December 14th, 2012
11:18 PM ET

Children and adults gunned down in Connecticut school massacre

  • 20 children, six adults and the shooter are dead after shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, on Friday morning
  • Three law enforcement officials say Adam Lanza, 20, was the shooter, and that he died apparently by his own hand
  • Suspect's mother, Nancy Lanza, found dead in suspect’s home in Newtown, law enforcement source says
  • Ryan Lanza, 24, older brother of Adam Lanza, questioned by police but not labeled a suspect, three law enforcement officials say
  • Below are the latest updates as they come to us. You also can read our story of the Connecticut school shooting

[Updated at 11:18 p.m. ET] Aimee Seaver, the mother of a first-grade girl at Sandy Hook and a fifth-grader who attends a different school, told CNN's Anderson Cooper that her children are having trouble dealing with what happened.

"It's a very rough night here," she said. "When your first-grader goes to bed and says, 'Mommy, is anyone from my class last year - are they all OK?' and you look at them and say, 'I'm not really sure,' it's a rough night to tell that to your 7-year-old."

Her younger daughter has asked a lot of questions about Principal Dawn Lafferty Hochsprung, who was killed.

“She got wind very quickly that something was wrong with our principal, which we didn’t tell her till just now that yes, she was definitely hurt and it wasn’t good," Seaver said. "It’s taking her a while. I think tomorrow will probably be harder for her.

“I also have a fifth-grader who came off the bus crying because she … had a sister who she was worried about, and … just basically left that school a few months ago. I think for a lot of those kids, they kind of are a little older and can get it a little bit faster, even though they weren’t in it.

“So the questions, I think, are coming. They’re not here, yet, especially for the littler ones. It started as I put them to bed tonight, the questions.”

[Updated at 10:50 p.m. ET] Janet Vollmer, a kindergarten teacher at the school, says she locked her classroom doors and - to keep her students calm - read them a story until the police came.

Vollmer, her 19 students and the adult helpers in her classroom were not injured.

"You could hear what sounded like pops, gunshots. Of course, I’m not going to tell that to 5-year-olds, so I said to them, ‘We’re going over in a safe area,'" Vollmer told CNN's Anderson Cooper. "And we read a story and we kept them calm, did a lockdown drill, closed the doors, locked (them), covered the windows, and kept the children with us.”

She said the children knew something unusual was going on.

“It didn’t seem a natural thing (to the children), although we do practice drills," Vollmer said. "We said, ‘We’re not really sure, but we’re going to be safe, because we’re sitting over here and we’re all together.’”

When asked how she kept cool, she said: “With 5-year-olds, you can’t lose it. I’ve been doing this for a long time, it’s my 18th year of teaching. My job was to keep them safe."

"After we got down to the firehouse, later on, as a lot of the events started to unfold throughout the day  I think some of (the children) realized the magnitude of what was going on.," she said. "They saw other people upset. We just held them close until their parents came and we released them.”

[Updated at 8:58 p.m. ET] Denise Correia says her daughter, a Sandy Hook Elementary second-grader who was not injured, heard the gunshots from the classroom she was in. The girl, while talking about the shooting with Correia, has been mentioning slain principal Dawn Lafferty Hochsprung "quite a lot."

"I think everyone's coping as best as they possibly can," Correia told CNN's Anderson Cooper. "I'm letting her talk. She's mentioned quite a bit about the principal, who many of us have worked with. I adored her. I worked with her personally with my business. That is one person I know we have lost on a personal level."

Correia said she has heard that her daughter's teacher, when the gunfire started, grabbed two kids from the hallway, put them into her classroom with other students, locked the door and gathered the students to a side of the room away from the gunfire. "She did a very heroic thing," Correia said of the teacher.

"The kids are going to suffer from this," Correia said. "... We lost a lot of babies today in this town, and there are a lot of very sad families."

[Updated at 8:20 p.m. ET] One injured victim, a female employee of the school, is "doing well," Connecticut State Police Lt. J. Paul Vance said.

[Updated at 7:53 p.m. ET] The public release of the victims' names may come on Saturday morning, Connecticut State Police Lt. J. Paul Vance says.

Vance said investigators have made preliminary identifications of the bodies, and that they've notified the appropriate families. But investigators want to make final, positive identifications before releasing the names to the media.

"It's a horrific scene," Vance said. "Between our mutual experience, we've never seen anything like this."

