Texas 'navy' to patrol the Rio Grande
Texas will deploy a fleet of six gunboats on the Rio Grande.
February 29th, 2012
02:11 PM ET

Texas 'navy' to patrol the Rio Grande

Texas is getting its own navy.

Next month, the state's Department of Public Safety will deploy the first of a fleet of six gunboats on the Rio Grande, the river that forms the border between the state and Mexico, CNN affiliate WFAA-TV reports.

The 34-foot-long boats, each powered by three, 300-horsepower outboard engines, will have bulletproof plating and six machine guns apiece, not unlike the river patrol boats the U.S. Navy used during the Vietnam War.

The vessels will be able to operate in as little as 2 feet of water, according to the report, and will work with U.S. Customs and Border Protection to combat drug smuggling coming across the Rio Grande.

"They're finding out when those people are coming across, and one of the things they need to be able to do is interdict them on the water," Texas state Rep. Paul Workman told CNN affiliate KVUE-TV when the first of the boats, the JD Davis, was christened in December.

"If you're trying to suppress organized smuggling activity, there's no substitute for putting people on the ground," Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steven C. McCraw said at the December ceremony. "The way they're operating right now, you need them on the water as well."

"It sends a message: Don't mess with Texas," Jose Rodriguez, a regional commander of the Texas Department of Safety, told WFAA.

The six boats will be named after Texas state troopers killed in the line of duty. The first was named after Jerry Don Davis, who was shot and killed in 1980. Another, to be commissioned Thursday in Austin, will be named in honor of  trooper David Irvine Rucker, who was killed in 1981, according to The Brownsville Herald.

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  1. RealGunOwner

    That's a nice looking boat. It's not the first. One of the Parrishies in Louisiana uses similar boats. They also have an automatic grenade launcher on one.

    February 29, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • kmac

      Does the Parish patrol an international border/water way. Maybe we should send these boat to the Straits of Hormuz.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:32 am | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      The photos I saw of the first boat did include an Mk19 grenade launcher.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:39 am | Report abuse |
  2. Patrick A

    Shouldn't this fall under the scope of the US Navy?

    February 29, 2012 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • WeDon'tMatter

      Well, you would think Coast Guard, but if Texas wants to take the initiative...

      February 29, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Would BeNice

      A lot of people have wondered why the Army and Navy don't do more about border security. The simple answer is that it's illegal. Look up 'posse comitatus' on google.

      February 29, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • cedaly1968

      Posse comitatus does not apply (specifically) to the Coast Guard though.

      February 29, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • luckjoe

      Probably should be covered by the US Navy, however, Obama embraces illegals and after all he is the commander in chief. God love us.

      February 29, 2012 at 5:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • HM

      no. Just like Fish & Game / Coast Guard / etc. have boats. they are protecting U.S. water & property

      February 29, 2012 at 6:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Country Doc

      Cannot use Navy (posse camitatus act). However, the US Coast Guard falls under the DOT and could probably be used.

      February 29, 2012 at 8:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • AGuest9

      USCG is under DHS, no longer DOT.

      February 29, 2012 at 11:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • USCGguy

      U.S. Customs and Borders and U.S. Coast Guard

      March 1, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • 1stSgt-Topkick

      No. The Rio Grande is considered an inland, US waterway. The Navy patrols only in off shore oceans & international waters.

      March 1, 2012 at 7:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • blondief

      When the Federal Government fails to protect it's citizens it is up to the citizens to protect themselves. If the state does not take action the citizens eventually will.

      March 4, 2012 at 8:35 am | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      While on active duty with the Marines, I worked some with JTF-6, which was a joint command that functioned as a liaison between the military and civilian law enforcement, primarily the border patrol. Presidents Reagan and Bush decleared illegal drug trade a threat to national security; therefore, the U.S. military was able to conduct training exercises along the U.S./Mexico border. Drug traffickers and illegals are not going to try to sneak through a military exercise and as a result were funnelled to waiting Border Patrol agents. The number of drug traffickers and illegals coming across the border went down. Then, under the Clinton administration, program was cut back and is now all but gone. Since this was maintaining security along an international border, it did not fall under posse comitatus and was not considered martial law or military enforcement of civilian laws.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:38 am | Report abuse |
    • Kenny

      Department of Homeland Security (i.e. Coast Guard, Customs/Border Patrol, etc.), yes, State Militia's (State Law Enforcement), yes. U.S. Navy? NO. Forbidden by a little thing called "Posse Commitatus".

      July 2, 2012 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
  3. mikrik13

    It is shameful the US government doesn't have the ability to protect our own borders but can go all over the world at the drop of a hat to spend our money and soldiers lives in no win situations, in unappreciative countries, with no benefit to the American people. Best of luck to you all!

    February 29, 2012 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      This is unfortunately very true. /sigh, only 259 days left....

      February 29, 2012 at 4:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • Reality Checker

      @John. You think this problem exists because of the current administration? Really?

      March 1, 2012 at 1:54 am | Report abuse |
    • Tacitus Talks

      Since this Administration is in power and it is not fixed, yes reality checker, it is the fault of this administration.

      March 1, 2012 at 2:41 am | Report abuse |
  4. fernace

    As a Texan I have to join you in your laughaton, Greek American! Guv'nah Goodhair only knows how to disenfranchise the people of his state & how to keep the rich, rich or richer! This has nothing to do w/the war on drugs & everything to do w/the war on humans! I'm not in favor of illegal immigration, but I am in favor of humane methods of controlling our borders! No electified fence, no armed to the teeth boats! There's just too much of a temptation to open fire!!

    February 29, 2012 at 3:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • larry simpson

      well heck yeah! we shoot snakes don't we?

      February 29, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • WeDon'tMatter

      Doesn't say much for your confidence in the fine law enforcement officers of your state, for your own safety don't go near the water.

