November 19th, 2011
06:22 PM ET

Teens charged in death of retired NFL player's son

Four southern California teenagers have been charged following the apparent drug overdose death of an 18-year-old high school quarterback whose father is a retired NFL player, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department said Saturday.

Three of the teens have been charged with involuntary manslaughter in the death of Griffen Kramer, son of former pro quarterback Erik Kramer, who played for several NFL teams including the Chicago Bears and Detroit Lions, officials said.

Griffen Kramer played quarterback at Thousand Oaks High School, which lists him as a 6-foot 210-pound senior.

Kramer was found dead October 30 in a friend's bedroom in Agoura Hills, the sheriff's office said in a statement.

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  1. chrissy

    @ cosmicvox, when are dealers responsible tho? thats the big question and @ banasy, they may not have initially meant for him to die, but when he was unconscious and they dragged him to some guys house and did nothing, THAT part was voluntary. Done deal!

    November 20, 2011 at 1:28 am | Report abuse |
  2. chrissy

    @ joey according to banasys post the other teens WERE the dealers!

    November 20, 2011 at 1:32 am | Report abuse |
  3. Joey Isotta-Fraschini

    Hi chrissy.
    Thanks. I'm still half asleep.
    Maybe the now-extinguished party that awakened me was a bunch of dealers using up their profits.

    November 20, 2011 at 1:45 am | Report abuse |
  4. Joey Isotta-Fraschini

    I scrolled up to read banasy's post again.
    Yes, she said that they dealt.
    However, it's still like Michael Jackson's deal (and Elvis's and Judy's): the guy who uses is still responsible for his own death, regardless of what law the dealer broke.
    Did anybody here ever go into a wine boutique where they strapped you into a chair and poured cabernet sauvignon through a funnel down your throat?
    Aussi, don't go into a spiel about the sociological matrix.

    November 20, 2011 at 1:55 am | Report abuse |
  5. Joey Isotta-Fraschini

    I want to write even more clearly: I have to clarify who it is that I'm addressing.
    I didn't intend to imply that Chrissy might "go into a spiel about the sociological matrix." She would not.
    However, some others who post here might, if they understood and/or used those words.

    November 20, 2011 at 2:18 am | Report abuse |
  6. **cosmicvox *

    @chrissy, The dealers are responsible for being dealers. They're all a bunch of teenagers; not the most rational age in life. One can only hope that others will learn from this.

    November 20, 2011 at 2:28 am | Report abuse |
  7. BIG MONSTERS make little monsters

    California charges parent's of children who "tag", (paint stupid pictures on public property) and should do the same for children who commit even more serious offenses. You BIG MONSTERS made that little monster...now YOU clean-up the mess your spoiled little brats are making. PARENTS are responsible for their children...not US.

    November 20, 2011 at 6:34 am | Report abuse |
  8. BIG MONSTERS make little monsters

    ...like if your daughter has some dudes baby...YOU raise that kid. Not US. (no welfare for kids of hoes. Maybe give them some food stamps, but thats all. No free-ride for hoes) And yeah, track that dude down and make him pay too.

    November 20, 2011 at 6:40 am | Report abuse |
  9. @Joey Igotta-Baloney (1:55am)

    Did any of you have parents that forced you to take dangerous pharmaceuticals when you were kids? Without even knowing exactly what is in those drugs or even being educated to spot any signs of an alergic reaction, many parents did...and do still force their kids to take these drugz. Hmmm, I wonder if there's any connection between pharmaceuticals that come with labled warnings of weight gain/brain damage and our nationwide childhood obesity epidemic. Nah. No way that has anything to do with our lower National Report Card grades.

    November 20, 2011 at 7:03 am | Report abuse |
  10. Joey Isotta-Fraschini

    @ Dr. Strangelove/BIG MONSTERS:
    Pharmaceuticals are not the cause of obesity in our country.
    The cause of obesity in the USA is PBFs (precious bodily fluids).
    The cause of obesity in Germany between 1939 and 1944 was Bayer aspirin. In 1944, Dr. Theo Morel, at the suggestion of the physicist Heisenberg, promoted the secret reduction of a tablet of aspirin from 325 mg. to 323 mg., and that country's obesity problem ceased to exist.
    This solution is depicted in numerous photographs taken in concentration camps during 1945.

    November 20, 2011 at 7:21 am | Report abuse |
  11. wrong

    Wrong again, Joey. If those pharmaceuticals were not capable of making people fat and stupid, their label warnings would not say CAUTION: This medication is for short-term use ONLY. Any long-term use may result in permanent brain damage. Nor would their labels mention weight-gain as a side-effect. If these drugz couldn't make people fat and stupid, their warning labels wouldn't say that they could. And really...if a person can't even control how much food they shove-down their pieholes, there's no way they could possibly control how many drugs they take.

    November 20, 2011 at 7:37 am | Report abuse |
  12. http://www.truthinlabeling.org

    @Joey. I invite you to goto this website and learn about a group of over 3 million Americans who have raised over 19 million dollars to finance lawsuits against Big-Pharma and Big-Fooda for NOT telling US exactly what it is that they are putting in our goods and medicines. MSG is in all kinds of products...from infant formulas to pharmaceuticals, this addictive additive has been found...and is being exposed. I may be all alone here on CNN exposing this stuff, but not alone in America. (hay...and if you care to, donate a dollar to us while you are there. thanx)

    November 20, 2011 at 7:51 am | Report abuse |
  13. Joey Isotta-Fraschini

    @ Philip E. Bayer:
    Wrong yourself.
    Werner Heisenberg, who was awarded the (wonderful) Nobel Prize in 1932, made an exemplary contribution to Germany's unsuccessful bid for Welt domination in WWII, in the physicist's failed attempts to deliver an atomic bomb for use by the Reich.
    The other factor in Germany's defeat was the use of smaller light bulbs in Buckingham Palace during the war, which lowered the Sovereign's electricity bill considerably, contributing to England's war effort by enabling the military forces to buy 323 mg. Bayer aspirin.

    November 20, 2011 at 7:55 am | Report abuse |
  14. 123456789

    Why didn't you just stay gone?

    November 20, 2011 at 8:03 am | Report abuse |
  15. http://www.truthinlabeling.org

    Hardy har har. Real kneeslapper there, Joey. Simply ignoring the truth about Big-Pharma and Big-Fooda will not make our own nationwide obesity epidemic that has spread even to our own children go away. (nor does ignorance of a problem make people smarter) Kinda like just making fun of me has not resulted in myself going away. Now go pop some more pills that make your urine expensive, and bang some more roids already. Leave us serious news bloggers to discuss these serious issues like adults RATHER than like your own inner child's behavior demonstrated here daily. ty 🙂

    November 20, 2011 at 8:12 am | Report abuse |
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