Vance said the next briefing from state police would be at 8 a.m. ET Saturday.

[Updated at 7:48 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Connecticut, says her thoughts and prayers are with the families.

"This really hits close to home," said DeLauro, who said she is visiting her grandchildren in Washington, D.C. "These beautiful young angels who had so much to live for - and it seems so senseless. Unthinkable that this could happen ,but it has, and now, as the president said, we come together, we wrap our arms around these families and hold them close to our hearts."

[Updated at 7:10 p.m. ET] Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, offered his prayers for the families of those affected by the Connecticut shooting, according to a release from the group.

The shooting "wrenches the hearts of all people," he said.

"Once again we speak against the culture of violence infecting our country even as we prepare to welcome the Prince of Peace at Christmas," Dolan said. "All of us are called to work for peace in our homes, our streets and our world, now more than ever.”

Faisal Ali, right, of Colorado Springs, Colorado, joins other people outside the White House in Washington, D.C., to participate in a vigil to remember the Connecticut school shooting on Friday.

[Updated at 6:51 p.m. ET] A law enforcement official familiar with the investigation says the three guns found at the shooting site were legally purchased by Nancy Lanza, the mother of the suspect in the shooting.

According to the law enforcement official, the Glock and Sig Sauer handguns were found inside the school with the deceased gunman. The Bushmaster was found in a car outside the school. The official did not know if the car was registered to the gunman, to his mother or to someone else.

The official echoed what other law enforcement officials have told CNN: That Adam Lanza was the suspected gunman, and that he died at the scene of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot.

[Updated at 6:44 p.m. ET] Three U.S. law enforcement officials, from different agencies, separately tonight identified the suspected shooter as Adam Lanza, contrary to what investigators had said previously. It is not clear what caused the confusion among investigators.

His older brother, Ryan, was taken into custody for general questioning from a home in Hoboken, New Jersey. Officials did not label Ryan Lanza as a suspect. It is unclear when he may be released.

One of the officials say Adam’s father was also taken in for similar questioning. There is no indication that the father will be charged. The official noted the father has remarried and lives with his new wife in a residence in the general area of Connecticut not too far from where his ex-wife lived.

[Updated at 6:43 p.m. ET] CNN’s Susan Candiotti is talking to investigators at the scene as they piece together exactly what happened and when. She says she’s learned that the mother of the suspected shooter, Nancy Lanza, was found dead in the suspect’s home in Newtown.

“Earlier we had information that she was found in the classroom. However, now I’m being told that in fact her body was found at the suspect's residence," Candiotti said. "We don't know whether she also lived there. We also don't know the timeline - when was she killed? Was she killed before the shooting began at the school? These are the things that authorities are still trying to piece together.”

[Updated at 6:02 p.m. ET] "Evil visited this community today," Connecticut Gov. Dan Malloy just told reporters in Newtown. "And it's too early to speak of recovery, but each parent, each sibling, each member of the family has to understand that Connecticut - we're all in this together.

"We'll do whatever we can to overcome this event. We will get through it. But this is a terrible time for this community and these families."

[Updated at 5:14 p.m. ET] The mother of the suspected shooter was found dead in her son's residence in Newtown, a law enforcement source with detailed knowledge of the investigation told CNN. CNN had previously identified the mother as Nancy Lanza, a teacher at the Sandy Hook Elementary, according to law enforcement sources.

The source also told CNN there was no body found in the house searched by authorities in Hoboken, New Jersey. Two law enforcement sources say a man was taken away from questioning from that house. He is believed to be the brother of the shooter, according to the sources.

The first law enforcement source says the school shooter was dressed in "black battle fatigues and a military vest."

The Bushmaster .223 found at the scene is a semi automatic weapon, the source says. Two other weapons found were handguns, a Sig-Sauer and a Glock.

[Updated at 5:10 p.m. ET] We just learned that Governor Dannel P. Malloy will be speaking at Treadwell Park in Newtown, Connecticut, at 6:00 p.m. ET.

[Updated at 5:04  p.m. ET] We've just received a statement from U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan about the shooting:

"School shootings are always incomprehensible and horrific tragedies. But words fail to describe today's heartbreaking and savage attack at Sandy Hook Elementary School. As the father of two children in elementary school, I can barely imagine the anguish and losses suffered today by the Newtown community.