      February 29, 2012 at 4:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • ray

      you texans are a joke imagine claiming pride in being tuff. and you let filthy mexicans in every day. either your cowards or have no shame cant figure which really...

      February 29, 2012 at 4:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      They do not have any reservations about shooting our Border Patrol Agents.

      February 29, 2012 at 5:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Aaron

      fernace, I'm sorry, but you jus't dont get it. The boats are to combat drug smugglers who are heavily armed. There's a reason they are bullet proof.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:16 am | Report abuse |
    • catmomof13

      HumaneShooting armed drug runners....this is a bad thing??? HOW????Humane? Are the illegals being "humane" when they sell drugs to your kids that result in them being addicted, drying? Humane when they rob and shoot an elderly farmer? Break into your home or car? Is it "humane" when our tax dollars pay for the free care they get, healthcare, food stamps, welfare, education, when our elderly are living in tent cities? Shooting criminals who are committing crimes to enter this country or to bring drugs into it is a GREAT idea! If these vermin realize that they can't come here and prosper at the expense of the US taxpayer, only the honest person who wants to immigrate legally and become a contributing, productive member of our society will come. And THAT is a GDOOD thing!

      March 1, 2012 at 9:35 am | Report abuse |
    • USMCRETIRED2009

      Humane way of controlling the border, are you serious. That's the reason why things have gotten out of hand. Mexicans are shooting at our officers, that are patrolling on American soil. How long do we have to put up with their BS. Some time you have to play by their rules. Do anyone care about our border patrols that get shot at on a daily basis, and they are on US soil. I don't have an issue with immigration, I do have a problem with illegal immigration. Wheather you agree with the law or not, its still the law. I've seen personally how the illegals tear down the farmer crops, leaving trash and debris, and now they are shoot at our border patrol officer.How humane do you remain. Fight fire, with fire, its simple as that.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:57 am | Report abuse |
    • 1stSgt-Topkick

      @Ray:

      YOU appear to be the joke. You don't give evidence of knowing common 4th grade English. YOU are ignorant of spelling ("tuff"), proper grammar ("texans" & "your" instead of you're – for "you are"), and punctuation. Keep believing in Rick Santorum. He's looking for the uneducated for his cabinet after he gets your support in the election.

      March 1, 2012 at 7:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • blondief

      They need to open fire. How about if you try swimming across to the south? Or how about just going for a joy ride on your jet ski with your wife in the river and get blown away by the cartels?

      March 4, 2012 at 8:38 am | Report abuse |
  5. John

    Hey! I know an Admiral in the Texas Navy!!

    February 29, 2012 at 4:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • mac

      Buck Owen was in the Texas Navy, Go Texas:), and i'm from Idaho

      March 1, 2012 at 11:25 am | Report abuse |
  6. Texas Armed River Deployment Ships

    Waste of time and money.

    February 29, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Matt Range

      So is your life, but you're still around.

      February 29, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Report abuse |
  7. vatoloke

    No match for the better-armed cartels. Is this a joke by Goobernor Death or what?

    February 29, 2012 at 4:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • ep tor

      Nothing an RPG from the Mexican side can't take care of. Or even a remote controled high speed floating IED or shore launched shallow water remote controlled torpedo. These cartels have millions just for play money – they've even built their own submarines. And it's usually the redneck yahoo's that volunteer for these "shoot'em" type jobs – exactly the type that shouldn't even get a licence for a slingshot. Hope the only collateral damage is these clowns blowing themselves out of the water.

      March 1, 2012 at 2:04 am | Report abuse |
    • Tacitus Talks

      As I recall, the Anglos defeated the Mexicans every time the came up against them. Look at the Mexican War, EVERY BATTLE against the Mexicans, they outnumbered the American force EVERY TIME, and they were beaten EVERY TIME. They are just animals that use slaughter. Any time they would come up against a better organized force, they would be slaughtered.

      March 1, 2012 at 2:44 am | Report abuse |
    • Earnan

      The cartels aren't so tough when they're facing real cops and real soldiers.

      Took dozens of them, with all their AKs and RPGs, to kill one old man - Alejo Garza Tamez - armed with just a few hunting rifles, and he managed to take four of them with him.

      Vatopendejo and his pals would be in a world of hurt if they go up against the Texas DPS "Navy."

      March 1, 2012 at 3:51 am | Report abuse |
    • 1stSgt-Topkick

      Tacitus Talks:

      I am sure that Sam Houston, Davy Crockett and Jim Bowie will all agree with you from their graves down near the Alamo...

      March 1, 2012 at 8:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • 1stSgt-Topkick

      @JOSE0311USMC:

      The problem. my friend, is that the cartels can (and have) used grenades and other small arms without limitation. US law enforcement limits the kinds of weapons they possess and their use (note the armed and ARMORED bank robbers in N. Hollywood vs the LAPD; LAPD was terribly outgunned in scenes right out of the movie "HEAT". I was there).

      It will be interesting to see what the US LEO response is should our people (and these boats) come under heavy small weapons fire as the international terrorists are using (and selling).

      March 1, 2012 at 8:07 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Luigi

    I see some macho balls a'growin' here

    February 29, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Greek American

    @fernace
    Sorry, I wasn't trying to rip Texas or anything, and I agree with what you say. I also know from seeing multiple television programs that drugs and violence are a big problem in this area and I hope they can start to work successfully against it.
    By the way, I live in Michigan so please do not feel so bad about being a Texan because this state is no star, hahahahahahaha.

    February 29, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Aaron

      fernace is about as educated on the matter as you are. you see it on tv, fernace ignores the reality in her face.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:19 am | Report abuse |
    • blondief

      To: Greek American. Perhaps unlike you, we Texans are proud of who we are. Texas can survive without the other states. However, California and the northern states can not survive without Texas.

