Overheard on CNN.com: OWS is already a success
Occupy Wall Street protesters hold signs showing their frustrations with the economy.
November 2nd, 2011
04:53 PM ET

Overheard on CNN.com: OWS is already a success

Comment of the day:

“The movement is stimulating national discussion on important issues. It is a success … ” – evensteven

Open Story: Occupy Wall Street protests

Without clear leadership and a specific set of demands, it may be difficult to deem the Occupy Wall Street movement a success. Jeffrey D. Sachs, an expert in economics, visited the Occupy Wall Street crowd in New York's Zuccotti Park early in October and says the key to long-lasting change will include electing officials representative of the 99%.

But many CNN.com readers said the movement is already a success, while others gave the specifics for what an OWS victory might look like. Other readers said OWS is already on the losing end.

PersonOfPallor said, “Since they have no tangible objectives, they will fail by definition.”

GeorgeBos95 responded, “Will fail? This is an ongoing failure.”

Steve said, “Actually the objectives are extremely clear to anyone who can read.”

U.S. Citizen said, “There are some specific preliminary objectives and grievances but it is still a work in progress. They weren't organized by corporate reps with money and specific objectives in mind like the Tea Party. Anyone who has half a brain and knows what's going on in this nation knows that their basic purpose is to protest corporate greed and control of our government (both parties).”

Steve said, “The dialogue about who pays what and whether or not it's a fair share is all over the news. That in itself is success, and just the beginning.”

GeorgeBos95 responded, “Yes, you're right. We have to get the word out that 47 percent of the people currently PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX ... that the top 1 percent pay 40 percent of the tax and the top 10 percent pay 75 percent.
I think the top 10 percent are paying way too much and it's about time the 47 percent got off their butts and started producing like the rest of us. I'm not going to keep pulling the weight for the 47 percent. I'm sick of their whining.”

Bill responded, “George. Why don't you factor in state, local, sales and property tax? Those bottom 47 percent pay plenty.”

Marty said, “Who says they have no tangible objectives. Of course they do. Their objective is to eradicate inequality and inequity in this country. When 99 percent of the country is doing poorly and 1 percent is doing great, you don't need a very big megaphone to get your message out. What is the message of the 1 percent? That the country can go to hell in a hand basket, as long as the 1 percent is doing well? I would say the 1 percent have a very tangible message.

Crimsonsamurai said, “Success only needs to come in the minimalist form of finally declaring corporations for what they are, as a collection of individuals with common interests not as a separate but superior person, and not empowering them with the ability to further corrupt and degrade the political, financial, and cultural infrastructure of our nation.”

Middledocmom said, “There is already some success. The brave folks have given a voice to the silent majority who feel there is something seriously wrong with Congress. The movement provides hope. I sure hope that all that energy can be channeled into the traditional system where there is someone new to vote for.”

Brie responded, said, “That is the key, voting the old aristocracy out and the new in. That will not be easy especially if all we have are people sleeping in tents in parks. There has to be a better response and organized effort than that.”

Erik said, “An end to money buying elections (campaign finance reform); an end to lobbyists manipulating votes; an end to corporate greed taking precedence over the well-being of the 99%; an end to income inequality; a rise in upward social mobility; government-funded necessary social services, such as medical care, education, etc.”

Sleepwalker said, “I'd like to consider that it's already a success, because if nothing else, it has spurred ME to investigate deeper into what changes they are looking for, and decided for myself if those are in line with what I want for my future. They have challenged me to do more than simply say that 'it doesn't involve me' or 'it's not my problem.' Maybe I'm the only person who was motivated this way, but I'd like to think not.”

Mike said, “End Crony Capitalism. Make it illegal. Period.”

Angel said, “There will have to be people willing to run for the seats of senate and congress in line with OWS.”

RillyKewl said, “How do you spell success? CNN's headline (right above this one on front): Two more banks retreat on debit fees.”

Jonathan in Seattle said, “Success essentially is covered by FDR's un-ratified bill of rights addendum and more: 1) Employment for all; 2) Increased workers rights and quality of life – not against business interest, but to make better employees; 3) Food, housing, and healthcare guaranteed for all by employers and/or the government – paid for by business profits and taxes; 4) Free university-level education – paid for by business investment and taxes; 5) A shift of governmental priorities from corporate well-being to public well-being – businesses can fend for themselves in the free market, the government is meant to serve the people. That would be success for OWS in my mind."

Too young for Facebook?

Findings of a recent study appearing this week in First Monday, a peer-reviewed online journal, demonstrate that most underage kids on Facebook received help from their parents in creating an account.

So what do CNN.com readers think about the study? Some people defended the parents, saying it’s their right to choose for their children. Others said it’s wrong for parents to help their child break rules — especially if they are set up for the child’s protection.

