Comments: Running mate Ryan spices up election, spurs economic conversation
Mitt Romney has chosen Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin to be his running mate in the 2012 presidential election.
August 13th, 2012
08:03 PM ET

Comments: Running mate Ryan spices up election, spurs economic conversation

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Mitt Romney has announced his pick for running mate in the 2012 election: U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin. Readers have mixed feelings about him, but they've definitely been talking. The next five stories are all about Ryan.

When the news initially broke, many readers argued about what it means. All seemed to agree that the game was suddenly a little more interesting. Several iReporters, like Mark Ivy of Farmersburg, Indiana, said they felt this choice was the right one.

"As the news began to trickle out late last night, and turn into a cascading waterfall, that House Budget Committee chairman and Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan had been selected by Mitt Romney as the person to be his running mate and the next vice president of the United States, I began to read and research all I could on the congressman. That study led me to the conclusion that this morning as Romney was announcing his choice of Ryan, Romney had indeed made the correct decision. That decision puts the question of fiscal responsibility and a right direction for the country squarely on the table."

And Matt Sky  of New York said having Ryan around changes the conversation.

"Adding Paul Ryan to Mitt Romney's ticket changes this election from simply being a referendum on Obama into a core philosophical debate about the differences between conservatism and liberalism. Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan is an exciting figure for many Republicans, but also represents the core divisions between the parties in a way that could also rally more Democrats behind Obama. We have very articulate, intelligent candidates across the board, so I think we can expect a fascinating, very unique election year, not about personality or popularity points, but one of substance."

On CNN's Facebook page, readers were critical of Ryan's economic vision, which was the subject of an opinion article by Donna Brazile. But some were in support.

Chris Perrin: Ryan's budget would destroy the middle class and the working poor. We would all become serfs to the rich. Now that is class warfare if I've ever seen it.

Colleen Warman Meyer: "Does anyone find it ironic that democrats keep saying Ryan's budget proposal is too radical when the dems in power haven't bothered to even pass a budget in years? I think a little radical is better than nothing. Our national belt has needed a lot of tightening anyway."

Ralph Quaas: All this means is money for Republican pockets and not a dime for seniors and the needy.

Charlotte Booth Davidson: "Can anybody ANYBODY tell me why I should vote for Obama? And not because of Romney/Ryan. Convince me how our country is better off then three years ago?!!! Please!"

Michael Sercu: "Ryan and Romney declared: 'We do not want our kids stuck with trillions of dollars in debt.' The bad news: They want other people's kids stuck with that debt." commenters also had plenty to say.

1. Romney's pick of Ryan as his running mate energizes conservatives, opponents

This reader said they weren't originally planning to vote, but decided to do so. They were one of many who alluded to author Ayn Rand, author of the influential and controversial novel "Atlas Shrugged." Ryan has said conflicting things about his stance on Rand's work.

aabbccddee: "Thanks Romney, by choosing Paul Ryan you helped me to decide that I'm voting for Obama. The last thing we need is a conservative Ayn Randian objectivist in the White House."

THX1953: "Ha! Like your vote wasn't already cast!"

aabbccddee: "It wasn't. I dislike Obama's conservative policies so I was going to sit out this election. To me, Romney and Obama are two of the same. Romney's choice of Ryan has awoken me from my apathy."

Another reader said they were glad that a person with vigor was joining the race.

warrior2007: "I'm glad he picked Ryan. He has the energy and drive to be president in 2020 after two terms with Romney. It's good to see the young on the bottom of the ticket ... It gives energy to this election and the 2016 election, and the drive to run in 2020."

The different sides disagreed about who is happier about Ryan being picked.

25deabril: "As a Democrat, I couldn't be happier with Romney's choice of Ryan. Anyone who pays attention will now see the clear choice that exists. Slashing of programs for those who actually need them and heaping more gravy on the plates of the already bloated ruling class that Mitt holds so dear. The worst kept secret is that tax cuts for the wealthy do not create American jobs. If they did, the economy would be booming. My support for President Obama has been strengthened ten-fold!"

gobnait: "As an involved and engaged independent I couldn't be happier either. The Romney/Ryan ticket is the first real hope for the future of our nation and our children in nearly four years."