"Our hearts and prayers go out to every parent, child, teacher, staff member, and administrator at Sandy Hook and the surrounding community. And our thanks go out to every teacher, staff member, and first responder who cared for, comforted, and protected children from harm, often at risk to themselves. We will do everything in our power to assist and support the healing and recovery of Newtown."

[Updated at 5:01  p.m. ET] Law enforcement officials are not prepared to identify the shooter right now, Connecticut State PoliceLt. J. Paul Vance said in a press conference.

Vance said that they are working diligently at the crime scene as well as with the medical examiner to identify the victims.

"We will leave no stone unturned," Vance added about the entire investigation.

[Updated at 4:54 p.m. ET] We are now being told there was no body found in the Hoboken, New Jersey, home as had been previously reported.

[Updated at 4:23 p.m. ET] We have learned that Connecticut police have searched the suspected gunman's home and place of employment in the wake of Friday's mass shooting, Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance told CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

They have also interviewed his friends, relatives and "everyone who possibly had any connection with him whatsoever," he said.

[Updated at 4:11 p.m. ET] Police did not discharge their weapons at any time when responding at the school, police spokesman Lt. Paul Vance told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. However, he could not confirm whether the suspected shooter - who died at the scene - killed himself, saying that would have to be determined by the medical examiner.

[Updated at 4:07 p.m. ET] Mark Kelly, who's lived through this kind of horror, has issued a statement. He's the husband of former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords who was shot in the head at a massacre in Tucson, Arizona, in January 2011. Here's what he said:

I just woke up in my hotel room in Beijing, China, to learn that another mass shooting has taken place - this time at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. My thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims and the entire community of Newtown, CT. I just spoke to Gabby, and she sends her prayers from Tucson.

As we mourn, we must sound a call for our leaders to stand up and do what is right. This time our response must consist of more than regret, sorrow, and condolence. The children of Sandy Hook Elementary School and all victims of gun violence deserve leaders who have the courage to participate in a meaningful discussion about our gun laws - and how they can be reformed and better enforced to prevent gun violence and death in America. This can no longer wait.

[Updated at 3:56 p.m. ET] The principal killed was Dawn Hochsprung. We received this photo via

[Updated at 3:54 p.m. ET] Three guns were found at the scene, CNN's Susan Candiotti reports. According to a law enforcement source, the third weapon found on the scene was a .223 Bushmaster. The other weapons, previously reported, are a Glock, and a Sig-Sauer. No word on the models of Glock or Sig-Sauer.

[Updated at 3:51 p.m. ET] A federal law enforcement source tells CNN's John King the information from the scene is that the shooter arrived and headed directly toward and to his mother’s classroom. That and the other information now emerging - another family member killed, police interviews - lead them to believe his mother was the primary target. But they note he also came armed with clear intention of mass killing.

[Updated at 3:45 p.m. ET] There were a total of 27 people dead at the school, Lt. Paul Vance of the Connecticut State Police said.

Six adults, 20 children and the shooter were killed. Eighteen students were pronounced dead at the scene, and two others died at the hospital, said Lt. Paul Vance of the Connecticut State Police. The six adults died at the scene.

[Updated at 3:43 p.m. ET] Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance has just said that the shooting took place in one section of the school and in two rooms.

[Updated at 3:33 p.m. ET] Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy called the mass shooting "a tragedy of unspeakable terms."

"Earlier today a tragedy of unspeakable terms played itself out in this community," Malloy said, adding that "you can never be prepared for this kind of incident.

"A number of our citizens, beautiful children, had their life taken away from them as well as adults whose responsibility it was to educate and supervise those children," Malloy said.

[Updated at 3:22 p.m. ET] It appears that another member of the alleged shooter's family is dead. A senior law enforcement official familiar with the investigation says a brother of the alleged shooter was found dead in a home searched in Hoboken, New Jersey. We already knew the suspect's mother was found dead in the elementary school.

(6:43 p.m. ET update - CNN’s Susan Candiotti is talking to investigators and has now learned that the mother of the suspected shooter was found dead in the suspect’s home in Newtown. No brother of the suspect has been found dead, and no one has been found dead in the home in Hoboken, New Jersey, investigators say.)

[Updated at 3:16 p.m. ET] From the president: "I offered Gov. Malloy my condolences on behalf of the nation."

The president appears to be emotional, he's wiping his eye.

Here's more of what he's saying:

"We've endured too many of these tragedies in the past few years. Each time I learn the news I react not as a president but as anybody else would as a parent.

