Overheard on CNN.com: Marine urination video draws thousands of story comments
A video purporting to show U.S. Marines urinating on dead bodies has sparked a huge conversation on CNN.com.
January 12th, 2012
03:43 PM ET

Overheard on CNN.com: Marine urination video draws thousands of story comments

Editor's note: This post is part of the Overheard on CNN.com series, a regular feature that examines interesting comments and thought-provoking conversations posted by the community. Due to the provocative nature of this story, comments on this post will be disabled at the end of the day.

The story of a video purporting to show U.S. Marines urinating on dead bodies has generated thousands of fiery comments. Our readers were split between those who were outraged by this action on the deceased, and those who felt we should not be too quick to condemn the soldiers. One one hand, the commenters suggested we could be arming oppositional groups with fodder for anti-U.S. rhetoric. But there were many who said the video is a coarse reflection of the brutality of war and didn't want people to feel negatively about the military.

Shock, outrage over Marine urination video

We've seen a pretty even split of comments, with outrage and frustration expressed on all sides. Here's some of them. For example, this reader says this video, if real, shows an isolated event.

Dhamre: "A handful of young Marines did something really stupid and decided to film it. This isn't the defining moment of our history, or a reflection of all men and women in uniform."

Below is a sampling of some of the discussion we saw about whether the stresses of war help explain the Marines' actions.

Wilburchitow: "To all those who want to try and morally equivocate please stop. Yes we know the enemy has done far worse, but it is no excuse to partake in these types of actions. Our military is better than this and I know when found they will face justice!"

Allfight: "Maybe. But I hope they go very easy on them because they are doing a job that few can do let alone will do. They probably lost friends along the way. Like it or not. It's natural to hate someone that is trying to kill you. Anyone who says otherwise probably was never in that situation."

The following reader said she had lost a loved one in war, and felt the urination incident was an insult to the sacrifices the military makes.

boobush: "Sad that many of you missed a basic grade-school lesson of two wrongs not making a right. I am not a naive bleeding heart here; someone I loved very much was shot dead by a sniper in Iraq almost 7 years ago. My life is forever changed. However, someone urinating on a dead body will never bring him back. This is just another propaganda tool for the Taliban, and we just gave it to them. I would hope we would strive to be better than our enemy."

Matt6571: "Good Call. I've been around the military my whole life as well. Growing up and serving the last 22 years myself. I have lost friends in this war and have been there three times. You have my respect and appreciation."

boobush: "Thank you. I understand people have hard feelings here, but I feel so strongly about this. It is much harder to not act this way. I come from a military family, and have the utmost respect for all who serve. This is not a way to honor those who have served; especially not those who made the ultimate sacrifice. Of course, we are all entitled to our opinion."

But this commenter dared his fellow writers to endure the realities of war.

Midnitejax: "To all of you that are 'outraged' or consider this barbaric I say this: Put your boots on and climb into the sand box. When you have been in combat for a few weeks, and you smell of urine, sweat, and the blood from you or a fellow soldier then talk about the humanity of war. When you see children and corpses used as road blocks for IEDs, then talk about the humanity of war. When the stench of death permeates the air around you day in and day out, then talk about the humanity of war. Urinating on a deceased enemy that a few minutes earlier was trying to kill you is somehow minute in the scheme of things. Lopping off heads and slitting throats is somehow not barbaric?"

Several readers cited videos that had been released in the past, which showed people including journalist Daniel Pearl being beheaded as cameras rolled. They said this incident is minor in comparison. Others said that doesn't matter because the U.S. military must adhere to a higher standard than the Taliban and al Qaeda.

CrakHedMac: "I remember the string of beheading videos from a couple years ago and I suddenly don't find this urination that bad."

F0st3rs: "U.S. troops are held to a higher standard, even if it hampers their ability to win. Urinating on the corpses of the enemy does not meet that standard or create and advantage to win. It is plain stupid to do it, and even more stupid to video the deed."

This reader said the enemy is ruthless.

shaydenfroyd: "While taking a break from beheading infidels, stoning women and children to death, and blowing-up mosques and burning school houses, a spokesman for Taliban/Pakistani ISI voiced disgust at this 'inhuman' behavior."

But there were several readers who theorized that this video could provide ammunition for the enemy.

PotandKettle: "Just because they choose to behead captives doesn't mean we sink to their level by pissing on their dead. They just made the jobs of those still deployed that much more dangerous by giving hostiles this piece of propaganda to easily recruit more to their cause. How to you convince somebody whose country your occupying, that you have their best intentions in mind when there is a video circulating around of somebody wearing your same uniform pissing on their fellow man's corpse? Forget American law, forget the UCMJ, if this is found to be legit, these individuals need to be handed over to Afghanistan authorities. Complete disgrace to those serving and those who have served."

