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Slain ambassador warned in '08 about extremists near Benghazi
Before he became U.S. ambassador to Libya, J. Christopher Stevens warned in a 2008 diplomatic cable of jihadist sentiment growing not far from Benghazi.
Stevens, who became ambassador to Libya this year, was killed this week in an attack that U.S. sources tell CNN was planned by a pro-al Qaeda group of extremists. While it is not definitively clear whether this group, or what group specifically, is behind the attack, it's clear that Stevens expressed concern about a radical movement fomenting in the port city of Derna.
The cable was leaked in the trove that WikiLeaks released in 2010 and 2011, and CNN reported on it last year.
In his 2008 missive Stevens, who at the time was U.S. deputy chief of mission in the North African nation, wrote about that "one Libyan interlocutor likened young men in Derna to Bruce Willis' character in the action picture "Die Hard", who stubbornly refused to die quietly."
There is "frustration at the inability of eastern Libyans to effectively challenge" Moammar Gadhafi's regime, Stevens wrote.
That and "a concerted ideological campaign by returned Libyan fighters from earlier conflicts, have played important roles in Derna's development as a wellspring of Libyan foreign fighters in Iraq."
Moammer Gadhafi was killed in October 2011, at the hands of Libyans.
"Other factors include a dearth of social outlets for young people, local pride in Derna's history as a locus of fierce opposition to occupation, economic disenfranchisement among the town's young men. Depictions on satellite television of events in Iraq and Palestine fuel the widespread view that resistance to coalition forces is justified and necessary," Stevens wrote.
Stevens describes Derna: "The lower-middle class neighborhood, comprising poured concrete homes crowded along largely unpaved streets, sits on a hill overlooking the town ... A number of residents were on the streets; however, they were visibly more wary and less friendly than in other Libyan towns."
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Wow. So he warned Hillary of the pro Al Qaeda eastern tribes in 2008, and in her infinite wisdom she still chose to arm the tribes to topple Qadafi, and now those armed tribes killed him. Dude, I am sorry. You forfeited your life working for a complete imbicile.
HIllary became SOS when President Obama took office in Janurary 09', Therefore your a complete moron please stop watching fox news and spreading hate and ignorance. And we did not send weapons to libya. We sent non lethal aid and air power. So please please please i beg you to do less talking and more learning. Your just a puppet being used.
Even if Hilary was not SOS in '08. The information is available to the the State department. I'm sure he shared the same observation with his boss again in "09. So, Patrick... you are the moron, not John. 🙂
John, the logic of what you wrote, if you want to call it that, is partisan moronicism. Congratulations. Thank you for playing. Try again next time.
Umm...Secretary of State Hilary Clinton did not take office until the current POTUS was inaugurated in 2009.
Patrick,FL – How do you know we didn't supply them militarily? You got privy info? =ROLLING EYES=
This result reminds me of the blame being put on Bush because of 9/11. If President Obama was told of this information, he should have been more cautious about Libya and Egypt instead of embracing it. Looking back with his statements last year about the Arab Spring, he looks like a complete fool.
In defence of John. You guys don't win an argument by calling someone with a differing position a moron. What you are trying to do makes you the same as the mob in Benghazi and Cairo – you are pawns in the hands of the powerful few. All you are doing is trying the silence the voice of dissent. Check out the history of what happened in post-Tsar Russia and pre-WWII Germany, in Cuba, in North Korea and China. You guys are doing the same thing to John, who has been just someone who articulated a personal view different from the mob bias/status quo of CNN.
Instead of attempting to force censure on another person which is frankly hypocritical, you could listen to both and form your own opinions balancing the opinions of both sides. Its fairly rare that anyone has an objective opinion anymore. But go ahead, you can tell me to take myself off somewhere to be shut up by those of you who don't want to hear what I have to say either. Guess what, you can choose to disregard it, or continue hating each other. I still get to say it and I wouldn't stop Fox news or CNN or anyone else from saying anything the feel they want to say, misguided or not, its not hate mongering its a difference of opinion or is anyone that disagrees with those of you hating on the orgininal comment automatically a horrible person. Two or three sentences of a differnce of opinion and this guy's a hate breeding insult deserving moron? Come on, don't be a hyprocrite and open your mind a little. This is a trajedy to be mourned, not to cause more infighting between what are decent people who are saddened by this event and lashing out at each other over the details, failing the big picture.
