March 13th, 2012
08:05 PM ET

Overheard on Who stands to gain from ongoing contraception debate?

Editor's note: This post is part of the Overheard on series, a regular feature that examines interesting comments and thought-provoking conversations posted by the community.

We saw a fiery response to Sandra Fluke's opinion article about the Rush Limbaugh "slut" controversy. Many of our readers were outraged that a religious organization would be forced to pay for contraception coverage, while others said people are paying for their insurance and contraception can be a medical necessity. Women and men alike wondered how much of the debate was politically motivated.

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One reader said this article turned them "180 degrees away" from Fluke, and said they don't want the public to have to pay for contraception

lovedodos: "There is no other non medical necessity that is mandated to be covered by insurance that I know of. Fluke does not make a case for that but simply regurgitates traditional feminist arguments of equality. As an aside, Fluke, who is not a Catholic, should avoid making herself look stupid by trying to define Catholicism. It is not a 'social justice' based faith! It is a scriptual and tradition-based faith and social justice is an element of the teachings that arise from that base. WDR"

Another said they don't think religious organizations should take contraception out of insurance coverage.

LuluB: "You're not being forced to pay for anything. Insurance doesn't work that way. You are not allowed to pick and choose how others will be covered. This issue is about a religious group attempting to stop someone from having a care option that they've paid for. Religious conservatives are free to not take advantage of a health service that they disagree with. They are not, however, allowed to break our laws and oppress others based on religious doctrine. The USA is not a theocracy."

Some were debating the political benefits each side is getting from the contraception issue. Mary Beth Cox of Richmond, Virginia, was the iReport Pundit of the Week after sharing her opinions in a video, which she titled "I have government-funded birth control." In commenting on the candidacy of Sen. Rick Santorum, she said she fears that conservatives are using the issue of contraception as a smokescreen for real issues.

"I'm really frightened by the tone that's being set already in the primaries and discussions leading up to selecting a GOP candidate and forward," she said. "It's all a distraction from the real issues of economic recovery and addressing the widening disparities in this country. I don't vote with myself in mind any more; I vote for my children and I don't want them to live in the world envisioned by the GOP of Rick Santorum."

But some others said it is actually Democrats who are using the issue of contraception for political gain.

TparT: "In my lifetime, I've experienced absolutely no difficulties accessing contraception, nor has my daughter, nor anyone else I have known in the past 40 years. This has never been a topic of any conversation I've ever had - not until the Obama administration fired up this whole charade about a month ago. This is a non-issue. This was manufactured just to wind women up and let Obama come riding in to "fight for our cause.' Just because Ms. Fluke decided to take this on as her cause-du-jour doesn't mean she speaks for me; she does not. And I bet she doesn't speak for millions of other independent, thinking women, either."

This reader said religious organizations have too much influence over government.

wizpopr: "The religious right (mostly the Catholic Church of which I used to be a member) needs to back off and come forth into the 21st century. People have sex and not always for procreation. Those people may be students and they may also be married students that can't afford pregnancy. Another fact is that people have sex out of wedlock and have for many centuries, whether you like it or not. As for the Catholic Church, 'people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.' Need I remind you of the problems that you and your priests have caused. Stop the madness, get over it and stop trying to shove your beliefs down the throats of everyone that chooses not to follow them."

Others questioned the purity of Fluke's motivations for attending a Catholic school.

ghvz1: "First, a few things about Fluke: she calls herself a 'reproductive rights' activist who selected a Catholic university for the sole purpose of changing its policies from within. There are plenty of law schools Fluke could've chosen that reflected her values. As far as the subject is concerned, a university isn't obligated to provide insurance to students - it's an option. Students are not required to purchase it. Fluke is free to buy her own insurance - she isn't limited to only the university's policy. This isn't about contraception - it's about liberals such as Fluke calling on the government to control what religions can/cannot teach."

This commenter said they were a law student like Fluke and paid for their own contraception.

Whazzat: "I'm 50 years old. Nobody ever paid for the contraception I used, until I finally had that situation permanently fixed once I was sure that I wouldn't be having children. I never whined about the fact that nobody paid for my contraception ... and I put myself through an expensive law school with no help from anybody else other than student loans that I promptly paid back way ahead of schedule. Grow up, Ms. Fluke."

But this reader said they don't believe contraception would mean forcing churches to pay.

mforrest: "What amazes me isn't how many of you are ignorant of the facts even though they are clearly stated in the article. No, what amazes me is how many of you want to be ignorant so you can continue your misinformed ranting. If passed, paying for birth control does not come out of your taxes. With the exception of already existing Medicare coverage and the Church (who gets a whole bunch of your tax money already), the government is not paying for birth control. The regulation states that the company for which these women work would be paying for it, not you. Stop thinking this is about taxes. It isn't."