Some of the responses came from people claiming to be military veterans. These readers had very diverse and divergent views about the video, with some saying it's understandable in the harsh environment of war and others feeling the footage is a disgrace to people in uniform.

Guest: "I am a veteran, come from a long line of military, have family members actively serving, some in the Middle East. I was expecting some comments in support of this vile behavior, but I am shocked at the number of people defending these soldiers. 'But what about the beheadings?' they say? Well I'll tell you about them, they are on the same spectrum of indecency, immorality and disrespect as this disgusting behavior. Blind nationalists spout, 'We support our troops no matter what!' Like that is to be admired and Americans can do no wrong. Ignorance and stupidity is what that is. Same as with the pics out of Abu Ghraib a few years ago. When we bring ourselves to the same level as our 'enemy' we are no better than they are. And guess what, we are not better than they are. I do not want my country's troops performing acts like these in my name. Bottom line, at the risk of being cliche, 'two wrongs still don't make a right' and only morons and those with a low moral compass believe that they do. These soldiers should be punished, it is absolutely shameful and doesn't reflect decent human codes of behavior during peace or war time."

pdough: "Guest - I doubt you are a veteran. But even if you are, it doesn't make you right in your opinion, which you are certainly not. I'm also a veteran and I can tell you that what you witnessed on the video were a group of young warriors who were simply exemplifying comradarie and a complete disdain for a cowardly enemy after disposing of them as a mortal threat on the battlefield. It's not blind nationalism but true patriotism from which those posting here in support of the marines are speaking. The military isn't perfect and those in uniform are never beyond reproach. But there comes a time when you have to pick a side, recognize who your team is and hold all criticism until the last bullet is fired. Not to do this only provides moral support and solace to our enemy which is reprehensible and shameful on your part."

nonnobis: "A soldier's job is to obey all lawful orders and maintain the ability to kill and destroy the enemy without remorse or a second thought to the merits of their cause. A soldier must be a fanatical fighting machine both physically and mentally and that means treating the enemy with contempt until they are all vanquished."

Thoughtocrat: "Thanks for your service. Those who are justifying these acts have forgotten our fundamental values, values that make us different from the rest. These marines have essentially recorded a 'recruitment video' for the Taliban and (al Qaeda), and as an American, I am ashamed of their acts."

These readers said we cannot be like the Taliban.

Vynn: "As a career soldier, it has always been my view that my enemy is as committed a soldier to his own nation and cause as I am to mine, and he deserves my deepest respect and just treatment. Soldiers who do not understand this are not soldiers, but are thugs in uniform who should never be allowed to serve in any capacity. I want these men found and court marshalled, and banned from further service, and branded with the dishonorable discharge they have earned by their disgusting actions in this video."

shockerwhoa3: "I can see a lot of people on here just want us to be like the Taliban. Pissing on the dead bodies of the enemy, cutting off the enemy's head, and pretty much everything the Taliban does. We hold ourselves to a higher standard than these terrorists. Time for people to understand that."

ChefCHEESE: "Well said. Most people here dont know any thing about the standards a serviceman/woman needs to hold themselves up to. This is not standard conduct but like in any organization we have a few bad examples and it only take a few to give everyone a bad name. I am sure the Marine corps will do the right thing and punish these four men, as it is their image that is on the line and the whole world is going to be watching."

The discussion turned into a debate about whether war is necessary.

daddy2010: "Consider this: Who forced them to 'boots on and climb into the sand'?"

Guest: "Thanks for perfectly making the case against war. People need to remember what war is really like and what happens to the brave men and women that we send off to fight. The first casualty of war is often our humanity."

Finally, the readers in the following exchange talked about soldiers being small parts of the bigger war.

OmarComin: "If anything, they should urinate on the politicians that betray them and act like they don't exist when they (if they) return from war."

ThomasHenley: "Half of these guys joined the military after playing to much Halo and Call of Duty, and it shows in these guys of actions. They have been bred into a culture of violence and death where humanity is reduced to a one-dimensional representation in their minds. Pretty tragic all the way around."

cordero13: "How do you know this is how they grew up? Why not say thank you to the servicemen that fight for your freedom. Yeah, some do stupid things, but not all."

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  1. Patrick, Florida

    HOW DARE ANY OF YOU....compare this....with OUR MARINES!

    islamizationwatch.blogspot.com/2009/04/video-taliban-slaughter-pakistani.h t m l

    January 12, 2012 at 6:11 pm | Report abuse |
  2. ron

    urinate crap on them dirty terrorist killers ,they dont deserve anything else .

    January 12, 2012 at 6:11 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Peter

    If the comments were evenly split, why is the headline linking to this article from the front page entitle 'Comments: Anger over urination video'? Tells half the story, I guess. Or the story the 'journalist' or whoever wants.

