February 7th, 2012
03:32 PM ET

Toobin: What Proposition 8 ruling means for California, other states

Editor's note: Shortly after a federal appeals court ruled against California’s voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage Tuesday, CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin answered questions about the implications of ruling and his reaction to it.


Proposition 8, the initiative passed by voters in 2008, is unconstitutional, a violation of the rights of gay and lesbian people who want to get married.


No - not yet. The 9th Circuit panel left a stay in place that will continue as long as the defendants in the case continue their appeal. Since the defendants have indicated they will continue their appeals, it is likely to be months before same-sex marriages may resume.


Not really. The background of the two judges in the majority, and the questions they asked in oral argument, suggested they were leaning this way. The rationale is somewhat surprising. Instead of ruling that there is a constitutional right to same-sex marriage in all circumstances, the court issued a narrower ruling. The judges said that the peculiar circumstances in California - a right to same-sex marriage withdrawn by a vote of the public - was unconstitutional.

Editor's note: California voters approved Proposition 8 in 2008, superseding a ruling by the California's Supreme Court, which had allowed same-sex marriages in California before that.


I think the narrow approach in today's decision makes the case less likely to be reviewed by the Supreme Court. The court applies general principles that apply across the United States. Because this case only deals with the unique circumstances in California, I think the Supreme Court is less likely to review it.

So the good news for same-sex marriage supporters is this decision may mean that a conservative Supreme Court will decide not to take the case.


Not directly, because it deals only with the unique circumstances of California. But if this decision stands, it will mean that approximately one-fifth of the population of the United States will soon live in states with same-sex marriage. That's an enormous change from zero states a decade ago. By the standards of civil rights battles, that's extremely fast change.


My best guess is that this decision will be the last word, though we will not know for sure for several months. I think it will be upheld in the 9th Circuit, but it will not go to the Supreme Court. It will not create a national precedent. But there are 39 million people in California - that’s a lot of people to have same-sex marriage. Technically, the decision applies only to California, but a victory in the nation's biggest state can create its own momentum.

soundoff (885 Responses)
  1. Manuel

    Why bother to vote? 9 unelected people will decide the fate of Prop 8.

    February 7, 2012 at 6:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Butt Hurts

      Just like it was nine unelected people who decided the fate of this country for eight years back in December 2000? Bet that decision was peachy-keen with you, huh?

      February 7, 2012 at 6:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • balls

      better than 7 million uneducated voters who are bigots.

      February 7, 2012 at 6:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • jason

      7 million bigots? typical liberal, everyone who disagrees is bigot , racist blah blah, get a life

      February 7, 2012 at 6:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Max

      So much better than a mob of people who believe in a bronze age war god.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • gorn by any other name

      The Mormon church funded the Prop 8 campaign. I think we should put Mormon doctrine up for a majority vote.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • james

      gorn, don't you have a buttless chaps party to go to?

      February 7, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • gorn by any other name

      James it doesn't shock me that you have buttless chaps on your mind. I'm sure you can find a pair in your closet.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • james

      .gorn, aren't you late for an anonymous bathhouse encounter? it is getting close to dark..........

      February 7, 2012 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • gorn by any other name

      James, your continuous references to gay activities really belies your true thoughts.I don't make such references, but then again I'm not gay. Maybe you should come out of the closet and be done with it.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • james

      " but then again I'm not gay" surrreeee you're not. don't they ever give you people new material besides the "oh you must be in the closet" whenever someone disagrees with you?

      February 7, 2012 at 7:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • gorn by any other name

      James, there is not a single word in anything I've posted to indicate that I am gay. By contrast, your every post drips with gay innuendo. I'm in favor of simple equal rights, but by your "logic" anyone who makes a comment in favor of equal rights therefore must be gay. Your obsession on the topic (e.g., references to buttchaps and bathhouses, subjects I know nothing about, but for which you clearly have great awareness), not to mention your gender confusion with your Jennifer alter-ego, speaks volumes about your psychological state.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ben

      Yeah, possibly the only nine people in the federal government who are immune to being bought off... As a liberal, I'd rather trust the conservative-leaning supreme court than whatever shadowy corporate lobbies have bought our legislatures.