Ethictetus said, “It's up to the parents to decide what’s best for their kids at least in situations like these. What on Facebook, or online games, is inappropriate for people under 13? Who is it up to, to decide what is inappropriate?”

ttony21 responded, “Well you're right to a degree, but technically it's not up to the parents if the site has a minimum age requirements as part of its terms of service. That's just the rules of the site itself.”

HJCihak responded, “More to the point, are these parents nuts? When someone tells me they're putting something on Facebook I ask them, ‘Would you put that information on highway billboard?’ Because you'd have a lot more privacy if it were only on a highway billboard!”

TGD783 said, “Parents don't always know what's best for their kids. Some parents film their kids fighting and put it on YouTube, some parents make their kids smoke weed, some parents have their eight-year-old kid drive them to the store.”

Sci1 said, “Yet, who do we blame when a child is bullied on facebook?”

vonspoo said, “My kid doesn't have a Facebook account. Why? Lots of reasons. Kids don't need one more dumb thing to distract them from homework. Kids don't need cyber bullying. Kids don't need to deal with the onslaught of creepy weirdos from the net. They aren't mature enough to handle it and even the most ‘mature’ ones are still as gullible as baby lambs. i see stuff on Facebook all the time that I wouldn't want my kid seeing and after seeing some of the garbage her same aged cousins post, no way.”

realist88 said, “I'm a teacher and am constantly overhearing Facebook conversations/dramas in the classroom. Bullying is amplified behind a computer screen, homework is neglected, girls are meeting older guys, drama goes to the big screen where everyone knows the dirt, and the parents? Non-existent; don't tell me they're monitoring this!”

JaxGrim said, “I really don't see the big deal if parent's are being responsible about it. My kids have Facebook accounts. The only friends on their accounts are family members. I have their privacy settings maxed out. They only used it to play Farmville or a couple of other games on occasion or send messages/pictures to grandparents and family. It is not like they are on it hours upon hours either. They used to get on maybe 15 minutes a day. However, they grew tired of it and have stopped using it. Again, its really not an issue if you are a responsible parent. If the parent is not responsible, then Facebook accounts are probably the least of their issues.”

Tr1Xen said, “My 8-year-old cousin is on Facebook because her parents lied and said she was 13. As long as the parents know about it, I don't really see what the big deal is.”

masquedx said, “As long as parents are aware of the account, have the password, keep an eye on friends and postings ... I don't really care if their 10-year-old is on.”

hesaidwhat2 said, “When the rules are arbitrary and outdated then you are simply teaching that you should always follow rules for the sake of following rules, regardless of fairness or logic. My 14 year old has a Facebook account that I closely monitor. My almost 13 year old does not, by her own choice. Frankly, it is better for a child to have a known monitored Facebook account than to have a hidden account you do not have access to.”

onlyonetime said, “I don't agree that the parents are being irresponsible. The parents have the final say, not Facebook. I let my son have one at 12 years old with several restrictions, knowing passwords, setting up their privacy settings, etc. That's my decision for my son. If Facebook changed their minimum age or allowed parents to have a say on whether or not children can set up a page, then this wouldn't be an issue.”

pugpugs said, “I helped my 11 year old create a Facebook page with severely strict conditions. I have all the passwords and only I know the password for the email associated with it. The privacy is set up so only her friends can see it and only her friends can find her. I check on it at least a few times a day. There's no way she can delete a Facebook conversation without me knowing, or do really anything without me knowing on the site. It's all about being a responsible parent.”

Open Thread: Talk about the news

Do you feel your views align with these commenters' thoughts? Post a comment below, or sound off on video

Compiled by the CNN.com moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.

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  1. banasy©


    Coming from someone whose opinion I respect enormously, that means a great deal to me.
    I answered you there.
    Thank you.

    Hey, m.s.!
    The term 'microblogger' makes me laugh...probably not its intended purpose, but it does anyway.

    November 3, 2011 at 12:06 am | Report abuse |
  2. Macroblogger

    The term 'microblogger' was coined in 1997. That you folks are still chatting about it lets you know how out of touch with reality you really are. The 'micros' really didn't come out of the closet until after 9/11, and in force after the War on the Iraqi peoples began in 2002, when macrobloggers began posting how many iraqi citizens were really being slaughtered, and recounting actual stories of genuine war crimes and atrocities being cmitted by allied forces, especially punks like Blackwter and associates. Would you like to hear the true story of the Iraqi mommy who was rayped as the gang-bangers waiting their turn machine-gunned her baby plucked from her bosom into two pieces? No? How about the little Iraqi girl tossed-off a bridge to her death? No? The story of an CNN Europe camers crew murdered for finding a mass grave site? Head of CNN Europe resigned in disgust over it ya know.

    November 3, 2011 at 1:00 am | Report abuse |
  3. raven

    Hey m.s.! Hows e.l.t.? Im well but worn out. Been work,work,workin. Saw a couple posts a few days ago that made me think Id stepped thru a wormhole: Same ole stuff from the same person. And WE are the ones monopolising the blogs?