"That was especially true today.

"I know there's not a parent in America that doesn't feel the same overwhelming grief that I do.

"The majority of those who died today were children, beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old.

"They had their entire lives ahead of them, birthdays, graduations, weddings, kids of their own.

Obama sighed.

"Among the fallen were also teachers - men and women who devoted their lives to helping our children fulfill their dreams. Our hearts are broken today for the parents and grandparents, sisters and brothers of these children and the families of the adults we lost.

"Our hearts are broken for the parents of the survivors as well, for as blessed as they are to have their children home tonight, they know that their children’s innocence has been torn away from them too early, and there are no words that will ease their pain.

"As a country, we have been through this too many times. Whether it’s an elementary school in Newtown, or a shopping mall in Oregon, or a temple in Wisconsin, or a movie theater in Aurora, or a street corner in Chicago - these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods, and these children are our children. And we're going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics.

"This evening Michelle and I will do what every parent in America will do - hug our children a little tighter and tell them that we love them.

"There are families in Connecticut that cannot do that tonight and they need all of us tonight.

"May God bless the memory of the victims and in the words of scripture heal the brokenhearted and bind up their wounds."

[Updated at 3:14 p.m. ET] The president will talk soon. You can watch him on our live stream here.

[Updated at 3:12 p.m. ET] President Obama has ordered flags to be lowered to half-staff as a mark of respect for the victims “of the senseless acts of violence perpetrated on December 14, 2012, in Newtown, Connecticut,” according to a release from the White House.

[Updated at 3:09 p.m. ET] The suspect's mother was shot and killed at the school, according to source close to the investigation. She was a teacher there.

And we now know that Ryan Lanza, the suspected gunman, was 24.

(6:44 p.m. ET update - (Three U.S. law enforcement officials say the suspected gunman was Adam Lanza, not his brother Ryan Lanza as officials had previously said. It is not clear what caused the confusion among investigators. Ryan Lanza was picked up from a home in Hoboken, New Jersey, on Friday and has been questioned but has not been labeled as a suspect, officials now say. Also, CNN’s Susan Candiotti is talking to investigators and has now learned that the mother of the suspected shooter was found dead in the suspect’s home in Newtown)

[Updated at 3:01 p.m. ET] The principal and guidance counselor at Sandy Hook Elementary School were both killed during the shooting, according to a witness that spoke to CNN.

[Updated at 2:52 p.m. ET] We have just learned via a tweet from House Speaker John Boehner that flags at the U.S. Capitol will be lowered.


[Updated at 2:47 p.m. ET] President Obama will make a statement on the tragedy at 3:15 p.m. ET. We'll have that live on CNN TV and right here.

[Updated at 2:45 p.m. ET] Various locations are being used as staging areas around Newtown. This is outside the Newtown Methodist Church near the school where a woman is hugging a child.

[Updated at 2:39 p.m. ET] Federal law enforcement officials have told CNN's John King that the shooting happened quickly and happened in a concentrated area.

[Updated at 2:32 p.m. ET] Connecticut Gov. Malloy will be in Newtown and talk about the tragedy today at 3:30 p.m. ET.

[Updated at 2:20 p.m. ET] We are now hearing from CNN's Mary Snow, who is reporting from outside the suspect's home, that dozens of law enforcement officials are on the scene.

Neighbors are "shaken," Snow said.

[Updated at 2:11 p.m. ET] CNN's Susan Candiotti has just reported that a law enforcement official tells her the suspect is named Ryan Lanza and he is in his 20s.

[Updated at 2:09 p.m. ET] We're hearing even more devastating news out of Newtown, Connecticut. CNN's Susan Candiotti has been told that 18 to 20 of the dead are children.

[Updated at 2:07 p.m. ET] CNN's Jessica Yellin is reporting that we're likely to hear from President Obama today on the school shooting, according to a senior administration official. We don't know when our where we may hear from President Obama.

[Updated at 2:04 p.m. ET] Lisa Procaccini, the parent of an 8-year-old at the school, tells CNN that her daughter said school officials kept her calm during the shooting and told her the loud noise was hammering going on.

Eventually police came in and let her daughter and her teacher leave the school building.

"I'm even kind of numb about what's going on," she told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "I'm in a state of shock. I don't know how Im going to handle having [my daughter] know ... about the whole situation."