      March 4, 2012 at 12:03 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Texas Ranger

    Who will lead the fleet? Chuck Norris or Sylvester Stallone?

    February 29, 2012 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • WeDon'tMatter

      Ahhh, a geriatric navy.

      February 29, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Mike w

    Sounds like some good ol' boys just wanted a license to hunt and kill illegals, this will do nothing to stop the drugs or cartels. More money wasted on the drug war we've been losing for decades.

    February 29, 2012 at 4:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • Huh?

      ...and all the money in the world won't stop you from wising up either but you still lhave access to the internet....

      March 1, 2012 at 1:17 am | Report abuse |
  12. Mike Chilling

    This will only send the smugglers back until the boat goes by. Law enforcement will not pick up anyone in the river and can/will only do something once they hit our shore. Even if they land and return to the water they will back off. So I say this is just a show.

    February 29, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • glyder

      is it the same show the federal government and u.s. border patrol put on?

      February 29, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
  13. hd1340st

    seems to me this is what the u.s Military should be doing in texas protecting our borders. instead were protecting a foreign country whole sole purpose is to kill as many U S soldiers as they can.

    February 29, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Archie

      I could not agree with you more. Use the military to help with law enforcement issues, patrol borders, secure airports etc etc etc.

      February 29, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • tom

      100% agreed. well said.

      February 29, 2012 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Matt

      See the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.

      February 29, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • WeDon'tMatter

      Its a Coast Guard issue but we save Federal tax dollars if Texas picks up the bill by doing it themselves.

      February 29, 2012 at 4:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed in 1878. the Act limits the powers of local governments and law enforcement agencies in using federal military personnel to enforce the laws of the land. and requires that any order to use federal troops must come from Congress

      February 29, 2012 at 4:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • NDS

      I agree we shouldnt have our men and women being slaughtered to protect a useless country, the military is NOT for policing. Next step would be to have the military assist police in our streets...

      February 29, 2012 at 4:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Marco

      The Posse Comitatus makes it illegal for military forces to act in a police function without an act of Congress.

      February 29, 2012 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Crazy Texan

      Hard to believe Rick Perry allowed the purchase of this oversized bass boat. He fired 49,000 teacher.

      February 29, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Hayley

      Matt knows what he's talking about...

      The Posse Comitatus Act prevents the US military from being used as a domestic law enforcement organization. Only the US Coast Guard and National Guard units under state authority may act in that manner. Otherwise, all the other branches are prohibited from doing so either through Posse Comitatus or DoD regulations.

      February 29, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • John

      Posse Comitatus from 1878...gee, no chance that's outdated and current needs weren't anticipated by Congress back then?

      Yes, Posse Comitatus needs to be amended to allow the US military to patrol our borders - along Mexico, Canada, Cuba, etc. - with the Border Patrol handling assuming custody of folks "arrested" by the military.

      And as a Texan...I don't like this because it means my state tax dollars are being diverted to do a job which is the responsibility of the Federal Government.

      February 29, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • LearnTheLaw

      The US Military cannot operate within the Unites States. The only was this can happen is if the President declares Martial Law and that is not going to happen in this case. We could put the Coast Guard out there instead as they are not DoD, but instead are DHS. I think that border security is a federal responsibility and not that of each state. That said, Texas shouldn't have to be doing this nor should these use the National Guard without being Federalized, which brings up the whole Martial Law thing again.

      Basically this needs to be a DHS function, not a state function and certainly not the US Military which is trained to fight and kill not guard things.

      February 29, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Huh?

      Ummmm...'John' – That act is relevant to today because it keeps the Federal Government from using the military to suppress our citizens as the British military did back when this country was forming. It is so relevant that without it we would be living in martial law at the whim of our elected officials...and don't think for a minute itwouldn't happen if they had the power to do so; just look at what they do to us now...

      March 1, 2012 at 1:22 am | Report abuse |
    • James Nasium

      Wrong. Posse Comitatus does not apply to Naval or Coast Guard Units. Those are apparently prevented from securing our borders due to a decree by the DoD ... which can just as easily be lifted.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:15 am | Report abuse |
    • 1stSgt-Topkick

      There'll be NO US military involvement in "law enforcement issues" as you describe since that would make America look like Nazi Germany in WWII. Besides, I (and a bunch of other 2nd Amendment types) didn't do our service to allow that.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:12 pm | Report abuse |
  14. a Steve

    I poo'd in space
    Save a pretzel for the gas jets
    I want a fleet of super-fast armored gunboats to patrol the Rio Grande

    February 29, 2012 at 4:18 pm | Report abuse |
  15. stanton

    STOP THE ILLEGALS FROM COMING HERE FOR A FREE LUNCH AT OUR EXPENSE BUBA!!!!!

    February 29, 2012 at 4:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joshua Ludd

      What free lunch? They can't get welfare, unemployment, etc.. and most of them work quite hard at jobs you would never do for wages that are unbelievably low. At least have some idea what you are talking about.

      February 29, 2012 at 6:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • HM

      Right and they don't pay taxes but have access to a lot of services that the taxes pay for. No denying that the majority work their *ss off.

      February 29, 2012 at 6:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mikey

      actually many not only pay taxes, they don't file to get refunds. Ignorance is bliss

      February 29, 2012 at 6:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mr. N.

      They DO pay taxes. Please go and read about the issue before posting.

      February 29, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • rugbytv

      Not really true. Many jobs require workers to present an ID before being hired. Illegals often have fake IDs to get hired, but the taxes are still pulled out, and the worker can't claim the taxes due to the illegal status.

      So, in reality, many of them actually do pay taxes. Add that to working their butts off, and you have people getting a raw deal.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:49 am | Report abuse |
    • RED SOLO CUP

      THEY GET ALL THAT AND MORE IN CALIFORNIA !