    November 3, 2011 at 1:02 am | Report abuse |
  4. Joey Isotta-Fraschini

    @ chrissy:
    Thank you for the compliment. I'm not a hero. I wish I were.
    @ raven:
    You work all the time; we don't see you enough.
    I just woke up briefly. Have to go back to sleep.

    November 3, 2011 at 1:31 am | Report abuse |
  5. Audit the Fed

    "microblogging", not 'monopolizing'. For every post I make, you micros post 50. It just seems like I own these blogs because rather than taking issue with the themes of my posts, you micro cherry-pick them...and me. Like, who here will debate with me concerning why the fed system located here has never been allowed an audit by ANY President ever AND where all of our income tax dollars get funneled out of the country to?

    November 3, 2011 at 2:09 am | Report abuse |
  6. raven

    You know , I have wondered that myself . But since none of us are privy to what the government does with OUR money ( including our gold ) I know that any answers I get will be ones Ive most likely thought of and are speculative at best . Hows that ?

    November 3, 2011 at 2:52 am | Report abuse |
  7. raven

    I mean do you really think the govt would ALLOW an independent, HONEST, crown-to-the-ground audit ? If you do,youre more naive than you accuse us of being .

    November 3, 2011 at 2:55 am | Report abuse |
  8. raven

    And I use the term US for lack of a better term . You often pose an argument as a you -against-everyone scenario . My use of the word wasnt intended to perpetuate that model, but I realise it could be used as such .

    November 3, 2011 at 3:08 am | Report abuse |
  9. chrissy

    hey raven, girl u need 2 slow down & philip when was the last time you had your bp checked? we can argue this til we are blue in the face but the end result will be the same. WE really have no SAY in what our gov does. Until we ALL stand up & say ENOUGH!!

    November 3, 2011 at 4:06 am | Report abuse |
  10. chrissy

    And WHAT exactly have you done to make a diference? You think because you badger & bully people thats gonna make a difference?? Wake up and JUST do something instead of mouthing off and ridiculing the rest of us for not argueing a point with you! Dayum!

    November 3, 2011 at 4:13 am | Report abuse |
  11. Philip

    "Contempt prior to investigation". Me? I stopped using banks that use US years ago. For over 15 years I've known of and blogged about how our income tax dollars are smuggled out of the country by a tax service headquartered in the cayman Islands. (aka the IRS) The illegally obtained funds are funneled to one single bank located inside of the Tower of Basel, Switzerland. Then they loan back our own money, with interest! I've evn been exposing that crackpot Alex Jones who actually works for them! (cont)

    November 3, 2011 at 5:29 am | Report abuse |
  12. Philip

    Alex Jones and several men like him go around and act like they are exposing the "One World Order" plan that the illuminati running that bank in Basel, Switzerland have. But they are just distracting their listeners. The real plan is the next phony "war" that will have all of the world's citizens scared into allowing their national borders to be dissolved. The plan? A phony "United Governments vs. Invading Aliens" flying manmade flying saucers piloted by missing children/masters of playstation genetically altered to look like little green men. The saucer that crashed near Roswell, NM (Area 51) was actually an Nazi BMW J-38 brought back after WW2, piloted by four of Bayer AG's genetic-altered jewish women who couldn't fly very good. The inscription on the flying saucer translates as "army of women". But everyone thinks I'm cRaZY. (shrug) You'll see soon enough.

    November 3, 2011 at 5:46 am | Report abuse |
  13. Philip

    You gals have seen Stargate SG-1 featuring NORAD (N. American Air Defense Command Center) inside of Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado Springs, right? Well, NORAD was moved to Petersen AFB many years ago. There is a huge electic powerpant just south of that hollowed out mountain sending power for the manufacturing of flying saucers. The kidnapped kids are altered in laboratories located underneath DIA. (Denver Int'l Airport) I have spent much of my free time campimg behid that mountain...sometimes for weeks in the dead of winter. I have seen aand heard these flying saucers on numerous occassions. I really truly have. But I'm just drunk...right 'chrissy'? The US gov. didn't bring back any Nazi scientists, geneticists, pharmacologists, etc. along whith their machines, did they. Ardent Nazi Werner Von Braun and his team of thousands didn't found NASA, did they. Those Germans whose pictures we've all seen manning Houston control center/Apollo moon mission weren't Nazis! They were....ummm, immigrants. Right?

    November 3, 2011 at 6:04 am | Report abuse |
  14. raven

    So youre saying the govt is usin our money to generate a phony war against aliens who arent aliens but missing children ?? Really ? You really,really BELIEVE that ?

    November 3, 2011 at 7:08 am | Report abuse |
  15. michaelfury


    November 3, 2011 at 7:14 am | Report abuse |
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