Overheard on CNN.com: Are there winners, losers in immigration policy debate?
Readers are debating pros and cons of the Supreme Court's ruling on Arizona's controversial immigration law.
June 25th, 2012
05:24 PM ET

Overheard on CNN.com: Are there winners, losers in immigration policy debate?

Editor's note: This post is part of the Overheard on CNN.com series, a regular feature that examines interesting comments and thought-provoking conversations posted by the community.

The U.S. Supreme Court has struck down key parts of an Arizona law that sought to deter illegal immigration. The court also let stand a controversial provision that lets police check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws if "reasonable suspicion" exists that the person is in the United States illegally. Some readers kept metaphorical scorecards weighing each side's views about heavier enforcement and possible consequences. With all this debate, are there points where most people can agree?

Supreme Court mostly rejects Arizona immigration law; gov says 'heart' remains

Some of our readers said Arizona got a raw deal.

Bob Jones: "So Arizona is screwed. The Fed won't enforce its own laws and Arizona is told to sit down and shut up and take it with a smile. Thanks for nothing, SCOTUS. This is the first step. Eventually the people will have had enough."

eddiev5: "I think public opinion polls pretty much show time and time again what people are looking for. And it has nothign to do with the rhetoric you hear from the Democratic Party. On this issue, the Republicans are correct."

Gus Seals: "Actually this is a win, it builds a bigger picture over time how the feds are cooking the books on the number of illegals. The state can use the federal resources to check legal status so says the court. In the long run if the state says we stopped ten thousand illegals and the feds refused to do their job, it is not going to look good politically."

For many, Arizona got a big win.

Chaz: "I love how CNN tries to make this seem like Arizona lost here. They got exactly what they wanted and I say good for them. I have a very hard time with commenters from the East Coast who are just so full of 'forward thinking' opinions, but who don't really have a dog in this fight. This is a serious problem for those states who face these issues every day and I'm glad the ability to check a person's legal status is in place. I liked Governor Brewer's laws, as the state of Arizona faces terrible crime and security issues, due to the illlegal aliens. If the Feds can't protect the Arizona citizens, who can? I like the idea of 'self deportation'. The Mexicans think The AMERICAN DREAM is about getting on the government dole. It is about 'freedoms,' not breaking laws. Entering this country illegally was your first mistake. You broke a federal law. If you can't come in the legal way, leave."

Others were excited to see that the state didn't get everything it wanted.

JimmyNelson: "SCOTUS just smacked Jan Brewers hand.. and I like it."

This commenter said they thought Arizona's law is unacceptable.

wial: "Those who are saying AZ won or lost - Arizona is a decent place, a land, with as much potential for good as anywhere, that is currently being controlled by some very messed up, fearful, racist people. They made a morally indefensible law that shames America before the world. They are not Arizona, they are an aberration for the parts of the history books that cover McCarthy, Nixon, the Salem witch trials, Darrell Issa etc. Arizona will win when the Sheriff and all his ilk are forgiven and forgotten."

Zack Morris: "Nonsense. There is nothing 'hateful' about wanting to protect your people from a literal invasion. There are REAL consequences that Arizona faces because of the federal government's inaction to prevent the borders. The thing about you liberals is you can never have an honest discussion. It's always bumper sticker slogans and pigeonholing, but you are never honest about what the other side is saying."

There were also a couple folks who thought the scorekeeping was getting out of hand.

iwlnilla:"It would be nice if we stopped looking a politics as 'winning' and 'losing.' This should not be a spectator sport. ... Pretty telling that a ruling is made that affects a great deal of people, and our biggest concern is what side 'won' and what side 'lost.' The sporting event of American politics is completely out of hand. Burn your jerseys and reject both sides."

Some readers said Obama and the federal government need to do more about illegal immigration.

CitizenXXX: "So when The Feds want power that isn't their they just take it, but when the states try and compensate for the Feds failures the Feds cry foul. Unbelievable."

GoAwayObama: " 'Arizona may have understandable frustrations with the problems caused by illegal immigration while that process continues, but the state may not puruse policies that undermined federal law.' That's ridiculous! The Arizona state law didn't undermine anything. All it did was take things that are already federal crimes and made them state crimes as well. All it undermines is the liberals who want to have illegals take over the country so they'll keep voting democrat. Same reason why the democrats are so staunchly opposed to Voter ID laws. Like taking a picture ID is such a huge imposition. As a society we require picture ID for everything; buying cigarettes, buying alcohol, cashing checks, writing checks, using credit cards. But when it comes to voting, its now such a big deal? Yea, its a big deal because democrats get elected by voter fraud."