      February 7, 2012 at 10:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Big Generator

      Hey manuel,

      Thats the whole point.
      It never should have been put up for a vote,
      You cannot vote away somebodys civil rights.
      Its u-n-c-o-n-s-t-i-t-u-t-i-o-n-a-l..........
      what part of that do you not get ?

      February 8, 2012 at 8:31 am | Report abuse |
  2. Tom Tucker

    "the questions they asked in 'oral' argument, suggested they were 'leaning' this way." Leaning this way, indeed. Heeyyyy!

    February 7, 2012 at 6:36 pm | Report abuse |
  3. OnlyAmerican

    So much for the will of the people

    February 7, 2012 at 6:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • SFC Mike

      Jim Crow was the "will of the people" too. There's that funny thing called "equal protection"

      February 7, 2012 at 6:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • McBain05

      I think Mike got you there.

      February 7, 2012 at 6:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • ManWithThe1000PoundBrain

      Well, it was the will of the people that put segregation in place in the south and made marriage between blacks and whites a felony.

      February 7, 2012 at 6:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • sqeptiq

      Slavery was will of the people. Should we still have that?

      February 7, 2012 at 8:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ken

      For a good long while, slavery was the will of the people. Maybe 52% of the people shouldn't try to limit freedom for all.

      February 7, 2012 at 11:53 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Truthhurts

    Liberals belong to the Church of Hollywood. Now bow and worhip the elites.

    February 7, 2012 at 6:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Risky

      From your many post, I noticed that you generalize alot. I bet if I called you a racist, the probability of me being correct is fairly high.

      February 7, 2012 at 6:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • gorn by any other name

      Apparently you prefer religious elitists rather than judicial elitists. Either way, you are following men in fancy robes.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • GHale

      Yes "Truthhurts" seems an appropriate moniker. Something must be causing your severe aversion to it.

      February 7, 2012 at 10:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • tiredofitall

      You are a typical low intelligence voter.

      February 7, 2012 at 11:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap

      Maybe your butt hurts,
      there is NO truth in your posts.

      February 8, 2012 at 8:35 am | Report abuse |
  5. sonotso

    Next thing you know they will be wanting the right to vote, own homes and go to church; I tell you it's just going crazy out here!

    February 7, 2012 at 6:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • tiredofitall

      It is insane. Can you imagine, people, mostly little, have rights! How dare they! Just who do they think they are!

      February 7, 2012 at 11:12 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Pan3

    Equality for All!

    February 7, 2012 at 6:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Hyper

      What s the right that these people say they don't have? From what I see, they have the same right to marry that I have. Or do they want some "special right" which seems like they do?

      February 7, 2012 at 7:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Flappy

      Hyper. Believe it or not they just want the right to marry same as everyone else. Not some "special" right. I think you may be confused. Do a google search on Prop 8 and read up on it. I think that should help.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • jacksays

      That's the whole point here, they don't have the same right to marry as you.

      February 8, 2012 at 6:29 am | Report abuse |
  7. Risky

    its 2012. Hell doesnt scare people that live in reality.

    February 7, 2012 at 6:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • TexDoc

      Reality is for those who can't handle science fiction.

      February 7, 2012 at 10:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Just!ne


      February 8, 2012 at 8:16 am | Report abuse |
    • Brad

      That's really a shame, because it should.

      February 8, 2012 at 8:16 am | Report abuse |
    • STEVE

      reality doesn't scare people that are familiar with hell

      February 8, 2012 at 9:50 am | Report abuse |
    • phoenix86

      Not yet anyway.

      February 8, 2012 at 12:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • STEVE

      No reality frightens anyone who understands hell.