    January 12, 2012 at 6:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • nsaidi

      Mainly because there's a lot of anger on all sides of the issue.

      January 12, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Patrick, Florida

    Defecation versus Decapitation – The Lame Stream Media is actually comparing the two!


    January 12, 2012 at 6:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • James M

      The corpses in this particular grave decapitated who, exactly? Please be specific. Also, how does any of their actions excuse these Marines from the standing order against posting videos to YouTube?

      January 16, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
  5. ed

    Watch Homeland on HBO, 1st season, episode #4. You will see the Taliban urinating on the American. Think he got reprimanded, I doubt it. True, we should not be doing it, we, the Marines are better than that but it does happen on both sides. Interesting that HBO shows first.

    January 12, 2012 at 6:13 pm | Report abuse |
  6. ed

    Someone should tell the secretary of defense to strap a weapon and go out with the Marines see if he would be singing that same tune... Come on! Give them a break, see what or why they are so stress and hang them out to dry! They are being shot by these assholes and now the Government wants to hang these brave man who did one mistake....

    January 12, 2012 at 6:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • James M

      At least two mistakes: Disrespecting superior officers (who I have little doubt gave no order to do what we see in the video), and far more serious, posting a video from combat onto YouTube, against which there is already a serious standing order. The urination is secondary, posting a video to YouTube can already lead to a life sentence.

      January 16, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Report abuse |
  7. ed

    Opps, it's on Showtime..Homeland

    January 12, 2012 at 6:14 pm | Report abuse |
  8. svscnn

    Meh. When ya gotta go, ya gotta go.

    January 12, 2012 at 6:14 pm | Report abuse |
  9. gino

    thanks been wanting to do since 9/11 never forget

    January 12, 2012 at 6:15 pm | Report abuse |
  10. steph

    this is digusting and un-american. looking at the bigger picture, i agree with the US gov't pulling out of iraq when we did, on account of not coming to a military immunity agreement for actions such as this. if this happened in iraq after jan 1, these soldiers would be in an iraqi court, subject to their laws & punishment – no benefit of a "US military investigation."

    January 12, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Report abuse |
  11. becks

    Maybe we need to go back & look at footage of folks jumping out of the WTC to escape the fire. Or maybe talk to surviving relatives of the firemen, flight crew, port authority workers & countless others who were lost that day. For those who think the video makes them hate us, hate to break the news to ya, but our mere existence makes them hate us. They hated us on 9/11, they hated us last week, they'll hate us next month, next year...the contents of this video are undoubtedly tame compared to what they would do and have done to us as well as their own.

    January 12, 2012 at 6:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • James M

      Which of the people in this particular grave participated in 9/11?

      January 16, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Report abuse |
  12. POD

    The proper protocal here is to bury them ....with all due respect.....AND then piss on their graves

    January 12, 2012 at 6:18 pm | Report abuse |

    May all the Americans who want to condemn these valiant Marines remember the innocent Men, Women, and Children who were killed by these Same Taliban in the planes and World Trade Center Towers. May their deaths be now on your souls for you condemning the same troops that are defending you. They were only trying to quench the fires of HELL that these evil Taliban are enduring... If you don't agree may you and all the news media who are decrying these events have the same evil that the Taliban brought to all the 911 persons be brought on you !!!

    January 12, 2012 at 6:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Wow bro

      you're an idiot religion is the reason that they are fighting this retarded war lets leave religion out of it as i can point out 99 problems with hell god and your religion

      January 12, 2012 at 10:01 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Evelyn

    Who are we to judge our soldiers who are fighting in Afganastan and who may/most likely have been attacked by the Taliban, and had comrades die next to them? We cannot sanitize war. Let's not show our anger over this war at our own brave soldiers. We weren't there and don't know what went on...

    January 12, 2012 at 6:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • James M

      These men are being judged by other active duty Marines who have served much more combat duty in Afghanistan. The outcome for them is going to be quite harsh, and not because of posters on CNN blogs, but because of the Marine Corps whole tradition of strict discipline, UCMJ's stance on obedience of orders (such as the one that forbids posting videos to the internet), etc. You don't want to be in the room with the senior officer they are inevitably going to have to listen to. It will not be quiet, but they will be silent.

      January 16, 2012 at 4:36 pm | Report abuse |
  15. reality man

    This is tame compared to other stuff. Both sides have committed atrocities. That is war. Taliban has put decapitated heads on posts, as has US Marines. USA has put hundreds of Taliban in cargo containers to toast in the sun. War is H E L L. That is why you don't go to war lightly.

    January 12, 2012 at 6:20 pm | Report abuse |
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