So who is Paul Ryan, anyway? That's what a lot of people are wondering.

2. The race to define Paul Ryan

Many readers zeroed in on concerns about the future in evaluating Romney's new running mate.

stormrider2112: "I guess the Romney campaign doesn't care about Florida and Arizona. Arizona might very well become a battleground state with 'secure the border!' and 'don't take my Medicare and Social Security!' "

JW: "Nothing will change with this. The right wing will see him as part of a superhero team with Romney come to save the world from the facisim that is Obama, and the left leaning people, like myself, will vehemently disagree with his right wing views. We are entrenched in two different camps and nothing anyone can say or do will make us go over to the other side or want to communicate or work with the other side in any way. This schism is only going to get worse and worse, not better."

Another cautioned Democrats not to be too quick to bash Ryan.

krehator: "I think attacking Ryan will backfire. He is well liked, even by many Dems. No, keep the pressure on the guy running for President. He is the weak part of this ticket. I think the Dems could capitalize some points by treating Ryan respectfully, and making him look incompatible with Romney, or being used like a pawn to win votes."

Many people have complex views, as indicated in the reaction to opinion writer David Frum's article.

3. Romney did Obama a huge favor

Several said they agreed with Frum, and at the same time were hard on both the left and the right sides of the political spectrum.

hedgracer: "All the conservative posters complain here that the liberals (just say Democrats and independents and be done with it) are against everything good for the country. Wrong. Frum is right. I am an independent voter and I have to agree with Frum. Obama was a weak candidate this time and really could not run on his record (of course, neither could Romney). The very last thing I would want to do if I was Romney would be to latch myself to someone in congress as a VP choice. Especially since congress right now has the public rating in the low teens or single digits. Ryan sure is a pretty face but so was Palin in 2008 until the shine wore off and then reality hit and the harsh white spotlight started finding its way home on the Ryan family. Neither candidate wants to run on his record. Ho Hum. Better to pick the devil you know than the devil you don't. I predict that is what its going to come down to in November."

unknown11: "Listening to the left whine about this, it looks to me like the right pick. They are up in arms, which means that they are afraid.

Was it really a favor in disquise?

MikeInSA: "Romney did America a favor. The time for continued can kicking and pretending that the status quo is OK for our collapsing entitlement programs is long past. Ryan will make that clear. Americans deserve to be told the truth which neither Democrats nor progressive Republicans like Frum do. Ryan respects the citizens of this country enough to give them that truth. Those that don't want to hear that truth will not like him. My guess is that a large majority of Americans want to be treated like adults and know the truth even if it's not rosy."

Some said they thought the article was misguided. Others didn't. Again, the Sarah Palin comparisons.

YtownSports: "I wholeheartedy disagree with the headline to this column. I understand how the conclusion was drawn, but Ryan won't get rattled by the Obama Machine hit-and-run tactics. He will drive home a distinct and clear message and force focus on real issues instead of reacting to the distractions on which Romney has wasted so much of his time. That's bad news for the Prez."

Lorelei Blackmon: "Sorry, but the rest of the voters think the title is spot on! I was flabbergasted because I did not think the Romney was in such serious trouble that it had to shoot itself in the foot in this manner. Like McCain's choice four years ago, it will excite the extreme members of the base and cause everyone else to shake their heads and wonder what Romney could have possibly been thinking."

These readers expressed pessimism, and some interesting nicknames.

Phange: "Isn't it amazing that we Democrats are patting ourselves on the back that we can so easily demagogue a man who's actually willing to address a serious fiscal problem, while our own president is not? This is why we're going to lose this election, and why we deserve to."

Winston Smith 3rd: "What a waste of time, GOP or DNC is irrelevant, they are both the same. ORomney or Rombama will bring us more debt, more war, more attacks on our liberties – there isn't a single politician among them that cares about the people or the law."