This reader said sex without making a baby is entertainment, and they don't want to have to pay for that.

Teriander2: "If you not having sex to make a baby then you're doing it for pleasure and entertainment. Like sky diving or racing a car. If she wins then I want congress to force tax payers to pay for my safety equipment on my race car. Safety is a health issue."

And another commenter questioned why getting birth control is getting so much attention over other treatments.

kts0591: "It may not be taxes but it is an unfair mandate that was not well thought out. WHY should she get birth control without a copay but my sister has to pay one for insulin - I feel that is more important. Any mandate should be clearly documented as to the WHY it is needed - what alternatives were considered and why the one they did choose was choosen. This was not. The only why that has been brought up is because sometimes they are needed for medical reasons - so make the mandate that birth control must be provided if it is for medical reasons."

This reader said they are paying for insurance and they want it to cover contraception.

Rossiya91: "All I'm asking is for the insurance company, that I write a check to, cover contraception. It's not an attack on religion or a political statement as much me wanting birth control pills so that I don't have a baby I can't take care of. Those in the Catholic church who don't believe in contraception still won't use it just because it's covered, but the non-Catholics in the affiliated institutions should have a right to get their contraceptive pills covered like men get Viagra covered. And this isn't an attack on the left or the right. Quite frankly, people who draw this into a democrat/republican fight are just ignorant and wrong."

Some commenters talked about having monogamous sexual relationships and wanting birth control.

Arielle Katherine: "Someone give me a logical, thought-out, non-aggressive reason as to why my desire to use birth control (in order to achieve my goals before I have a family) makes me promiscuous. I've been in a monogamous relationship for 7 years; we have chosen to wait to have children until I am done with graduate school (for obvious reasons). Yet because I want to have an intimate relationship with my partner (and my partner ONLY) without getting pregnant, I am a prostitute. Funny."

This reader said he and his wife have successfully used the rhythm method for birth control and never needed contraception.

William Bill Seeber: "My wife and I have four children, and each conception night, we knew it was the night. We have had a wonderful 18 years, and no, we haven't only been together four times. Most of the time, a window of five to seven days of abstinence is all that is necessary. This gives the couple a chance to respect and trust in God's plan in their lives, and place Him first. As for ovarian cysts, they can cause erratic cycles, and much more problems, but talk to a naturopathic doctor, and find that it is almost as much diet as chemicals which can correct this in many cases. In closing, no matter what the topic is, mandating someone to act against their religion is the same as forcing a state religion."

Another commenter who said they were female also commented about monitoring her fertility cycles as opposed to contraception.

irish7eyes7: "I am a woman and I cannot just sit here and have women such as Sandra Fluke be a spokeswoman for me. I do NOT accept the HHS mandate. The pilgrims came to America for freedom of religion. The HHS mandate is in direct opposition of my freedom of religion. I am a married woman of seven years and I have two children. When my husband and I could not afford a child, we abstained (that's right, we ABSTAINED) during fertile times. A real feminist would know her own body well enough to know when to abstain. Women such as Fluke are actually taking away my CHOICE by making me pay for someone else's birth control."

Some readers said sex out of marriage is a choice that some people make, but that doesn't mean we must pay for it.

DBrainerd: "A woman who has sex outside of a husband/wife relationship is a fornicator. We all have been there, and have chosen to be there. The public should not have to pay for our choices. Ms. Fluke choses her sexual lifestyle and should pay for it, not someone else."

This commenter said she is a virgin using birth control.

GM Slane: "Birth control is not only used for protection purposes but it also relieves symptoms such as PCOS and that is what most fail to look at. It certainly was the only factor in my choice of taking it. I'm a virgin, how could a virgin be a prostitute? Or a good prostitute at that. Figure that one out."

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soundoff (57 Responses)
  1. Who stands to gain?

    Not children, that's for sure. It's as if we want to stamp-out kids. From dropping them off at the schoolbus stop in our 5-Star crash rated Volvo so they can ride their Zero Star crash bus w/bench seats/no airbags/no how we tell kids all year long not to take candy from strangers except on Halloween. Even how we look down upon them when they get rayped by a person of the other color/abort that *explative* pc. of sh/t. War on Kids.

    March 13, 2012 at 8:21 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Niki

    Birth Control for MARRIED people where the women can't risk getting pregnant due to medical life threatening reasons – fine
    "college students" we assume are NOT married – is this teaching our children it's ok to have s-e-x before your married?
    Not for me it isn't. If I had a daughter or son for that matter; having s-e-x before marriage – not fine.

    That is for me and me alone in my opinion

    As for the rest, you all have to make your own moral judgements.
    having said that you can also say that the morals of man vs the moral of God are not in alignment ...