Hindsight proved him right.At the time there was not enough evidence to back his claim. Making decisions based on one person's observations is NOT good policy.
Didn't Chris die from the fire that was set to the Consulate, and not from weapons? As far as I'm aware, fire is free, and available to everyone with a brain.
I'm not a diplomat nor have I ever lived in Iraq but even I as an American observer would have told you during the Libyan 'resistance' that America was cutting its nose to spite its face. The one sided reporting in Libya by the Western media killed the last remaining faith I had in reporting. Sarkozy the cheerleader, along with Cameron and Obama helped caused this mess in Libya as well as Mali. Ironic that this happened on Sept 11 by groups the US had armed and 11 years ago, the people who bombed the twin towers had also previously been armed by the US to fight in Afghanistan. With US foreign policy as it is, it might be better to let children decide our foreign policy.
Hey, John, I am pleased that you too got the talking points memo from Reince Priebus Coitus (SCREW-US) Maximus... we must, as good members of the Reptile Party, attack every Democrat... our party and our psychosis demands that!
Patrick, FL...you need to take your own advice. You are the one being hateful and ignorant. Calling someone a moron is not hateful??? It seems that you are the puppet being used very well by your liberal handlers.
The only imbicile in this unfortunate and sad event is John the author of those inane comments
You guys don't win an argument by calling someone with a differing position a moron. What you are trying to do makes you the same as the mob in Benghazi and Cairo – you are pawns in the hands of the powerful few. All you are doing is trying the silence the voice of dissent. Check out the history of what happened in post-Tsar Russia and pre-WWII Germany, in Cuba, in North Korea and China. You guys are doing the same thing to John, who has been just someone who articulated a personal view different from the mob bias/status quo of CNN.
I like it when someone calls someone out for being dumb, but then can't correctly spell the words they are using. If you cannot spell or craft a grammatically correct sentence, please don't throw stones because you are living in a glass house. With the resources available today, there is no reason to mispell words (find the irony in my last sentence and you win the prize).
I-M-B-E-C-I-L-E
Mike. Ditto. You have several errors in your comment, grammar and punctuation. If the same rules apply, stop making comments. 🙂
Just go back to Fox and don't post their lying stories here...
I'm from Canada. I am a independent observer of America Politics. I find CNN completely unreliable as a news source. NBC, CBS have infuriated me at times too. Believe it or not, Fox News is actually fair and balance. Their Opinion shows are just that, but look at their news reports, they actually do a good journalistic work. CNN failed by every standard of journalism, in my view, though.
Oh shut up and mind your own business
hahahahahahahahaha! Faux News, really?
Then you have very poor analytical skills.
Fox, the only news channel that has so much difficulty with the truth, that they are not allowed to have Canadian channels.
I also am a canadian, and I agree with you/ I find CNN's biases beyond belief. I was never a fox viewer or supporter, but I have started to watch some of their shows and in some cases they show more balance than cnn. THey don't pretend to be neutral, but they do attempt to get both sides of the story.
HA HA HA HA HA! When your own network prime-time shows start taking potshots at your news organization, your news organization is a joke! Please, FOX has been caught repeatedly making up facts and running bogus stories.
How about some examples to back up your claims?
In your mind maybe, but FOX is rated as the most accurate of the major news networks and besides they haven't lost 50% of their base for erroneous storys like CNN has! ..you know, the ones like Trayvon Martin being killed by a white supremist named George Zimmerman! ....eeeh gads
Newsflash, I have read some garbage on these blogs but "unbiased FOX" reeks. You people will likely be invaded if our Tea Party comes to power. You guys got oil up there? Would seem to be a target to me.
Thank you "news flash"
You would be correct. Our news media is so biased. It is wrong. What concerns me is people are stupid enough to be lieve anything they hear. I found another source reporting on events in America which has been fairly reliable isrealnationalnews. I am not Jewish, but they report from their view point. I also go to other countries news stations.
Funny that you find CNN completely biased yet you're posting on the CNN blog, and probably getting your news at the same time – just sayin'
You are a liar in many ways...
You may be independent ,but you must be fairly biased and conservative to make that observation. Most objective observers see Fox News as a wing of the Republican Party and extremely biased. Come on, having the genius Sarah Palin as a guest commentator? Even a Canadian who's been lost in the woods for 50 years would recognize her as not the brightest star in the sky while cashing in on ignorance, her own and others.