BHPT: "Mr. Vulture and Mr. Voucher will not help middle class America. A PRESCRIPTION for accelerating concentration of wealth."

The economy and wealth were indeed big talkers on another opinion article by conservative contributor William Bennett, which had a more optimistic take on Ryan.

4. Why Paul Ryan?

Don't begrudge the rich, says this reader.

Karla12: "If I hear anyone else complain about 'rich' people I am going to scream ... those 'rich' people are people who employ me and my husband; they help to put clothes on my kid's backs and food on the table. We work hard and so we aspire to be 'rich' someday. Why is that bad? The more money we make, the more we give to charity and the more we hire others to take on tasks to help with what we don't have time to do ourselves (housekeeping, mowing the yard, etc.). It is a trickle down effect and I don't think anybody should be ashamed of working hard and being successful; this country used to take pride in hard-working Americans, but now we want to demonize them! I can say that most of the people who are 'anti-rich' are people who have little desire to do better for themselves, they are just complacent and waiting for the winning lotto ticket!"

The readers on this story were very complimentary about Ryan.

InDeepEndnt: "While I don't like Romney, I applaud him for choosing someone with an actual, detailed vision, instead of a bunch of talk. It provides a good complement to Romney. It's also refreshing to see someone pick a candidate without bowing to the same old pressure of "diversity". Ryan is firmly on the right, and at least has a backbone."

tinkansas: "A moderate and a conservative on the same ticket is what passes for diversity in the GOP these days."

Leeford68: "I think Ryan was a good choice for Romney. However, I think any boost to base turnout will be tempered by a boost to democrat turnout by those who feel Ryan is a threat to their entitlements. Nost independents will still go with Obama. Focus on the middle class is what the country needs, no matter how slow and painful the recovery is. Independents realize this. And though most independents would welcome cuts in spending, reduced deficits, and entitlement reform, they dont want things turned into voucher programs and hacked to pieces with republican experiments."

eyeopen: "Appears Ryan is firing up the base - of the other party"

Readers frequently used variations of the phrase "firing up the base," and implied that are many ways of looking at Ryan.

5. Paul Ryan a gift to both campaigns

One reader compared Ryan to another previous VP candidate.

DarqueSide: "Paul Ryan is all bright and shiny, youthful and energetic, gets the base all fired up... because the top of the ticket isn't getting the job done. He's an exciting unknown quantity! Sound familiar? It should. He's essentially Sarah Palin without the lipstick. While I believe Ryan's a lot smarter than Palin (and I doubt he'll go 'rogue'), I don't think Ryan can save Romney. The bottom line is Romney's a weak candidate who doesn't resonate with voters even within his own party, let alone independents and conservative Democrats."

Many thought he had an edge over Vice President Joe Biden in a debate scenario.

Daaave: "A gift to both until biteme Biden tries to debate Ryan. Biden will come across as a bitter old man, probably lose his cool and say yet once again something stupid, and then the DNC will pull him from most speaking engagements (just like they did two years ago)."

This person said they think Ryan was a good pick.

HunterPSU: "I am really glad Romney chose Ryan. I was a little worried that he might choose Ryan because Ryan has a paper trail. But if they get the discussion going on entitlement and working together for solutions and loose well likely Romney would have lost with another V.P. pick anyway. At least with Ryan you get a very smart energetic guy that is not afraid to propose solutions. Washington needs more men like Ryan. Many thought B.O. was that kind of man. But we learned even through the healthcare process early on that Harry and Nancy carried most of the load for B.O. Since than B.O. has led on giving away money and pandering to special interest groups. In vogue but not exactly inspiring leadership."

The commenter went on to say ...

