September 6th, 2012
02:32 PM ET

Comments: 'Love him or hate him,' but Clinton fires up Democrats at convention

Editor's note: We're listening to you. Every day, we spot thought-provoking comments from readers. Here are some comments we noticed Thursday:

As former President Bill Clinton took to the stage at the Democratic National Convention, readers took to their cameras and keyboards to let us know what they thought about his speech Wednesday night and how the convention is going so far.

Five things we learned from Day Two of the DNC

Clinton has been a controversial figure not only for his politics but for his personal life and resulting impeachment. David P. Kronmiller of Burbank, California, alluded to this past, asking "does he help or hurt Democrats?" and referring to "mixed messages" even as he gave the former president good marks for his words.

"He's an excellent storyteller," Kronmiller said. "He's very good at telling the story of an event - in this case, Barack Obama's successes."

And then there's Mark Ivy, a CNN iReporter who says he leans toward Mitt Romney but was keeping an eye on "classic Bill Clinton" on Wednesday night. The Farmersburg, Indiana, resident said that although many people "love (Clinton) or hate him," he also felt that "no one knows how to reach out and touch the common folk better than the man from Hope," or exhibits better skills to "play to the base of the Democratic Party."

"Bill Clinton was vintage Bill Clinton tonight as he formally nominated President Barack Obama to carry the torch for yet another four years for the Democratic National Party. That included the fact that as customary, Bill was not short-winded... ."

Some of the reaction came directly from Charlotte, North Carolina, site of the DNC events. The following two iReporters won a CNN contest to attend the DNC, just as others had gone to the Republican National Convention.

Omekongo Dibinga of Washington noted in his video commentary that he felt the speech was effective despite some controversy surrounding the convention's second day.

"While the speech was a little long, he definitely got the point across," Dibinga said.

"Overall there was a great deal of energy around Day 2 of the DNC. President Clinton made a strong case for why we are better off than four years ago as well. Now it's time for President Obama to bring it home!"

Melissa Fazli of Yorba Linda, California, said she plans to vote for Obama and was excited to see the president in person. She also said she saw Clinton "electrify at the DNC" and added that "Bill Clinton is right. Two plus two does equal four."

"He did a terrific job by pointing out that it wasn't just the Democrats that put us in so much debt," she said. "Simple arithmetic."

While Clinton's speech provoked favorable responses from many commenters, plenty of readers felt uncomfortable about the former president speaking.

"What I learned from Day 2.
1) Republicans still hate Bill Clinton.
2) Bill Clinton is still relevant.
3) When Bill Clinton speaks America listens.
4) Bill Clinton drives Republicans crazy.
5) Bill Clinton knows he drives Republicans Bat Sh** crazy.
6) President Obama will seal the deal on Thursday.
7) Republicans are on now on suicide watch.
Obama 2012
Romney 1040"

middleright: "Why don't you ask Bill to show his tax returns, he makes a fortune speaking overseas. I bet most of that money never makes it back to the country you love. And ask Monica Lewinsky how her life is going since Bill and Hill destroyed with the likes of CNN and the rest, and ask him why he didn't pull the trigger on (Osama) bin laden when he ha(d) the chance, would of saved a lot of lives. What a great man. He's so great his wife is never home."

Many iReporters and commenters mentioned the controversy surrounding the inclusion in the Democratic platform of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Some called the DNC vote a "flip-flop."

Democrats update platform with Jerusalem, God reference

On iReport, a video from Ivy described the "rough second day start" to the DNC.

"After closing on such a high note last night, it seems the party leadership stepped in it today over the issues of God and Jerusalem. Even the votes to let God back in to the convention and to reaffirm Jerusalem as Israel’s capital has turned to controversy. It seemed apparent listening to the vote, that the majority wanted God shut out of the party. Not good for wooing independents, moderates or conservative Democrats sitting back in the heartland."

Dibinga also referred to the controversy in his video, saying the incident was discouraging but that Clinton brought the convention back on track.

"The main problem that I had with that was not so much the language, because that's what President Obama believed. It was the way in which they did it. It broke the spirit of unity that I could see from inside the convention. Of course there were people outside who were protesting and expressing their opinions, and nobody's bothering them, but inside there's been a real spirit of togetherness. President Clinton really brought that togetherness. He's the first major politician I've seen who came out and said we're better off than we were four years ago."