      February 29, 2012 at 6:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • phred

      Well, since California supports most of the rest of the US, including your fat ass, STFU.

      March 1, 2012 at 1:41 am | Report abuse |
    • Sharkfisher

      They sneak across the border and find someone to hire them and pay them cash under the table. Then they apply for welfare. They live off welfare and send their untaxed wages to Mexico.I have nothing against anyone who enters legally but the rest should be kicked out as soon as they are found and shot if they come back the second time.

      February 29, 2012 at 6:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tachoman

      And you get to do it from your shiny new boat! Just watch the beer doesn't spill!

      February 29, 2012 at 7:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • rastaman44

      Thatis a lie. I

      Illegals do not get WELFARE or try to get WELFARE, azzwipe.

      This sia fact, teaturd

      February 29, 2012 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • wk84

      Right on

      March 1, 2012 at 1:33 am | Report abuse |
    • jim

      Wish your plan was in place. The US could save $Trillions in Illegal Alien Costs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      February 29, 2012 at 9:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Heartkisses46

      wise guy... Illegals don't get any government benefits . It's whites who are the majority sucking up welfare and who are in poverty more. Do some research wise guy ... Mexicans are not the only illegals

      February 29, 2012 at 9:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • sWIVCO

      I'M WITH U BROTHER!

      February 29, 2012 at 9:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • anonymous

      Moron, you need a US citizenship or legal residency to apply for welfare. Personally I say, instead of nation building across the world why not help improve conditions in Mexico. So that Mexicans can prosper in their own nation. I'd rather do that than wage idiotic wars anyway.

      March 1, 2012 at 12:42 am | Report abuse |
    • FluffyBunny

      Or a fake ID.

      March 1, 2012 at 7:55 am | Report abuse |
    • RDH

      What about our emergency rooms and schools and child welfare systems? At least in California they get a lot of freebies on my tax dime. I don't mind them being here, just do it legally and pay your way. Our welfare system is a mess as it is. And stop buying/stealing others social security numbers to get jobs I know plenty of Americans would do. I'm tired of people saying they do jobs Americans won't–that's simply not true.

      February 29, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Harrison

      The only welfare system we got is the one for Romney!

      February 29, 2012 at 11:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • medstudent

      Funny because it's AMERICANS in THE RED STATES that use the most welfare – FACT.

      February 29, 2012 at 11:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • More Ammo Please.

      Maybe along the border its that away but come up North and see whats happening for yourself.They live like kings up here.We have to adapt to them.God forbid if we don't accommodate one of em.
      BTW I am not against immigration as long as its legal. Let em come on over.

      OH yeah when was the last time you saw any prices drop due to cheap labor. Thats right NEVER. OK AMIGO I am done .Youre turn.

      February 29, 2012 at 7:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • rivera

      Right most of these dumb ignorant people talk a lot but they look stupider because they do not even know the facts. Idiots

      February 29, 2012 at 8:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bulkythedog

      Pot, meet kettle....

      February 29, 2012 at 9:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • wk84

      Stupider?

      March 1, 2012 at 1:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Country Doc

      Easy solution: Stay home until you obtain a legal visa

      February 29, 2012 at 8:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Beltway Insider

      Illegals cost the US billions -schools, hospitals – lost taxes -they are on the free ride and they are ILLEGAL.

      February 29, 2012 at 9:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • matt

      And prisons

      March 1, 2012 at 1:50 am | Report abuse |
    • <3

      Everyone gets that you idiot.all hospitals are required to provide aide to anyone and public schools are for the whole public free of charge.o and if anything the native americans should be the ones running all of us off.

      March 1, 2012 at 7:36 am | Report abuse |
    • elvisisALLah

      Have you been to McDonalds? Your kids will not get the job if they dont speak spanish, what bull. Mid management pays pretty well.

      February 29, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • acyork50

      You believe everything you are told? Good boy – now fetch some brains!

      February 29, 2012 at 10:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Troy

      Bullspit. Our social wellfare and law enforcement programs are being taxed to the max by illegals, they crime they bring with them, and the crotch fruit they drop on this side of the boarder that majically become citizens by virtue of hitting the ground a few hundred yards north of the Rio Grande. Those that do work drive drown wages for everyone else. Any "do the work that others won't do" effect that does exist would easily evaporate if we ended the left-wing socialist nonsense that allows people to live comfortably by mooching off the rest of us.

      February 29, 2012 at 10:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • pogojo

      False, we have seen many many examples of them taking advantage of american tax payers.

      February 29, 2012 at 10:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • dc

      Are you for real? Wake up & smell the coffee...... Free healthcare, They use a fake SS# to get food stamps, welfare & low rent housing, most pay no taxes, including income and SSA/Medicare, No car insurance, etc.. They do a helluva lot better than a legal resident barely scraping by on minimum wage, or just over, and paying taxes, health insurance, car insurance on it!

      February 29, 2012 at 10:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Zelli

      They get free education for their children, they go to the food banks and their children get many free services. They go to our hospitals and sit in the ER for free healthcare with no intention of paying.. I worked in the Hospital system for many years you tell me they're not eating up local and state services??? Come move where the illegals live lets see how rosy it is for you.. Those that come here legally to educate themselves and make a better life I'm all for it. Those who come here illegally and have NO intention of adding value to the community that's where I have a problem! How many Hispanics do you know that have been here for 20+ years but still speak little to no English? If we did that in another country even Mexico.. you'd be ostracized.. and for good reason.