HunterPSU: "The democrats are nice people. Most have good hearts. Because they believe they are right they believe that anything goes to win is okay. I can live with that it is part of their genetic makeup. But the nice guys that want to help people seem to not be able to come to grips with the fact that not reforming the entitlements and not improving job creators outlook will lead to worse things for people down the road. A little pain now is better than alot of pain later. I think the genetic do gooder mentality of democrats is a good quality. It is just not good right now. Maybe after the republicans get things going right on entitlements and other wasteful programs in a few years the country will be in a better financial position to help the democrates feel good and we can start expanding the programs again."

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  1. Jeff Frank (R-Ohio) "Right Wing Insanity"

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    August 13, 2012 at 8:14 pm | Report abuse |
    • Name s kel

      ok frank

      August 13, 2012 at 11:55 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Jeff Frank (R-Ohio) "Right Wing Insanity"

    Yes Paul Ryan of Wisconsin. A good running mate for Mitt Romney. Mr. Ryan has a outstanding track record of understanding and comprehending complicated financial issues. Having been a former Wisconsinite myself for the 35 years, he has a very good track record with the State of Wisconsin understanding fiscal policy and state budget. I know in the past, some have been angry with him, but again, he knows you can't get blood from a turnip.
    Both him and Mitt Romney understand what Bush left Obama. And they both know the truth about what Obama "thought he could do" with being steward of finances with Congress for this country.
    We are exited for you Paul Ryan, and wish you the best in this 2012 comming election.

    August 13, 2012 at 8:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joey Isotta-Fraschini ©™

      @ Jeff Frank (R-Ohio):
      Thank you for including me.
      I'm having trouble posting. I just wrote an optimistic Paul Ryan/Ayn Rand comment that didn't make the cut.

      August 13, 2012 at 9:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pete

      Jeff,did you explain how Walker working with Ryan trying to sell Wisconsin electric to the Koch brothers right from under the residents of that state.You republicans are still delushional in your thinking Romney has a true plan for anything,he does not and you're in denile if you do..Sununu ,a washed up exgovernor and Romney surrogate lap dog couldn't stand up for Romney either on tv and it showed because how can you stand up for something that doesn't exist.Ryan ,an Ayn Rand diciple can't wait to get his two cents in,he's salivating like a rapid dog wanting to give Romney his "APPROVED"plan,what a crock,only benefitting the wealthy elite,the ones that Romney,Ryan come from..Romney if he had a plan where is it,where's his past taxes,where's his Bains CEO replacement if Romneys supposidly retired back in 1999 ,all these and more questions have to be answered if he thinks there's any legitimacy to this campaign.Republican hypocrites most certainly don't what egg on their face but that's probibly what they'll get after the debates,especially the Biden,Ryan one,it'll be comical with Ryan never needing or wanting foriegn affairs or security experience and Biden ,who forgot more than both challengers put together.But you arrogent ,illiterate republicans put this "DREAM TEAM"together,live with your choice,both elitist clowns,we're happy with ours!!

      August 14, 2012 at 11:03 am | Report abuse |
  3. EM

    First and Foremost-it has been disgusting to watch CNN coddle Ryan-as evidence of Gloria Borger's "interview" with Ryan, which was disgusting. Any person in this country who has a brain in their head & who isn't a millionaire/billionaire, should be smart enough to vote Democrat. It should be obvious that the republicans are dangerous to this country-and will surely bring us closer to a third world country. We need a President for the people. not for profit. This is a country to run, not a business, and we will be faced with much more than just political issues, and we need a leader who cares for the most not the wealthiest. Democrats need to get smart, do an end run and find ways to immediately solve every issue the really crazy and shameful republicans throw out.
    This should be a no-brainer for any person who has any family member on Social Security, Medicare, MediCaid.
    WAKE UP AMERICA! We had to endure 8 years of bankrupting us and our country by the most incompetent person elected to that office, why would we want another?