Newsflash: you are an idiot.
Who asked you?
I guess that is why Canada will not let Fox broadcast from Canadian soil, that whole lying thing is overrated...right?
You must be kidding Newsflash. FoxNews has never reported anything fair or unbiased as far as Obama is concerned. I have read a lot of article on Fox which are later determined to be total lies, but yet they continued to report the same lies.
LOL, like anyone cares what Canadians say.
I agree with you 1000 times. So why do we read CNN? I quite frankly rarely watch Fox news and even less view their online content.
CNN lost 59% of its following last year with stories like, George Zimmerman being a white supremist murdering an inocent black youth named Trayvon Martin! Also Fareed Zakaria being caught plagiarizing didn't help them either! ...LOL
Thaks!!! I needed a good laugh...
Umm no.... polls have shown that Fox news watchers are more likely to be uniformed of factual events. Why? Because Fox News constantly lies (as do the other news outlets). It is entertainment and it's not designed to be factual. They actually even argued and won a major court case that said they don't have to tell the truth because it's "entertainment". Look it up.
Thank you.
Fox News is banned in Canada, silly!
Fox news is banned in Canada...silly.
Fox News banned in Canada. It's Illegal to broadcast lies and label it News according to Canadian Law. But it's fair and balanced. Right..
Newsflash....you must be ultra conservative wingnut to say that Fox is balanced. Cnn is balanced toward the left, just as Fox is totally in the Extreme right column...
you are incorrect. everyone knows that Fox News leans completely to the right, MSNBC completely to the left and CNN in between but a little left. The truth is in the middle and it always will be.
They are all, "In The Tank" ,for Obama no matter what realities they see.
FOX news is number 1 for good reasons, while the other guys are in retreat! ....communism is yesterdays news!
Dear Canada
is there room for a family of four who fears another 4 years of Obama.
Newsflash is a partisan hack. I know you, bro.
Instead of attempting to force censure on another person which is frankly hypocritical, you could listen to both and form your own opinions balancing the opinions of both sides. Its fairly rare that anyone has an objective opinion anymore. But go ahead, you can tell me to take myself off somewhere to be shut up by those of you who don't want to hear what I have to say either. Guess what, you can choose to disregard it, or continue hating each other. I still get to say it and I wouldn't stop Fox news or CNN or anyone else from saying anything the feel they want to say, misguided or not, its not hate mongering its a difference of opinion or is anyone that disagrees with those of you hating on the orgininal comment automatically a horrible person. Two or three sentences of a differnce of opinion and this guy's a hate breeding insult deserving moron? Come on, don't be a hyprocrite and open your mind a little. This is a trajedy to be mourned, not to cause more infighting between what are decent people who are saddened by this event and lashing out at each other over the details, failing the big picture.
You're just reposting the original post you put up earlier and so I shall do the same! Just for the fun of it though!
I don't know what the original comment is but I gotta say, whether it applies here or not, that there's a difference between a difference of opinion and someone making up facts, taking things out of context, outright lying or just plain getting it wrong. Not everything out there is just a difference of opinion. Sometimes one side is just plain wrong.
It is all obamas fault...
Ug,you are bieng more political than factual.
Look around who is Obama's Advisors, Don't Blame Obama, For America's Problems, America is A Very Racist Country, America Can make you And Break You, They Prefer To Break You.
The problem is "Fox followers" have no place to post their comments. FoxNews removed their "freedom of speech" comment board. I guess they don't want comments that don't meet the right-wing, conservative agenda. Opposing viewpoints are no longer welcome on FoxNews!
Apparently they are not welcome here, either. Liberals preach tolerance, but they are full of hate for anyone who doesn't agree with them. How sick. I am very thankful that I don't have to be around people like you.
the internet has backfired on our politicians,we are more informed about what's really happening now than ever before.without the internet,we would never have found out just how many Americans have died for nothing in the mideast.ever since re-establishing I s ra el,the mideast has been nothing but a black hole,a bucket of blood and a death camp all rolled i nto one.the smartest thing America can do is pack up our troops and our money and leave those people to their own self made destruction.
Actually I think they stopped it because over half the comments were overtly racist.