      February 29, 2012 at 11:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • RICO Informant

      Them illegals tried to smuggle a boat load of dope onto the beaches of Malibu's Leo Carrillo State Park nine days ago (Feb. 20) and got BUSTED by the US Coast Guard in the wee hours of the morning... Doing the job that Americans do not want to do (go to jail). Should have blown them and their boat right out of the water as the crew tossed the bundles of dope into the Pacific Ocean. Those retards must not know about the US Navy's Fleet in San Diego or it's base a few miles up the coast from Leo Carrillo. There has been 7 busts at that state park in the past year.

      February 29, 2012 at 11:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • AGuest9

      Visit an ER, and see!

      February 29, 2012 at 11:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • ThinkAgain

      Very well said. Sadly, the person you replied to is obviously too dumb to get it ...

      March 1, 2012 at 12:23 am | Report abuse |
    • Huh?

      But they can get drivers licenses to drive on roads they don't pay income taxes to have built or maintained – and send their kids to our schools that they don't have to pay to have built or maintain....That's a pretty frickin good lunch if I DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT MYSELF.

      March 1, 2012 at 1:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Chicago Paul

      Agree

      March 1, 2012 at 1:31 am | Report abuse |
    • mark

      Legally they can't get welfare and all of that but they manage to come up with social security cards and ID's and then steal the benifits. So yes they can. If you think it isn't so go to an area that has a lot of illegals. It will be an education for you.

      March 1, 2012 at 1:40 am | Report abuse |
    • socalgina

      They DO get welfare, and all the other benefits from State, such as Medi-Caid, and the also get Food Stamps.They have been doing this with fake ID's for years !!! And the part about them doing jobs that Americans will not do? They are driving down the wages of American jobs. Also, have you ever been into your local county or state government offices? I know many Americans who would want to work there, but the positions are FILLED by people who can barely speak English. Yet, if we apply, we would be expected to be "fluent" in Spanish !!

      March 1, 2012 at 1:54 am | Report abuse |
    • celticbeauty

      Joshua, You need to get your facts straight. Illegals are getting MANY services you are obviously not aware of. I recently lost my job and had to apply for several things I'd never gotten before. The forms I filled out for free lunch, Oregon Health Plan (Medicaid) and energy assistance to pay my electric bill all say "you do not have to be a US citizen to qualify for these benefits". Obviously you have not gotten to the point where it has been necessary to apply for social services yet. You are lucky. It is eye opening when you discover the reason states like Texas, Arizona, California and Oregon are flat broke. These illegals and their massive amounts of young children have overwhelmed the system and there's nothing left for those of us who've worked and paid taxes our whole lives only to find there's nothing for us when disaster strikes and we find ourselves needing to apply for food stamps, etc. And illegals don't "just" do the jobs no one else will. You're obviously one of those people who want to believe they are all slaving away in the fields picking produce, etc. This is not true. It is true that they work under the table so when they apply for social services they claim to have no income. That's how they qualify for everything. I have to show a copy of my taxes and provide check stubs to even get an appointment. I'm sick of it! I worked for 17 years at the same job, but I made $13 too much to get help. They lie about having no income so they qualify for the maximum amount of assistance available. Something's very wrong with this system. Bottom line is, you may not want to believe it, but they do get free lunches, housing assistance, food stamps, energy assistance, health insurance, WIC, etc. They are even eligible to receive social security benefits whether they've ever worked or not. Add this up when most households have 5-8 or more members. Food stamps for six with a zero income is over $1000 a month. No wonder so many states are literally in bankruptcy. If you don't believe it, take at a look at the applications for these programs. It's BS to say the least.

      March 1, 2012 at 2:08 am | Report abuse |
    • SoCalAmerican

      Shows what you know. In California, they have overrun the state. They DO get welfare, not only healthcare which pays 100% for the anchor babies, but food stamps and cash aid too.....and the Dept of Human Services actually has flyers in their offices stating in english and spanish that DHS is NOT ALLOWED to ask their immigration status. Won't even go into the WIC they get too which provides most of the formula, baby food, milk, cheese, milk etc.

      They have 8-10-12 people living in one house, and all having babies and collecting welfare! Then when they are old enough we educate them too in spanish.

      March 1, 2012 at 3:37 am | Report abuse |
    • Earnan

      You forgot the part about "call 911 if you've got the sniffles, getting a free ambulance ride to the ER and free medical care." Sure, it's not "free"... They'll get a bill that they'll never pay, and that the rest of us will end up paying for with our taxes.

      You also forgot the part about "don't need a driver's license or insurance to drive."

      You could also maybe mention that those "jobs no one wants" are being paid under the table in untaxed cash, or the illegals are using phony names and someone else's Social Security number, causing endless tax and benefits problems for hundreds of thousands of American citizens and legal residents.

      How about a fair trade, Josh? We let an illegal stay, and deport you to Mexico?

      March 1, 2012 at 3:37 am | Report abuse |
    • aviator

      What kool aid you drinkin son? Being treated for free in the ER is NOT welfare?

      March 1, 2012 at 5:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Bob

      Where have you been? They DO get welfare, free medical subizdised housing, reduced or free college and much more. You've been listening to Obama to long and stop thinking for yourself. Educate yourself. If you and many others would do that we might get a president that cares abour America and not one trying to build a country of free loaders. "ANYBODY BUT OBAMA IN 2012"

      March 1, 2012 at 6:58 am | Report abuse |
    • angel611

      What a bunch of baloney you posted,
      Illegals get as many or more benefits as American citizens.
      In California, illegals can do get money for college.

      March 1, 2012 at 7:24 am | Report abuse |
    • lori

      they get free health care for the anchors and their mothers, including vision and dental with braces, within a month of applying in Tennessee. Free school lunches, free after school lunches, free summer lunches and dinner for the entire family. Reduced internet charges at $10/mth. That's a lot of money, much more than welfare, as you mentioned. I would suspect there a lot more freebies if you know how to milk the system. Free education with English instruction...

      March 1, 2012 at 8:06 am | Report abuse |
    • Common sense over fear.