And then there were some who said they thought religion should not influence policy.

HectorLG: "This change was unneeded. It disregards all the people, like me, (who) are agnostic. Which God, anyhow? Completely backwards, Mr. President. I'm forced to vote for the best of the two evils, instead of the best of the candidates. Politics, that's all. Don't forget the Jewish vote, and their dollars in contributions."

Brian Smith: "Should have stuck to their guns. Israel does not own the USA. They can't tell us what to do, but wait, yes they can! What else do our Israeli overlords desire?  Oh right, they want us to attack Iran, unprovoked, and wipe them off the map. Gotcha."

Overall, readers oscillated between frustration with political procedures and interests involved, and concerns about the Democratic Party's attitude toward Judaism and religion in general.

Varun Verma: "We saw at DNC today how much democrats believe in democratic procedures. The voice vote clearly sounded like equal strength on both sides. It seems like they had already decided what the outcome they wanted for the voice vote. So they were simply insulting the delegates by taking their 'voice vote.' It not only exposed a divided house but also pandering to AIPAC (a pro-Israel lobbing group) as well as to polls showing God is important to voters. No principled leadership, only pandering and flip-flopping based on the polls."

Tex71: "Omitting Jerusalem from the platform might seem like a blunder to a very small group of ultra-religious folks who think the USA should keep messing with Middle Eastern politics for some vague apocalyptic reason. Personally, I am far more concerned by the omission from the GOP platform of any specific plan for job growth (throwing more money at the wealthy in hopes they will throw us a bone doesn't count) or really any other topic of substance, having no other clear goal besides making sure President Obama doesn't get re-elected – and turning back the clock 300 years on women's rights, and reducing the middle class to wage-slavery/serfdom. OK, I guess they do have somewhat of an agenda."

What's your take on the DNC so far? Share your opinion in the comments area below and in the latest stories on Or sound off on video via CNN iReport.

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  1. person

    The "reverse Clint Eastwood" comparison is not accurate. Eastwood talked to an empty chair, attacking the GOP's fantasy Obama–a socialist, spendthrift, stupid, irresponsible fairy-tale creature who doesn't really exist. Clinton hit issues hard with facts, and the fact checkers have found much less to dispute in his speech.

    September 6, 2012 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Calibrae

      I agree! One of the BIGGEST faux pas Eastie made was thinking Obama got us into Afghanistan!

      September 6, 2012 at 3:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • bobcat (in a hat)©

      If you want to see a biased, one sided, completely partisan fact check story, check out the one on the Yahoo news site.

      September 6, 2012 at 3:29 pm | Report abuse |


      September 6, 2012 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Alice

      Mariell, you seem like a well-intentioned nice person, but you couldn't be wronger. Bill Clinton was a cookie cutter tax and spend liberal which never helps the economy. Coincidentally, he was in the office as the internet was exploding and fortuitously rode the "dot com" bubble which drove prosperity. He had nothing to do with that. Then, when democrats in congress were brutally defeated and New Gingrich emerged, Congress compelled a balanced budget on him against his wishes. You can't be so simple that the depth of your analysis is, "He was there, all attributable to him..."

      September 6, 2012 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • ARRRRGH!

      >>>>Couldn't be more wrong<<<<,which of course, you are; you can't be so simple as to see that you're are totally brainwashed and have now become a good little enabling GOP brownshirt.

      September 6, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Joseph Stalin (famous quote)

    "The end justifies the means." This is also the rally cry of US and Israel today. And has been Israel's rally cry since 1948, when Israel's first PM adopted this 4talin quote to explain his own terrorist activities.

    September 6, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Report abuse |
  3. dazzle ©

    Bill Clinton has always been a charismatic and brilliant orator. I wonder how many undecideds were swayed to vote the Dem ticket based on this. Anyone?

    September 6, 2012 at 3:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Greg

      "These are not the droids you seek" works for mind controlling simpletons who cannot see behind the facade. Slick oratory abilities, even if only reading off a teleprompter, is a poor qualification for presidency. Snake oil salesmen, charlatans, used-car salemen, and these two dems, all of the same stripe. And they lead the rats like the pied piper. This is how cult of personality starts. "Hope and change", suckers, thanks for your vote, now watch me destroy all I survey...