      February 8, 2012 at 12:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • fortyfive

      You don't control what happens after you die, God is in control of eternity, it goes by His rules. Revel in your free will He has given you now, you'll give account for how you used it later.

      February 8, 2012 at 12:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • fortyfive

      You don't control what happens when you die, you've been given a free will for this present life which you call reality. But you are not in charge of eternity, and it doesn't run on your own terms.

      February 8, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • zeke123

      You're not in charge of eternity

      February 8, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • fortyfive

      test post #3

      February 8, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
  8. sonotso

    By the way, to the "burn in hell" guy. There are worse fates than that; they could be forced to live on the same planet as a bunch of hate mongers. Wait, they already do; mission accomplished; no need to send them to hell.

    February 7, 2012 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • james

      no actually it is worse but we are forced to live with perverts who try to foist their immoral unnatural lifestyle on the rest of us. by the way drop the jim crow nonsense blacks are even more opposed to gay marriage then whites. it offends my black friends when gays equate themselves to blacks.....

      February 7, 2012 at 7:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • gorn by any other name

      James, I think you miss the entire point of the Jim Crow analogy, which is not surprising. That the alleged black friends you pal with are bigots is not surprising, because bigots tend to gravitate toward one another. I'm not sure why that would make you proud. In any case, in my 50+ years I have yet to have any "perversion" "foisted" upon me. Your hatred and paranoia is a sickness and you should seek help.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Flappy

      You have friends?

      February 7, 2012 at 7:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sailor's lover

      "foisted?!" Are you receiving a lot of gay marriage proposals?

      February 7, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
  9. So wait

    These moderators... Geez...

    February 7, 2012 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
  10. 2tor

    What it means is, voters no longer have rights. All you have to do if you disagree, is find one of the leftist appellate courts, and your done.!

    February 7, 2012 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Max

      Maybe if people weren't trying to vote other people into misery, we won't need judges to stop them. That is why we have judges. We are ruled by law, not the will of the masses. The masses liked slavery and Jim Crow too.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Flappy

      I'd like to put a bill on the ballat to take away conservatives right to vote. After all if the majority agrees on something then it must be the right and legal thing to do.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pj smith

      Worked for the righties in 2000....

      February 7, 2012 at 10:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • tiredofitall

      I agree with Flappy. Eliminate the vote of the right. They are loony and should not be allowed to vote or marry or they will procreate causing yet more destruction.

      February 7, 2012 at 11:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Watcher

      Slavery and Jim Crow were self-perpetuating because they specifically made it difficult for the people being oppressed to make their case to the electorate. No otherwise eligible voters were prevented from voting in Prop 8. Gay people were perfectly free to make their case and they failed in accordance with the procedures in place. They wanted a special privilege, and the people of California didn't want them to have it. A majority didn't want the right to marry someone of the same sex. It's that simple. Typically for leftists, when the democracy they claim to cherish goes against them, they just find a way around it. How many times do we hear lefty politicians cite polls to claim popular support for their causes? Well, it's all BS.

      I'm sure when Obamacare gets tossed by the Supreme Court, those same lefties will be the ones decrying the courts ignoring the will of the people.

      February 8, 2012 at 1:54 am | Report abuse |
    • jacksays

      Since when is the simple act of "getting married" a special priv? I have it. Why am I so special? What makes me more special that my gay friends who cannot have that same right? What is so special about this right that only some are allowed to have it?

      As for HCR, totally different animal. And it wouldn't surprise me to see the current SCOTUS kill some parts of it. After all, they allowed Super PACS to flourish unabated. HUGE mistake of far greater import than "gay marriage."

      February 8, 2012 at 6:34 am | Report abuse |
  11. jennifer

    gays and liberals are so predictable and smug. whoever opposes their pet protest of the day is a hillbilly, rightwinger, racist, bigot, ignorant etc. the gall of these pretentious boors. foisting their ridiculous ideas on everyone. no happy meal toy, free the enslaved whales, gay rights. what nonsense!