    March 13, 2012 at 8:21 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Niki

    Btw... Please wait till I'm done popping my popcorn to start the WAR! lolololo
    Sorry but two issues that always end up in heated debates are
    Religion and ... Yep you guessed it ... ABORTION or in the relm of. Hmmm you know what I mean.

    March 13, 2012 at 8:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • banasy©

      Then why do you insist on bring those two topics up in every thread, Mary, er, Nicki..., I mean Niki?

      March 14, 2012 at 10:11 am | Report abuse |
  4. Serious question.

    Well over 50 million legal abortions have been performed in the US, with untold millions of illegal abortions. How many were for medical reasons?

    March 13, 2012 at 8:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dott

      does not matter how many were for what ever the reason. That means that all those would be babies did not get born into a world that would abuse and neglect them. They never happened. So Simple and as it should be.

      March 13, 2012 at 10:01 pm | Report abuse |
  5. alanohio

    I wish I could scream this from the highest mountain so everyone would here it...

    Coverage of any medication DOES NOT force ANYONE to take it. If that were true, anyone with coverage would be taking every medication available. it is only available IF the individual CHOOSES to use it. What happened to all this "personal responsibility" the conservatives preach day in and day out?

    Also, defining a medication list based on ANY religion isblurring the line between church and state is not lawful.

    Please try and see the truth rather than what those with agendas are trying to convince you of.

    March 13, 2012 at 9:13 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Jeff Frank (R-Ohio) "Right Wing Insanity"

    Ruling class lawmakers gain by getting votes by "playing with your junk", instead of doing what they were elected to do.

    March 13, 2012 at 9:28 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Jeff Frank (R-Ohio) "Right Wing Insanity"

    Who stands to gain from ongoing contraception debate?
    How about Pfizer, Glaxo Wellcome, Trojan, Schering, Merck Pharaceuticals. Don't be afraid...jump right in and add some advertising.
    Let's go shopping! 😉

    March 13, 2012 at 9:43 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Dott

    No one will gain but the unwanted abused child will be the loser. Who is going to adopt all these unwanted babies? Give it up you fat gray haired old men – It is my body, my seed that was fertilized by mistake so it should and will be my choice what to do about it. It is between me and my God and my doctor. Go take your viagra paid for by your RX company and shut up.

    March 13, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Serious question.

    And yet the question remains, of the over 50 million legal abortions along with countless illegal abortions how many were for medical reasons?

    March 13, 2012 at 10:41 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dott

      So why does that matter?

      March 14, 2012 at 9:56 am | Report abuse |
  10. Schoolmarm

    @ Serious...There should be a comma after *abortions*.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joey Isotta-Fraschini©™

      @ Schoolmarm:
      You should have typed "abortions."
      You typed "abortions".

      March 14, 2012 at 12:38 am | Report abuse |
    • omg

      are you serious Joey? because of a period? Is that all you have to debate? WOW your really far gone!!! dude

      March 14, 2012 at 12:43 am | Report abuse |
  11. ♔Mmmmm♕

    gop is full of it and in need of a laxative. they didn't overturn roe vs wade and they aren't gonna overturn obamacare either. when was the last time congress repealed a law???

    March 13, 2012 at 11:01 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Schoolmarm

    Remember children, when you grow-up you don't have to behave like your parents do. You don't have to sleep around and have abortions. You can actually get it right. Many of your parents are ignorant baffoons. Others are drug addicts of one form or another. Many other parents are fraudsters. If your parents behave along these lines, break free as soon as it's legal to leave home. Especially if your parents are se xu al deviants who even cheat on each other. Become yourself, not one of them.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:01 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Schoolmarm

    Repealed laws banning sodomy and abortion, not congress, each of our State Legislatures that have been overran by men who cheat on their wives, men who sleep with men and women who approve, and approve abortion. President Obama refuses to repeal anti-sodomy US MILITARY CODE. I don't think Michelle bends over that way.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:07 pm | Report abuse |
  14. banasy©

    My younger daughter was diagnosed with PCOS, which she was prescribed bc pills.
    Left untreated, PCOS, ironically, can cause infertility.
    You see, any endicrinologist can tell you that there ARE other treatment indicators for the pill besides preventing conception.
    My daughter's health and fertility shouldn't be legislated any more than any other woman's, for whatever reason.
    My daughter's right to get her medication covered for her condition trumps any extreme politicians's desire to pander and pimp for votes.
    And for the self-righteous prigs who will say something about her chasti ty: pigs.

    Sombiddy forgot how to spell her name the same as last week.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:28 pm | Report abuse |
  15. banasy©

    And of course none of this has anything to do with the posted topic, any more than that poor child's severed fingers did.

    @Jeff Frank:
    You are onto something there, my friend.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:33 pm | Report abuse |
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