      @ Joshua Ludd
      @ mford662315

      Yes they can and they do. They use stolen SS numbers for one. I’ve been approached and asked if I would be willing to ‘sell’ my SS to an illegal here in FL. I reported them to my employer (they were part of the cleaning crew) but the quite before anything could be done about it. The can also get free health care in my places simply by going to the emergency room. I realize these people got a bad hand in life but that is their responsibility not ours. And you fools that think illegals are (only) harnessless hardworking people are as brainwashed as the right-wing nuts who think they are the devil.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:36 am | Report abuse |
    • finicky

      Yes they do get benefits. even if the parents are not eligible, the children are! And what about medical care we all pay for? I can not be seen because I cannot afford insurance. I cannot afford neccessary medication to keep me alive, but they all get free health care and meds1 How is this right???

      March 1, 2012 at 8:47 am | Report abuse |
    • brad

      your kidding,right ? Here in columbus they get everything they need, drivers liscenses, welfare, medical aid. Go research california. Ive lived there and seen what type of help they get

      March 1, 2012 at 8:53 am | Report abuse |
    • Sagebrush Shorty

      If you think that illegals cannot obtain welfare or unemployment you are sadly mistaken. President Carter even authorized Social Security for illegals.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:02 am | Report abuse |
    • spud4853

      I think the one who needs to know what their talking about is you. They get a "free lunch". I've seen it first hand. I'll agree that SOME of them work hard.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:05 am | Report abuse |
    • numbers guy

      They also attend our schools, visit our hospital emergency rooms, drive on our roads, tax our law enforcement etc. There presence here is not without financial and social consequences to our country. I'm not anti-immigration but I am definately anti-ILLEGAL immigration. We cannot just suck up the expense of every individual who decides to stroll across our border. Get real.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:35 am | Report abuse |
    • ES

      40% of Houston popuation are of mexican descent at this point. I assure you, not all of them are hardworking and humble and many have learned how to work the system. it is only new immigrants that don't know. But then they find a nice american-mexican girl to marry (an anchor kid), get citizenship as well and voila.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:52 am | Report abuse |
    • jam

      You are WAY off. They come here pregnant and live with A legal relative. Illegal kids go to school and can eat three meals a day. . They all get free healthcare. An illegal makes almost the same as a legal laborer. The difference is that the employer does not take taxes out or match them. You must be from up North. Come to Houston. Learn spanish first.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:03 am | Report abuse |
    • Bob

      Actually, they get all sorts of benefits. And I am SO tired of the "you wouldn't do the work" comment. Did you know there where people that mowed lawns before the illegals? But an American has to have insurance and pay workers-comp and they have to compete against illegals that don't.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:18 am | Report abuse |
    • USMAC

      Come to New York Joshua they get everything , do your home work i work for the government so i see duh with your remark USMAC

      March 1, 2012 at 10:26 am | Report abuse |
    • Judge

      Very true, USMAC. What we need is a president who can ignore the lobbyists and deport all illegals. I mean, "illegal" is the key word here.

      March 1, 2012 at 1:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dave

      Ah I beg to differ on that, I got letter from local school here about "Free Breakfast/Lunch" program. For some reason I read it and didn't toss into the trash. On the back it had a "FAQ" list of questions, one was "child is illegally here can I still get free lunch?" Answer was YES you can. So I found out later that it wasn't the school doing that but our Government!

      March 1, 2012 at 10:38 am | Report abuse |
    • west coast

      yep, other than filling up the jails, free education for their children, instate tuition rates at many colleges, (rates that average citizen from another state cant get ) getting free health care at emerency rooms, having politicians pander to the latino vote due to their inevitable citizenship and occasionaly killing someone , its great having them here!

      March 1, 2012 at 11:06 am | Report abuse |
    • John

      LA County spends a billion dollars per year on just the medical expenses of the children of illegal aliens. LA's schools are filled with children illegally in the US.

      March 1, 2012 at 11:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Chris

      Josh, dont be so harsh towards Stanton, he is just repeating what the little talking heads on Fox told him to repeat.

      March 1, 2012 at 11:29 am | Report abuse |
    • David

      They steal SSN and they do get welfare. tehir children eat lunches at school and attend that school on our dime not theirs. And spare the reponse that they do jobws we wouldnt..We have plenty of well fare takers who are americans rthat should be put to work for teh city doing those jobs to earn their hand outs. It just maeks sence. Something the left doent have any of.

      March 1, 2012 at 11:31 am | Report abuse |
    • Coastal Texan

      Yep. Free lunch. My wife and my sister both teach in public schools and have multiple students here illegally. Not only are they taught through English as a Second Language programs, but they DO receive a meals at no charge. In my book that's a free lunch (you know, because they don't pay=free).

      March 1, 2012 at 1:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Texmex

      So basically you're saying that we must let those kids starve to deathso no more illegal kids will come over. Why should this kids pay for the sins of their parents? Your soul is sick.

      March 1, 2012 at 2:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bill

      Naive much Joshua? Illegals are getting free housing, free lunches at schools and free medical care in our hospitals, try reading the news and read the complaints of the people against the Alabama laws who are so mad the state is taking away benefits from illegals. Wake up and see whats going on in your own country and stop being so naive about the "benefits" that illegals supposedly give us.

      March 1, 2012 at 2:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chuck

      We have been hearing the LAME story for decades, but yet they still keep coming, now over 20 million ILLEGALS,, they have children here, which we PAY for, they get WIC which we pay for, as well as assistance from private agencies, and when they are put in JAIL, we pay for it... so dont tell me how bad they have it here

      March 1, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • IAmAnAmerican

      Yeah no doubt what free lunch? If he's talking about the food pantry, anyone can go there, you dont have to be Hispanic. Jerk. Criminals are the problem, not people who want to immigrate. Make the Visa process easier, and its simple, any criminal arrest and you are denied. Then, lend support to the Mexican law, to be able to arrest the drug criminals, etc.