    February 7, 2012 at 6:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Risky

      From what I can tell, you're one of the things you listed.

      February 7, 2012 at 6:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • james

      and you prove my point smug liberal............

      February 7, 2012 at 7:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • gorn by any other name

      Ahhh, Jennifer, every word in your post paints you as a pretentious boor.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • gorn by any other name

      By the way, it's interesting that "James" posted that it was "his" point, when the original post was made by "Jennifer". More evidence that James/Jennifer needs to come out of the closet and deal with his/her gender confusion.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Flappy

      I'm all for giving happy meal toys to gay white whales. Thanks Jennifer.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rainbow Stud

      Hugs Jennifer, from your gay fans.

      February 8, 2012 at 8:42 am | Report abuse |
    • Rainbow Stud

      #### I noticed that also......

      gorn by any other name

      By the way, it's interesting that "James" posted that it was "his" point, when the original post was made by "Jennifer". More evidence that James/Jennifer needs to come out of the closet and deal with his/her gender confusion.

      February 8, 2012 at 8:43 am | Report abuse |
  12. Next

    Okay, let's get the ball rolling on incest and polygamy now. Same arguments apply. "It shouldn't matter what consenting adults choose to do or who they love."

    February 7, 2012 at 6:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • gorn by any other name

      Yes, we should get the ball rolling on those issues. Are you afraid those prohibitions are not defensible under scrutiny? How cowardly.

      There are no valid reasons against gay marriage. There are at least a couple of valid reasons against adult consensual incest (birth defects) and polygamy (an unequal contract is inherently abusive). Only an intellectual coward would be afraid to discuss the merits of any behavioral prohibition and prefer taboo by fiat.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:27 pm | Report abuse |
  13. sailor

    God made Adam and Eve not Adam & Steve. Sodom and Gmorrah is an example for you "pink flag" folks to thing about. Come to St. Louis and act silly like you do in CA. CA is truly the land of fruits and nuts.

    February 7, 2012 at 6:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Butt Hurts

      In order: God didn't make man or woman, man and woman made God. The sin of Sodom, according to most Biblical and Talmudic scholars, was the fact that the people of Sodom did not extend hospitality to the angels, not gay smexy times. And I know a lot of gay men in St. Louis, including some who would beat the tar out of a sailor.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Risky, Troll Mode

      God spelled backwards is dog.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • jaymes53

      Can you think of anything new to say? Better yet, can you think? Right, you let the herd do it for you. Typical conservative.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • gorn by any other name

      California is also the land of your god, Ronald Reagan. Perhaps you forgot that in bumpkinland.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sailor's lover

      Sailor, God spoke to me and said he no longer wishes to be associated with you... He also told me to build a tower in Babel, kill my kid and to invade Iraq.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • capnmike

      "God" didn't "make" ANYTHING. There ISN'T any god...religion is a human invention. None of that fairytale nonsense exists...WAKE UP

      February 7, 2012 at 10:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • AdmiralGod

      Right on Capn mike. Sounds like sailor is lonely. Throw him in the focsle. Let the drugs have at him.

      February 7, 2012 at 11:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • jacksays


      so, um, exactly where did gay people come from? Being gay they can't exactly procreate and yet they haven't died off in thousands of years. So, logically, your God is making Adam and Steve, isn't he/she?

      And don't hand me the ol' argument "being gay is a choice" – who would EVER choose this persecution as a way of life if it were truly a choice?

      February 8, 2012 at 6:38 am | Report abuse |
    • Rainbow Stud

      Hello Sailor, hang around the docks much ?
      Soddom and Gammorah is not a gay story.
      If you believe the Adam & Eve story, all of mankind is from incest.
      If you like using that book, you should at least read it.