I I think they removed the boards because they were turning into the boards you find here. Ridiculous trollers and people who are filled with hate on each end of the party lines. Go to real clear politics dot com if you REALLY want to get a fair prospective on Dems and Rep. Course, it is only good if you actually take the stance of attempting to be more objective. Also, the people who post there are intelligent and educated so most here could not hold a candle in their discussions.
The Wall Street Journal is owned now by the same organization as Fox News and it has because more of a conservative tabloid than a serious newspaper. Their editorials sometimes are so ridiculous they compete with the Comedy Netwrok and one has to look to Jon Stewart ons Steve Colbert to get serious news.
How ironic you bring up "freedom of speech". It was this adminstrations statement from the embassy that the video "abused" our freedom of speech! Learn the facts!
Teens want their own site of compatible peers. They are not ready for adult social intercourse.
It's not just lib views that Fox doesn't want, I get the feeling they don't want any individual input. CNN allows all voices to be heard, even if its core is leftish. Besides, they are the most intelligent voice to be heard amongst the *english*. Where do you go when the earth is on fire? CNN! If you're objective you can see through any slant from either side and it's actually fun to challange your own assumptions. This is called critical thinking.
So anything you disagree with is a lie. You are the reason that liberals make me sick. Get a brain and think for yourself instead of believing anything your liberal leaders tell you. Try doing some research and you will find that what you are calling lies is the truth. I do my own research and know how to think. I am not a robot like the liberals.
No, I do not claim that everything I disagree with is a lie. And I do my own research, and I've found flaws in things that are said by both sides. I also see truths that are distorted and spun to reinforce the opinions of both parties, especially their extreme wings. The reason I consider myself a liberal lies in my belief that this should be ONE nation, not a country divided along the lines of ideology. I can not support a party which proudly proclaimed that their primary objective is to "make sure that Obama is a one term president" when the country needed true bipartisanship to resolve a crisis. I believe that we should be able to talk to one another without resorting to name calling and insults. I am not a robot, and I will make up my own mind as to who I choose to support.
OK, Cindy, which part of that comment isn't true? He didn't go to the security briefing. He was in Las Vegas receiving campaign funds. Care to provide evidence to the contrary? Are people really that ignorant?
no one is interested in Fox news poison. We'd much rather read something objective, rather than from an organization dedicated to a narrow and hate-filled political agenda.
Right, because CNN is an "objective" news source without a hate-filled political agenda. You sound just as misinformed and pathetic as John.
Ice cream is way delicious. I wish I could afford to get some.
What do you mean, "as misinformed and pathetic as John"? John is right. Sure, Stevens made record of extremist presence in 2008 and Hillary took office in 2009. With knowledge of the presence of extremists, specifically al qaeda the same as Osama bin Ladin, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton funneled arms to the extremists so that they could attack Muamar Qadafi commencing February 2012. Yesterday, the extremists armed by Hillary Clinton killed four Americans. Plain as the nose on your face. Come on, Arab Spring is a total disaster.
Um, Momo died in October 2011, making that commencement date a little off.
You must mean like CNN or MSNBC? Same shoe just a different foot...if you're not blinded by bias...
So you're reading CNN instead? That's kinda like jumping to the parallel line, bud..
Actually the real spilling messages comes from your own party. Want proof? Just scroll through the comment pages of this site. Congratulations on your party pitting Americans against American. That's why you're a failure.
Oh please, FOX is number one and the nearest liberal piece of garbage isn't even close in ratings! ...grow up!
It is foolish to ignore the other major media outlet. Read a piece about the same event from both sites and you will have a more accurate depiction of what really happened. You would be a fool to rely exclusively on one news source.
Unfortunately you are wrong about Fox News. They are Number 1 in the ratings and well above CNN and MSN.
HI Joseph, if foox news did not exist then you would have your way and that would be a bad thing. Get off of your high horse and stop whining like a little baby. Wah foox news doesn't report the stories I want them to report, news flash, dont watch it dorkus.
Break out the B-52s and bomb Derna into the stone age!!!
Please grow a Pre-Frontal Cortex.
They already live in the stone age and they want to be sure everyone else lives that way, too.
I am so sick and tired to the "standard Muslim response" of total irrational violence tyrannical response to everything they don't like in the name of Mohammed and Islam. Who died and left them boss? They don't put their pants on one leg at a time? What if everytime we were slighted we went beserk. What kind of society would we be? I find it hard to welcome any Muslims at this point, knowing that their core values are so on the edge of violence. Ridiculous!