      September 6, 2012 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • banasy©

      I don't think that the empty chair rhetoric and the 'what HE's done wrong' co-mingled with innacurate 'facts' (that they admit are innacurate, but okay for speech-making purposes) swayed anyone with a scintilla of common sense.

      September 6, 2012 at 4:09 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Bill Scmill

    He just happened to be president when the USA finally came out from under International Bankruptcy protection.
    After 70 years of being protected from creditors, a blind monkey could have led an economy so prepared.
    Acourse most of you ignorami never knew the US was ever declaed insolvent and awarded bankruptcy protection, so I might as well be talking into the air.

    September 6, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tiramasu

      I love a person who thinks they are so brilliant, and then misspells and uses slang, AND declares (see?) invisible people ignorami. Talk to the hand.

      September 6, 2012 at 3:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Helen

      You misspelled "tiramisu".

      September 6, 2012 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tiramasu

      This is my name. It's also a cross I have to bear.

      September 6, 2012 at 3:45 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Dan

    Newt Gingrinch leading a conservative Congree balances the budget, and Clinton takes credit.

    Democrats pass the Community Reinvestment Act which leads to the housing collapse and blame Bush.

    Only the wildly uninformed imagine Keynesian socialist economics can cure America's economic woes, but look at these azz clowns selling it. The uninformed are gobbling it up. And the uninformed army of freeloaders that vote 0bama are a numerical majority. God save us.

    September 6, 2012 at 3:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

      Right! And Bush discovered America! Brainwashed right wing idiot!

      September 6, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • nofluer

      John Maynard Keynes was a Fabian socialist and Keynesian economics is designed to destroy the economies that follow it.

      September 6, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

    Clint Eastwood spoke to an empty chair and an empty convention of clowns. President Clinton spoke to the American people about country, growth, prosperity, unity, democracy, love, respect, responsibility, equality and justice. He spoke about what it is to be American and on the concept of what it means to be one nation under God.

    Obama/Biden 2012 by a LANDSLIDE!

    September 6, 2012 at 3:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • J. Davis in Knoxville, TN

      AMEN, brother!

      September 6, 2012 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • StephVa

      I second that amen

      September 6, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • nofluer

      Given the people that Clinton works for and with, and the life he leads, one would have to wonder what the name of his god is? I sincerely doubt it's the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, father of the earthly incarnation of Jesus.

      September 6, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ken Brandt

      Would you like more Kool AId, Blah Blah?

      September 9, 2012 at 7:33 am | Report abuse |
  7. Words

    Very exciting for the opponent, only a couple of presidents every been impeached, I wish our leaders care more about people and less about themselves; as I see it, action is always larger than words; two words CIGAR IMPEACHED

    September 6, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tiramasu

      CIGAR IMPEACHED will not take away from his brilliance...see what you remember? Mind in the gutter.

      September 6, 2012 at 3:36 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Mike

    Mr. Clinton would do well to disassociate himself from Barack Obama and politics in general for that matter. History is not going to be kind to Mr. Obama. Clinton's reputation is tarnished enough without having to worry about "guilt by association."

    September 6, 2012 at 3:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tiramasu

      You say the same about JFK, right?

      September 6, 2012 at 3:37 pm | Report abuse |
  9. ana matusiewicz

    September 6, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Report abuse |
  10. rafael

    Yes, I'm sure Obama is spending his time worrying about this. Does CNN actually pay someone for this?

    September 6, 2012 at 3:33 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Cochise

    No, it is as easy as this; Obama's Mom was a Socialist
    His Father was an Anti Colonialist (What's his father's dream?)
    His Grandfather was a Marxist Stanley Dunham
    His Mentor Uncle Frank Marshal Davis was a Marxist
    His friends Clowerd and Piven of Columbia University are the same
    His appointees and Czars are Marxists- anyone Vann Jones
    His Minister was an Anti Colonial Marxist based his religion on Fidel Castro and Che Guevara's Church (Dr. Hal Cones)
    So Democrats ask yourself didn't John F Kennedy fight Marxism? Can anyone say Cuban Missile Crisis?
    Didn't John F. Kennedy say, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."
    44,000,000 on Welfare
    16 trillion in debt
    More people without jobs than at anytime in United States History
    1 in every 5 households on Government Assistance
    Solyndra, Barney Franks head of over sight committee with his live in lover Herb Moses of Fannie Mae Fredddie Mac
    Closed Oil Fields 2003 Gas prices $1.68 gas price today $4.19
    Good job getting the electorate to booo God, that should go over well.
    Yep hell of a job!
    Republicans shouldn't say Are you better off today
    they should say can you take anymore of this EXECUTIVE FIAT!