    August 13, 2012 at 8:59 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Jeff Frank (R-Ohio) "Right Wing Insanity"

    Yes I will respond to that. Relative to your meandering about 8 years bankrupting this country. You meant the Bush's didn't you? Then say the Bushes. Be specific. You sound you ARE a hate monger of the socialist or communist party ranting your a Democrat, although I wouild find that hard to believe.
    And the millionaires and billionaires? You and your "I don't feel like working but want a paycheck" crowed simply put, MAKE ME WANNA PUKE. ALL OVER YOU AND ALL OVER THE LIBERAL ESTABLISHMENT JUST LIKE YOU.
    Your Messiah (Obama) has nothing done in 4 years he can run on. ALL HE HAS LEFT TO DO IS SMIT ROMNEY IN A VIOLENT MUD SLINGING SESSION.
    Obama still refers to getting a bad deal from George W. Bush EVEN NOW FOUR YEAR LATER, AND HAS DONE NOTHING, but spend an AVERAGE OF 4 BILLION DOLLARS A DAY!!! An excuse, AND A POOR ONE.

    August 13, 2012 at 9:48 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Jeff Frank (R-Ohio) "Right Wing Insanity"

    You are among good people. You have been on here more than 6 months, and have demonstrated good commenting skills and followed Community Guidelines well, a whole lot better than I have, and I thought you wouldn't mind being part of the august group. I hope Nicole isn't upset I added her, despite her "socializing" with blogger agreements of her job. She is an angel.

    August 13, 2012 at 9:56 pm | Report abuse |
  6. susan

    Just listened to one of your CNN news castors make a total fool of himself. This man is not young ---–
    HAS BEEN IN BROADCASTING FOR YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!! .-He should be totally ashamed of himself for his misinformation..
    Regarding Paul Ryan being TOO young –and without experience to handle an executive position at the age of 42.–


    August 13, 2012 at 10:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • tdmitchell

      I was thinking the same thing while this was being touted as a justifiable reason why Ryan wasn't fit to run. My brain kept registering "JFK" the whole time. This was a serious error on the part of the journalist for this segment. JFK was one of the greatest Presidents this nation ever had...and he was the same age and had considerably less experience. I think the journalist should issue a corrective statement. Any citizen with a decent command of U.S. history has good reason to question the rest of his report. What other errors did this journalist make in reporting here?

      August 14, 2012 at 12:06 pm | Report abuse |
  7. The Art of Conversation

    Susan, you are a failure engaging in the art. Please examine Mr. Frank and Joey, they are exchanging ideas, you on the other hand are showing that you are a mere fool.

    August 13, 2012 at 10:36 pm | Report abuse |
  8. The Art of Conversation

    Of course banasy failed to greet me but who cares. To my #2 could you ask our friend BOM to appear tomorrow around noon on EST of course. I enjoy him quite a bit. Now that it is past my bedtime, I shall retire with a cigar and some cognac/

    August 13, 2012 at 10:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • banasy©

      Do forgive me, Art of Conversation, for my faux pas.
      Have a restful evening.

      Chrissy wanted to thank you for your story of last year; your epic tale.
      I'm sure you remember.
      She thought of it, and laughed once again.

      August 13, 2012 at 11:36 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Kim Fisher

    My story is ove 6 1/2 years of trying to get answers from Iowa's Goverment on missing money from State Credit Unions. I have had many travels through our Gov. Senators that only answer Federal Questions, but Sen. Grasslies office took copies, only to tell me they can not help and good luck. Obudsmans, just Fed Q's also, the office over the credit unions, they could find dates wrong, money not correct, but to them NOTHING to worry about. HELLO, this is a office over all the credit unions, and if I put a date into the computer IT SHOULD NOT COME UP DIFFERENT, they did not think this was wrong. But as time went on we began to see why for a Mr. James Forney was the supervisor over the credit unions, he was the one that if you were missing or had a problem with your accounts he was the man. And his reply, Your records were put in a place that went out of business and they are no longer to be found. Did he look for them NO!. Life went on for him, me $35,000.00 missing and 5 deleted bank accounts.