      February 8, 2012 at 8:49 am | Report abuse |
  14. AnneS

    The most depressing thing I have seen in all of this discussion is the ridiculously high number of people making comments that clearly have no idea of the role of the courts and the way our country is actually governed. What ever happened to basic civics courses? The people making comments to the effect that the "will of the people" has been ignored, or suggesting that the courts should not make rulings in this situation, should stop voting until they go back and learn some basics.

    February 7, 2012 at 6:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • sailor

      Send them on friend. We have lots of beautiful women here in St. Louis who might make a man out of your kind.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • gorn by any other name

      St Louis? So you are offering a crime-infested stinkhole in trade for a santorum-greased stinkhole?

      February 7, 2012 at 7:14 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Max

    Hell? Is that some place in Georgia? You do know there's no Santa Claus, right?

    February 7, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • PraiseTheLard

      What do you mean? When I came back from the beach I had Sandy Clothes...

      February 7, 2012 at 7:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • RealityChecker

      That's funny coming from the clowns that think they can try to overturn the will of the majority of Americans. You better put some extra padding on your rectum on election day. Payback of 2010 was just a warmup!!!

      February 7, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Butt Hurts

      You cannot count yourself and the beings that live in your head and state that the total is a "majority of Americans". For all we know, the beings that live in your head are illegal immigrants. And let's see where you are on the morning of November 7th. You'll probably be eating breakfast, only allowing a single, malformed tear to emerge, as you go off to your dead-end low-paying job, ready to see that soul-crushing day merge into the others you've experienced.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      Because Mitt will really turn out the GOP vote. Perhaps you should reconsider.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Butt Hurts

      I'll pay any amount of money to see you on the morning of November 7th, shedding one single manly tear for your "dead" country into your corn flakes as you get ready for your job at the quick lube. And I'll still be partying.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Benjamin J. Douthett

      You do realize the Tea Party is basically on life-support, right?

      February 7, 2012 at 8:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Eric

      The majority of Americans now support gay marriage. In the 18-35 demographic, SEVENTY percent support gay marriage. All the old folks who were alive when gays had to hide in shame and Jim Crow laws were enforced are dying off at a rapid clip.

      It won't matter soon whether it's by the courts, legislatures, or by popular vote (except in the South of course).

      February 7, 2012 at 8:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • America47000

      A majority of Californians supported Prop 8. So what's your point? If a majority support something, we should have it; if a majority don't support something, we should have it anyway?

      February 7, 2012 at 10:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • Greg

      What would you prefer, watch that whale gov christie writeand sweat in bed or two svelte gay dudes in bed?easy choice.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • leeintulsa

      @greg: umm.. none of the above?

      February 7, 2012 at 10:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Caroline W

      Again with the majority BS. Prop 8 passed by FOUR PERCENTAGE POINTS. Four percent is not significant.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • michael

      The funny thing is is you thinking you're still the majority. Guess you haven't seen the polls lately, eh?

      February 7, 2012 at 9:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • randy

      lets have a vote to steralize inbred white trash rednecks present company included

      February 7, 2012 at 10:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Nate

      This comment is pretty gay, considering it came from a bigot.

      February 7, 2012 at 10:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      I am an undecided – but the data does not support your bluster; it will be razor thin and a wild ride – no one knows where this is going, you do not even have a nominee yet. Stop pretending you can see what no one can.

      February 8, 2012 at 1:16 am | Report abuse |
    • cja

      What if the majority voted to re-institute slavery of some minority group? So YES reason for the courts to exist is to over turn the will of the majority when they vote to create un-constitutional laws. So not only can they too it but that is why we have courts

      February 8, 2012 at 1:30 am | Report abuse |
    • Derek


      February 8, 2012 at 8:33 am | Report abuse |
    • Sailor's lover

      I'm pretty sure Hell is in Alabama.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • SFC Mike

      No, it's in Somalia.

      February 7, 2012 at 7:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • lilred

      No, its in Texas.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • jeb

      It is Alabama.

