was quoted as saying.

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  1. me

    Gosh there are so many good post here. Wish mine was better. Outsourcing, free trade agreements, and govt corruption are sure hurting once great places. The profit at any cost, corporate republicans are just mean.

    October 19, 2011 at 10:09 pm | Report abuse |
  2. raven

    Id call em pretty uncomfortable .

    October 19, 2011 at 10:10 pm | Report abuse |
  3. gung hoe

    @ chrissey I call them its

    October 19, 2011 at 10:14 pm | Report abuse |
  4. raven


    October 19, 2011 at 10:15 pm | Report abuse |
  5. chrissy

    ROFLMAO!!! @ raven, girl u are 2 freakin funny!

    October 19, 2011 at 10:16 pm | Report abuse |
  6. chrissy

    i saw both dope dope dog and muttly were rippin on joey on a dif blog i thought i would save him today since im not stayin on here long! lmao and bimbo i caught the roper thing just was to late to post on it lmao

    October 19, 2011 at 10:22 pm | Report abuse |
  7. chrissy

    and its is an equally apt term for this person for sure.

    October 19, 2011 at 10:25 pm | Report abuse |
  8. gung hoe

    @btbc well when you have nonskilled workers hiring in @ 20 dollars a hour in the shop and a nurce with a 4 yr degree hiring in a hospital @ 17Dollars
    a hr something isnt right with that standard

    October 19, 2011 at 10:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bimbo the Birthday Clown

      No question. It's fair to say that the economics of the labor market are pretty screwed up, and globalization complicates it more.

      October 19, 2011 at 10:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • leeintulsa

      @gung: What workers are you talking about? Unskilled workers around here get minimum wage as permanent temps. No benefits, ever..

      Skilled workers can get 20.. After 4 years of training as an apprentice plus a few years more experience.. Amount depending on the trade..

      October 19, 2011 at 10:51 pm | Report abuse |
  9. raven

    Ive only been to a couple threads so i didnt see .which one ?

    October 19, 2011 at 10:26 pm | Report abuse |
  10. bobcat2u

    The old train depot you speak of, is that the one off Michigan ave? If so, I can't believe it's still standing.

    October 19, 2011 at 10:27 pm | Report abuse |
  11. raven

    Amen, gung hoe.

    October 19, 2011 at 10:29 pm | Report abuse |
  12. chrissy

    ok well im off good nite yall 🙂

    October 19, 2011 at 10:29 pm | Report abuse |
  13. chrissy

    yea gung hoe, the one that was in the eminem video

    October 19, 2011 at 10:33 pm | Report abuse |
  14. raven

    Hey Chrissy, which thread ?

    October 19, 2011 at 10:49 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Bimbo the Birthday Clown

    Just getting the kids ready, but I'm back. Are nurses really only getting $17/hr in Michigan? My wife is getting almost $30 in Alberta as an LPN. The RNs get over $40.

    October 19, 2011 at 11:02 pm | Report abuse |
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