    Now when the Clinton School system came up missing 1.5 million, well me and my grand kids took a trip up there, nice women, but the second time up there, we were asked to leave by "Mr Douglas Forney" I was shocked, now a new Mr.
    Forney. How did Gov Culver find another Mr. Forney this soon. Well, we just had to take a trip to the newspaper and see who is reporting. Another Mr. Forney that would be the 3rd one, this one is Doug. I was now really shocked, for how in the world did the Gov find 3 Mr. Forney's. I would truly believe there is one Mr. James Douglas Forney. This was in the year that president Obama rewrote the laws on state funded credit unions, this is where your taxes took care of 245 credit unions in the state of Iowa, for they are no longe state funded. Did you get a refund? Me No, I did not even get my money found or the records. And to think Iowa layed off over 450,000 state employees to now pay our credit union in camanche, it is a state of the art, over a million. No one can answer the 3 Mr Forney's, and the Attn. Mr Bruhn who he and Mr. Chambers this would be Mr. Bruhn's attn. on the Foreclosure, Lien (paid off), Back taxes, this qualified you for court. Not with these 2, it only qualified me to live on the street, I paid the loans, and Mr. Fisher received, every thing, I got the boot, I have been living in a shellter I am on my 7th week, and went back in the work force as a dept collector, for to have a bed you have to work. I want answers, I have proof,but no one in Gov will do any thing NOT to help me. FBI, CAMANCHE POLICE, CLINTON POLICE, SHERRIFFS DEPT. COURT HOUSE, I could go on, but you can see where this is going, there is more, but I need some one that will help, for this is to big to just let it go on and on. Please send e-mail if you can help. Sincerely Kim

    August 13, 2012 at 11:03 pm | Report abuse |
  10. banasy©

    And as for this topic:
    It promises to be an interesting race; now that Ryan is involved, the stakes went up.
    I still see Obama as the winner, but things can change of a dime.

    August 13, 2012 at 11:39 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Rascal Rabble

    i think america can used lil r & r...

    August 14, 2012 at 12:31 am | Report abuse |
  12. revnowwhilewecan

    If I played the false left/right game this would be funny but still mildly amusing.....
    The $50 Lesson

    Recently, while I was working in the flower beds in the front yard, my neighbors stopped to chat as they returned home from walking their dog. During our friendly conversation, I asked their little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, "If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?" She replied... "I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people." Her parents beamed with pride! "Wow...what a worthy goal!" I said. "But you don't have to wait until you're President to do that!" I told her. "What do you mean?" she replied. So I told her, "You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and trim my hedge, and I'll pay you $50. Then you can go over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out and give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house." She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?" I said, "Welcome to the Republican Party." Her parents aren't speaking to me anymore.

    August 14, 2012 at 12:36 am | Report abuse |
    • Veronica

      You are a heartless uncompassionate man and your brand of humor is not welcome on this blog.

      August 14, 2012 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
    • revnowwhilewecan

      If I've offended you I am truly sorry. Let me explain 2 things to you though. #1 I have more compassion and love for my fellow Americans than you could ever know. It was a joke as stated in my opening sentence of the post so take a chill pill or #2 You presume a lot of things in one statement that you cannot be sure of like , I am a man, I'm heartless and I'm uncompassionate. A bit of humor once in a while is what this world and blog needs. False presumptions and ad homenim attacks are what is NOT welcome on this blog. You don't know me so I'll let this one slide but I assure you, you don't want to get into a battle of name calling or personal attacks because you cannot win. Once again, even though I do not owe an apology, I will give one if I have offended you but please, lighten up. I love you and have a great day. 🙂

      August 15, 2012 at 5:02 am | Report abuse |
  13. banasy©

    Gold star, lol.

    August 14, 2012 at 1:42 am | Report abuse |
  14. Rascal Rabble forgot to factor in a correction for lameduck status-no-jobs-empty-pockets-high-gas prices index...

    August 14, 2012 at 5:04 am | Report abuse |
  15. Hank

    This ticket takes America off the path towards social justice and returns us to the dark days of capitalism and the greedy rat race, one percenters and repoob allies trying to keep all the wealth for themselves.

    August 14, 2012 at 9:02 am | Report abuse |
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