DontPretend: "So, Obama wants them to not be allowed to ensure the security of their borders, and also doesn't want to help them to secure the borders with Federal support. In case you don't get it, he just told the people of AZ that they are less important than Mexicans. Why? AZ votes Republican."

Should illegal immigration be cut off at the source?

bob5304: "My advice to Arizona is go after the people that hire illegals or rent to illegals. If there are no jobs, they will not come."

Nadbash: "Yeah good luck arresting 50% of the rich people in the country, including a hilarious number of immigrant-hating Republicans."

What's the issue here?

HunterDX77M: "I don't get what the big deal is. If you are in the country illegally, using services you didn't pay for, you should be deported as you are committing a crime. If you don't want to be deported, then come to the country legally by filling out your paper work. My grandparents did it. My parents did it."

ajhowardem: "Thats not the issue, everyone believes that illegals should not be using U.S. resources. It was the way that they were going to find these people, which would have basically boiled down to harassment of illegals and legals that were not white. What we should do is research businesses that hire these people and fine the crap out of them. If we cut off the reason they are coming (low paying jobs), then we can stop them from coming in the first place. However, no one wants to do that ..."

Illegal is illegal, and laws should be enforced, said this reader.

ConservUS: "Look at this way ... if you are at home, and someone you don't know, and who you didn't invite over, and did not ask to come over, rudely and illegally enters your house, are you going to allow that person to stay with you? They don't speak your language, communication is very difficult or near possible. One would do whatever it took to remove them from their house, it is trespassing, and breaking and entering. Most would call the cops, or in Floridas case (which I commend them on), they would most likely be shot on premises (Stand your ground). This nation is too lenient. We are exhausting our energy, money, time, and all else on something that should be 'cut & dry' or 'black & white.' If you are here illegally, you have no respect for us or our laws, therefore we have no respect for you; you are being deported. Simple."

Are we doing a disservice to America?

millerbarber: "A sad state of affairs when the Supreme Court takes the sides of Criminals ( illegal aliens) and against American Citizens. Not a good way to celebrate the U.S. birthday next week."

kathy0715: "It's a wonderful day when the Supreme Courts takes the side of the Constitution, which it has here. Enjoy the 4th."

southernsuga: "The SCOTUS decision determined that laws made by States cannot supercede Federal laws. I just don't see that Sheriff Arpaio was doing anything but enforcing federal laws."

The United States' long history of immigration was a source of conversation.

Constructiv1: "Fact: America was built by immigrants for immigrants. We just need to learn how to deal with them."

Picco: "Exactly, we've forgotten that. All those descendents of illegal white immigrants have changed the rules."

But are we too kind to illegal immigrants?

Evenstar13: "I fully understand the desire of those who immigrate to this country, and I have no issue with immigrants coming here legally. What I can not comprehend, is when these people illegally immigrate to the US, why is it that the US goverment bends over backwards to give them better benifits than the average citizen and legal immigant receives? With out the rule of law, there is anarchy and we perilously close to that now, due to the greediness of the money changers and the respose of the elected gorvernment to the economic crisis we remain burdened with. The federal government must either enforce the law of the land, or abandon it all together. It must be either one thing or the other. It cannot remain in between as it now is, as it is nothing but a paper tiger!"

What's your take? Do immigration policies impact you or someone you know? Share your opinion in the comments area below and in the latest stories on CNN.com. Or sound off on video via CNN iReport.

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  1. dave

    since the white house is run by banks and corperations, skull and bones, trilateralll commision, cfr, and all the rest it doesnt suprise me that this imagration thing was all planned out by them. our own country is letting them in and not doing anything to stop it so it's planned. our own country is going againced us. I am not a racist , in fact I was married to a hispanic woman for eight years. the jobs that we used to have are all being taken over. the money that we put into the system is being giving away to the illeagles, I used to think that it was ok for them to come here until I started realizing that the dirty looks were a sighn that they just dont like us. we had to work for our medical, food on the table and just survival, then our country turns on us and give alll what we made away for free. I see white homless peaple on the street but I've only seen one illeagle. they are taking what we worked for and giving to them for free, I guess it's not the illeagles fault because our own country is in control. wake up america you are now in the new world order and the crap is going to hit the fan very soon in every way,

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