    September 6, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • EJsMom

      Two words that are responsible for most of that: Iraq and Afghanistan.

      September 6, 2012 at 3:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • WP

      You need to revisit 2008 what was left behind by the previous administration or listen to What Bill Clinton said last night. We were heading for world wide depression before Bush left office . Understand ?

      September 6, 2012 at 3:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

      ...And the history books already says that President Obama is the Greatest President in U.S. history! Keep rambling your right wing garbage!

      Obama/Biden 2012 by a LANDSLIDE!

      September 6, 2012 at 3:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Helen

      You rock, Cochise. On the one hand, "Golly, Bill and Barack are great charismatic speakers!" On the other hand, irrefutable facts. In the soviet union the communist totalitarian takeover was short and bloody. In America it's taking longer, and not overtly bloody yet, but there is a distict totalitarian takeover occurring.

      September 6, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • banasy©

      JFK sure did say that, and I think we amply give to our country by sending our son's and daughters to fight in pointless wars that are not winnable.
      Precisely *how* much more does one need to give, if their lives are not enough?

      September 6, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • banasy©

      By one man, in 3 1/2 years?

      September 6, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • nofluer

      WP said: We were heading for world wide depression before Bush left office .

      Exactly right, but do you know WHY? You'd best look at the Clinton Presidency that set the stage and wrote the script for the collapse of the US dollar and the US economy.

      September 6, 2012 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
  12. WP

    There is no comparison between the two. Eastwood , the original inventor of outsourcing spaghetti western, was a mess . Clinton has the intellect and world stage experience to deliver political philosophy.

    September 6, 2012 at 3:35 pm | Report abuse |
  13. J. Davis in Knoxville, TN

    I am so very proud to be a yellow dog Democrat. President Clinton did a fabulous job last night pointing out the differences between Obama and Romney. How could any ordinary American, middle class or lower class, even think of voting for Romney/Ryan? Apparently in the Mormon faith you can seek as much wealth as you want regardless of whose steps you trample on. If that is Christianity, it is not for me. Also, Paul Ryan doesn't practice the main tenet of the Catholic Church either–help the poor. That nun who spoke last night was right on and I support her completely! Republicans say they are pro-life but are definitely not–if you destroy a person's life by laying them off just to line your own pockets and you cause the shut-down of businesses, how can you call that pro-life. Obama/Biden is the only ticket to consider in 2012. Thanks President Clinton and all other speakers at the Democratic Convention last night. Tonight I'm looking forward to our great President Obama speaking! Thanks CNN for the excellent coverage but I wish you would take off John King and his wife who are known dedicated Republicans!

    September 6, 2012 at 3:38 pm | Report abuse |
  14. chrissy

    Ignorami? That certainly is a surefire way of bringing people around to your way of thinking! Lol And Tiramasu, the new saying is *talk to the booty, cuz the hands off duty* lmao but either way it certainly applies to this idiot dont it?

    September 6, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

    Are we better off as a nation than we were four years ago? Yes! I can see the Freedom Tower 10 miles from the Hudson River! And by the way, the GOT didn't build that! A BLUE state of intelligent and patriotic Americans built it!

    Obama/Biden 2012 by a LANDSLIDE!

    September 6, 2012 at 3:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • nofluer

      Are we better off as a nation than we were four years ago?
      NO! Not economically, not socially, not in ANY respect! Only the blind and ignorant would say yes.

      September 6, 2012 at 4:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Citrus

      You are kidding, right? OF COURSE we're better off than 4 years ago! Our troops from Iraq are back, the job hemmoraging has stopped...what planet are you from?? I'm not even from America, and I can see that!!

      September 6, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Report abuse |
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