      March 2, 2012 at 7:39 am | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      Do schools turn their children away, do hospitals refuse to treat them? Just asking...

      March 2, 2012 at 11:11 am | Report abuse |
    • JJ

      I've been in the construction industry for 30 years and pretty well know what I'm talking about. Decades ago, the hard jobs paid good money just because they were hard, and there were always enough people willing to do the work. Now these jobs pay dirt low wages that no one will do the work for. It's because of the inflow of illegal immigrants and the greedy criminal contractors who hire them that we can't get Americans in the industry any more. Where did we ever come up with the idea that hard physical labor should pay next to nothing? It used to

      March 2, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • kmkeefer

      False. There are many ways for them to recieve government beneifits- especially medical treatment and food stamps.

      March 3, 2012 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • patriot dad

      Joshua, you are mistaken. Texas does not require a social security number for welfare, they get free medical and can request a "LoneStar card" . And FYI, my property taxes went up 30% this year due to illegal immigrants getting free education.

      March 7, 2012 at 9:52 am | Report abuse |
    • miguel

      Their brood are instant candidates for welfare including section 8 housing,food stamps, and medical.
      2 illegals = a legal (or plenty more)

      March 7, 2012 at 11:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • mford662315

      What free lunch are you talking about?

      The only free lunch they could get is if their EMPLOYER breaks the law when hiring them; paying cash and not taking any taxes out. MOST employers require ID to work for them, and even with a fake ID taxes still get taken out – taxes they'll never be able to claim for unemployment or for any other handout. Don't worry Stanton, they're taxes are still covering YOUR unemployment though, and your Medicare/Medicaid too.

      February 29, 2012 at 6:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bulkythedog

      Their illegal children get free school lunch... Study up there smart guy.

      February 29, 2012 at 9:10 pm | Report abuse |
    • Aunt Joanie

      Finally, someone explains the way it really works. Thank you.

      February 29, 2012 at 11:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Unavialable 1

      Actually, they don't pay any taxes, that's a fallacy pushed by those that don't know what they are talking about. I've done taxes for a living so I know the truth. First, they use a fake or stolen social security number. Secondly they claim five exemptions and what that means, is they don't get any monies withheld in Federal and State taxes. They never file at the end of the year and then the employer gets a notice from the IRS stating the SSN isn't correct, but the IRS never follows up. Sure they pay into SS and Medicaid, but that is the only tax withheld. They then use our roads, use our schools, where we pay extra to teach them English as a second language and they then flood our ER rooms like they are their very own personal doctors office.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:01 am | Report abuse |
    • David harter

      They do not pay my medicare I paid that for the last 50(FIFTY) years.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:51 am | Report abuse |
    • truthhound

      nice...lol...yes...those taxes that most conservatives don't want raised.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Mike Miller

      There kids get welfare and medicaid. Then they work for cash and drive BMW. Come to South Texas and visit any medicaid dental or medical office, all the patients drive nice cars and have Iphones, but can't afford to pay for healthcare

      March 1, 2012 at 10:36 am | Report abuse |
    • Mary

      Do you live on the border? We do. Mexico is about 7 or 8 miles down the road and across the Rio Grande from our neighborhood. I'm glad to see my tax money being used in this way; Gov. Perry has repeatedly asked the federal government for at least 5,000 boots on the ground and nothing has been done. So us Texans will take care of the problem ourselves.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • blondief

      You're are so misled. Are you from Freekafornia?

      March 4, 2012 at 11:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Mikey

      About as ignorant as you can get...

      February 29, 2012 at 6:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Peter

      thank you!

      February 29, 2012 at 6:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Uh yea

      ...spoken like a true substance abuse user.

      March 6, 2012 at 1:59 am | Report abuse |
    • Starstuff

      Actually the lunch you ate today was made by an illegal alien... if we get rid of them you'll die of hunger.

      February 29, 2012 at 8:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chicago Paul

      You are right!

      March 1, 2012 at 1:33 am | Report abuse |
    • dreamer96

      Don't forget to tell Tyson Foods to stop running ads on the radios, and TV channels, and in the newspapers in Mexico, in Spanish, for jobs at their U.S. meat processing plants...

      February 29, 2012 at 9:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Katherine T

      Good point.

      March 1, 2012 at 1:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Brian Paone

      There's nothing wrong with a US company advertising in Mexico to hire legal immigrants.

      Bottom line – the unlawful entrant makes the final decision themselves to enter the country illegally. As such, they bear the brunt of responsibility for their actions.

      If a foreign national doesn't want to respect our laws, then they have no business being here. Period.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:58 am | Report abuse |
    • HPNIII

      Exactly right, every employer thinks that every other employer is causing the problem not them. Raise the stakes for using illegals and you will see the number of job opportunities go down as will the number of illegals, just that simple.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:01 am | Report abuse |
    • justin

      yes Tyson does suck in that aspect... nothing like working 16 hours a day 5 to 6 days a week for minimum wage, no medical benefits and then getting canned so illegals can come work in your place for under fed. min. wage.

      March 4, 2012 at 2:16 am | Report abuse |
    • rideallday

      Why because they are taking your free lunch? Remind me again what you did that was so amazing that gained you American Citizenship? Your mother cr*pped you out.....

      February 29, 2012 at 10:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • ThinkAgain

      If AMERICANS weren't willing to break the law by hiring illegal aliens, THEY WOULDN'T COME, BUBBA!

      March 1, 2012 at 12:21 am | Report abuse |
    • Reality Checker

      Exactly. No money = no motivation.