A typical muslim society. Majority of muslims are not religious but they don't dare to confess their opinions because of fear. Thats how terrorists have taken over the muslim world.
Hate to break into your BELIEFS, but these folks do not wear PANTS; these are the ROBE people, like your imiginary JESUS...
Yup. Wikileaks is bad. That doesn't stop the news networks from using it and profiting from it, though.
Oooo, the festering rodents sqeal in unison. It is no wonder you are devoted sycophant disciples of a failed administration. The arming of the known pro Al Qaeda eastern tribes was completely and thoroughly a Hillary/Barack initiative, and to disavow that betrays you as apologists of failure. This man is dead for the mistakes of your leader, and you still defend him? Islamic Brotherhood are standing on the wall of the US Embassy in Cairo tearing down the US flag while raising the Al Qaeda flag, and you still defend him? The Arab Spring installs extremist regimes hostile to the US, and you defend that.
Outnumbered, I am pleased to be opposed to you. Your position is indefensible and all the backslapping clamoring "We're right and we don't watch fox" won't change that.
So what are your thoughts on George Bush, were you a supporter, everything he did was right on. How about Reagan who actually gave weapons to Osama bin Laden in the 80's. Your pathetic and ignorant beyond comprehension.
Bill. It's you're. Not your. Here is an example. YOU'RE not that intelligent.
Tom, thanks
Bill, YOU ARE A MORON, yes, G Bush is a MORON, who lied and went to war and yes Al Qaida is the seed that Reagan planted in Afghanistan. People like you just dont get it, and what makes you think he is a Republican
Sid, so you agreed with what I said but I am a moron. which part offended you? that I assumed he is republican. Your right he definitely talks like an Obama supporter.....idiot
Bill. You are on the right track. Don't mind them. John won't respond to actual logic, it is a foreign concept. He is actually suffering from some kind of complex, seen in his comment about standing outnumbered against the world. Tom and John shield their partisanship by attacking your grammar. They couldn't write a paragraph between them without errors. And Sid, well, I can't tell where he is coming from, but when you use capital letters...what can I say? My experience with half of the GOP partisans is this: for them it is emotional, not rational. Trying to convince them of something is useless. Write what you want to write to get your point across so the 10 percent undecided might read a different point of view. These guys will never be convinced nor will they change. 🙂
John. psychotics will ALWAYS be outnumbered... just deal with it...
Here's a novel concept you partisan hacks. Both Bush and Obama were wrong in putting us smack in the middle of sectarian violence and ruining any inkling of stability that previously existed. Wait what? Obama and Bush were the same? How could that be?!!
"Experts point to al Qaeda"
I wonder if it could be some of the "flickers of al Qaeda" members that were indicated by an American general during the assistance of Libyian rebels to overthrow Omar? So again, America planted the seeds of violence towards itself.
When will we ever realize that we will never make these people civil?
You are correct. They will never be civil towards the West. Their "religion" is at odds with everything we stand for. Infidels must either convert to Islam or be killed. Those who believe that Islam is a peaceful "religion" are very misguided.
0bama means more free stuff. Vote 0bama.
If this leads to another US war – like Iran – suspect Bush WH gand and Israel Mossad....
They have trained groups worldwide to create 'pearl harbor events' as they wish.
see youtube - CIA Asset Susan Lindauer Can Now Speak 10 years after 9-11.
Yeah, they did it. All of Congress and CIA know and do nothing.
You are right on the spot.
You need better conspiracy theories. For a decent starting point a conspiracy theory must, most importantly, make sense. THEN try and build a case.
If the parties committing the conspiracy are harming themselves by committing it, as is the case you are describing, why would they do so? All 9/11 did for Israel was make sure the US was already too engaged to do much about Iran's nukes.
There is a factual mistatement in tis article...'..Ghaddafi killed at the hands of Libyans". The whole truth is there was a NATO airstrike on his convoy and he was gravely wounded. Then, he was killed at the hands of a jihadist mob.
Yo man. We need to send in the big guns.
"Your" – belongs to you
"You're" – contraction of "you are".
If you are going to argue, at least use proper language.
Seriously! That's the best you have to offer. Our ambassador has been murdered and you want to correct grammar. Your obviously not qualified to be here.
@Karonkc
"You're obviously not qualified to be here." Fixed.