      February 8, 2012 at 1:31 am | Report abuse |
    • Republican for Obama


      February 8, 2012 at 8:28 am | Report abuse |
    • Come Get Some

      Drop in for a visit and you'll find your Deliverance!

      February 8, 2012 at 8:48 am | Report abuse |
    • nick

      actualy its in michigan, near battle creek . did you know hell freezes over every winter? (except this winter)

      February 8, 2012 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • sqeptiq

      It's actually a few miles north in South Carolina.

      February 7, 2012 at 8:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • leeintulsa

      @max: of course there's a santa claus.. how sad it must be to be you..

      February 7, 2012 at 9:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Scott

      Hell is in Michagan.

      February 7, 2012 at 9:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Amy from Michigan

      love your response!

      February 8, 2012 at 3:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Stopabortion

      for sure you don't know about the Bible, I pray for you

      February 7, 2012 at 10:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • capnmike

      Read it...it's an interesting collection of fairytales, interspersed with a few historical factoids to make it more believable, but the bottom line is that it's a bunch of superstitious babbling, lies and nonsense written by highly superstitious people and re-written by a bunch of churches who simply want to control peoples' minds...and I see they did a really good job on yours.

      February 7, 2012 at 10:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • jacksays

      Don't pray for me, pray for the NFL. C"mon, the bible says we're not allowed to touch the skin of a pig on the Sabbath so those guys are toast!

      See what happens when you take only what you want from Bible passages?

      February 8, 2012 at 6:26 am | Report abuse |
    • serdich

      ..aa..the book that said its OK to sell your daughter to slavery ? the one from the bronze age ? Nope I have not red it.

      February 8, 2012 at 6:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Consider

      The Bible. What's that? An edited work taken by men from a selection of literary submissions. Only four books were chosen out of over twenty submissions (with considerable discrepancies), written by various men over a considerable period of time.

      February 8, 2012 at 1:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe Rioux

      Yes, please keep praying. Because that changes so much in the world.

      February 8, 2012 at 1:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • rmj9116

      So did you actually stop and pray for this person or these people? If so, there's no reason to post this comment. Just say your prayer and be done with it already. And if not, then your comment "I pray for you" is simply used to degrade those it's directed at ...probably not what prayer was intended for.

      February 8, 2012 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Flippy

      and I'll think for you

      February 8, 2012 at 3:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joey Isotta-Fraschini©™

      Unaware One, everybody knows about the Bible. More and more human beings every day are realizing that the Bible is just another best-selling book, as is any first reader about the exploits of Jack and Spot.
      Hm...now there's an idea: Jack and Spot...I wonder what Mae West could make of that concept.

      February 10, 2012 at 6:05 am | Report abuse |
    • tiredofitall

      Yes it is, Gwinnett county to be exact. I think karen handle is from there.

      February 7, 2012 at 11:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Put up or STFU

      Come down to Georgia and say that, coward.

      February 7, 2012 at 11:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Hoodie

      Get back to your cross burning.

      February 8, 2012 at 8:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Hoodie

      Aren't you late for a klan meeting?

      February 8, 2012 at 8:36 am | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      I'm here now. In Fulton County. Care to make a date with a Marine?

      February 8, 2012 at 2:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • Gemini

      You're right Santa Clause is a fraud.......like you!

      February 8, 2012 at 1:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Southern Celt

      Since its Kitchen in in New York I'd bet the rest of it is there too.

      February 8, 2012 at 8:49 am | Report abuse |
    • MMKAY

      But what about the guy at the mall?

      February 8, 2012 at 8:58 am | Report abuse |
    • john

      Santa Claus, Indiana.

      February 8, 2012 at 9:00 am | Report abuse |
    • Vince

      Georgia....Mississippi...Texas...basiclaly any of the states that are in the bottom 15 in terms of education...take your pick.

      February 8, 2012 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Katie K

      Hell is a little town in Michigan. It's actually quite pleasant.

      February 8, 2012 at 1:36 pm | Report abuse |
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