      March 1, 2012 at 1:51 am | Report abuse |
    • ep tor

      Huh? Free lunch? Illigal yes, but most of them work harder than you ever will. I'd suggest going after illegal drug importers and violent criminals befor chasing after maids cleaning toilets and tomato pickers.

      March 1, 2012 at 1:50 am | Report abuse |
    • catmomof13

      The problem is they no longer want to work as maids and landscapers, they are in violent gangs that commit crimes and sell drugs. I don't know how it is where you live, but a few years ago my town was invaded by thousands of illegal Mexicans. Our crime rate had been quite low, which is most likely the reason they came here as its rural and they figured we didn't have the police manpower to control them. Crime skyrocketed. We had hundreds of cars being broke into, drug use became rampant, as we suddenly had a huge influx of MS13s supplying them. Houses are being broken into, and violent, armed robberies increased from almost none to hundreds. The plain, hard, cold fact is, when they catch someone doing these things, 99% of the time, it's an illegal Mexican. Our property taxes increased to pay for ESL courses in our schools, as well as the welfare , food stamps and free medical care and housing they get. Deport them and they slither right back. It's time to arm our border guards, allow them to shoot and actually ENFORCE our laws! Make it impossible to work or rent when they get here if they are not legal. Disbanding the 287g program was a HUGE MISTAKE. E-verify is a small step in the right direction. Our way of life, our peace and safety is being torn apart to provide cheap labour for Big Biz. Time for it to end!

      March 1, 2012 at 9:19 am | Report abuse |
    • Loca

      If they worked as hard in their country as they do here maybe they wouldn't need to come. If they were as dedicated to making their country better as they are to crossing the border they would not need to pick tomatoes for pennies, and break our laws.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:03 am | Report abuse |
    • Dott

      So you think it is ok to be a criminal as long as you work hard. No other country on this big ball in the sky allows people to come there without an invitation. Good old USA just come here have a little citizen and rake in the goodies. What a country. People like you should go to another country and work hard as well but only after you are invited. Right?

      March 1, 2012 at 10:13 am | Report abuse |
    • USCGguy

      How do you know how hard he works?

      March 1, 2012 at 7:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • angel611

      "Through a loophole in immigration law, illegal aliens can collect social security benefits."
      Free school
      Free healthcare
      They don't pay taxes but they get the services which means they can keep all of the money they make unlike Americans.
      Yea, they don't get any free lunches.
      LMAO

      March 1, 2012 at 7:29 am | Report abuse |
    • Stogey

      Finally ... someone who knows what the " F " they're talkin about ... illegal aliens are purging our schools, hospitals and SS of much needed funds and the Feds sit back with their thumbs up their butts offering no help or funds to curtail the flood ... Don't Mess with Texas ! ! !

      March 1, 2012 at 8:57 am | Report abuse |
    • tom

      We are LMAO also at you. Try researching the facts simpleton.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:20 am | Report abuse |
    • kmac

      your mistaken they do pay taxes. In Texas we operate on sales tax which as individuals we all pay as rentor the owneer collects tax in the rent so they do pay taxes.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:24 am | Report abuse |
    • melvinslizard

      Exactly. Don't forget free medical coverage at any county hospital in the US. They can't turn away anyone. In Dallas we have more illegal babies delivered at Parkland Hospital than any other hospital in the US. Not cheap, and the baby get's a free pass to life in the States. Nothing against the kid, but the cost is astronomical!!!

      March 1, 2012 at 10:34 am | Report abuse |
    • hooch

      If we want to extend ANY possibility of citizenship to tllegals, then the States and Fed govt s ought to also make sure ALL the Patels pay withholding on Income, social security, unemployment taxes, etc. No cheatin for relatives. And keep their thermostats on decent temperatures.

      March 1, 2012 at 12:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • tedt

      How bout the well to do quit hiring illegals to do their buttboy jobs eh?

      March 1, 2012 at 8:00 am | Report abuse |
    • Anne

      Overpopulation is a concern, yes its true there are flaws about illegals coming into this country, however lets not forget you wonderful people who are kicking them out and saying lets get rid of them. They do all those wonderful jobs you don't. Picking vegetables in a field, clean bathrooms, wash dishes, serve you, and get underpaid for it haha. The reason people hire them is because they know they can underpay them and they won't say anything. So when you start talking crap about them coming in and taking over, realize that you won't double over to clean the whole you crap in they will for 1 buck, because those people actually need money to survive they don't pitch a tent in protest or live on welfare, or decided unemployment is fun.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Dott

      I am soooo tired of reading "doing jobs that we won't do". There is no job that people would refuse to do if they are hungry. If the jobs paid a decent wage most all Americans will do the job. However illegals will work for $4.00 – $5.00 an hour get paid "under the table." Pay no tax or fica then go to the welfare office get free food stamps, free medical, free housing for their little USA citizen they make sure they have one every 9 months. Then bring all the family across the border to bask in the riches paid for by the nice Americans. People like you are what is wrong with our nation.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:21 am | Report abuse |
    • Fred Zeppelin

      Have they been eating the lettuce in your garden again ?

      March 1, 2012 at 10:51 am | Report abuse |
    • indymid

      Who's Buba?

      March 1, 2012 at 10:58 am | Report abuse |
    • LJ Burgess

      @Stanton It's "Bubba", not "BUBA" Stanton, use your Texas spell check please.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:57 pm | Report abuse |
    • fandancy

      The main purpose of the boats is to try to stop the flow of drugs. (good luck with that) The best way to do that is to reduce or eliminate the demand. The drug cartels have tons of money to use to get the drugs into the U.S. These boats are window dressing and will have very little effect on their stated purpose. Makes the Texans feel good, though.

      March 2, 2012 at 2:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      Amen to that!

      March 8, 2012 at 11:30 am | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      Amen!

      March 8, 2012 at 11:40 am | Report abuse |
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