[Updated at 1:57 p.m. ET]  The death toll is closer to 30 than 20, a federal law enforcement source in Washington told CNN's John King.  Most of those killed are children, the source said.

The source also said the suspected gunman, who is dead, had a connection to the school. He would not elaborate on that connection. The source is in touch with authorities on the scene.

[Updated at 1:53 p.m. ET] Congresswoman-elect Elizabeth Esty, who was recently won a seat representing a district that includes Newtown, Connecticut, just released the following statement on the tragedy:

As a mother, I can only begin to imagine what the students, parents, teachers and staff of Sandy Hook Elementary must be experiencing. My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone impacted by this horrific tragedy. While details are still emerging, I hope for the safety and well being of the children, teachers and staff at Sandy Hook Elementary and for the Newtown community.

[Updated at 1:51 p.m. ET] We have just learned that the suspected shooter is 20-years-old, a law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation tells CNN’s Susan Candiotti.

[Updated at 1:47 p.m. ET] A few more details from the White House press briefing earlier. White House spokesman Jay Carney said while today is not the day to debate gun policy, an assault weapons ban "does remain a commitment" of President Obama.

[Updated at 1:45 p.m. ET]  We are now learning that a male is being questioned by investigators, but he is not being called a suspect, CNN's Susan Candiotti reports.

[Updated at 1:42 p.m. ET] Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance said the shooter is dead inside the school.


Vance said there are a number of fatalities that includes both children and adults. He did not add more details about how many people were killed during the school shooting.

[Updated at 1:41 p.m. ET] Police have now begun their briefing on the shooting.

[Updated at 1:32 p.m. ET] We're hearing more from the scene of the massacre through tweets and interviews.



[Updated at 1:23 p.m. ET] President Obama has spoken to FBI Director Robert Mueller and Connecticut Gov. Dan Malloy to get the latest information and express his condolences, White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

[Updated at 1:21 p.m. ET] We're now hearing that it may be a while for the briefing from the police.

[Updated at 1:17 p.m. ET] This was the scene from the air earlier, taken by News 12 Connecticut, with emergency vehicles in the school parking lot.

[Updated at 1:09 p.m. ET] The police are set to give a news conference soon where we'll learn more. We'll bring that to you as soon as it starts.

[Updated at 1:07 p.m. ET] Here's the chilling account told to CNN's Meredith Artley of what happened at the school.

[Updated at 12:59 p.m. ET] Many people are talking again about gun control. But White House spokesman Jay Carney isn't joining in for now.

"I think it's important on a day like today to view this as I know the president, as a father does and I as a father and others who are parents certainly do, which is to feel enormous sympathy for families that are affected and to do everything we can to support state and local law enforcement and support those who are enduring what appears to be a very tragic event.  There is, I'm sure, will be, rather, a day for discussion of the usual Washington policy debates but I don't think today is that day.

[Updated at 12:57 p.m. ET] From the News Times reporter at the school:


[Updated at 12:48 p.m. ET] "Close to 20” people have been killed, including at least 10 children, a law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation says.

[Updated at 12:47 p.m. ET] President Barack Obama has been informed of the school shooting in Connecticut and will receive regular updates throughout the day, the White House said on Friday.

[Updated at 12:27 p.m. ET] The mom who spoke to CNN's Meredith Artley said she heard "at least 100 rounds" being fired.

The shooting began about 9:35 a.m., the parent said. There was a "pop pop pop" in the hall outside the room. Three people went out of the room into the hall where the sounds had come from. "Only one person came back," we were told.

The witness told Artley that she then called 911. She said she never saw the shooter but she later was escorted outside the room past two bodies lying in blood.

[Updated at 12:20 p.m. ET] A third-grader describes the shooting to WTNH:

[Updated at 12:16 p.m. ET] Two adults were killed, according to a parent who was at the school during the incident, and who talked to our colleague Meredith Artley.

[Updated at 12:12 p.m. ET] We just got this from U.S. Senator-elect Chris Murphy:

"I am shocked and saddened by the horrific news from Sandy Hook Elementary School this morning, and I pray that kids, teachers, staff, and families reach safety as quickly as possible. While we don't have much information right now, our thoughts are with the victims and their loved ones."

[Updated at 12:05 p.m. ET] The shooter's body is in a classroom, a source with knowledge of the investigation tells CNN’s Susan Candiotti.

[Updated at 12:02 p.m. ET] Multiple local media are reporting there are fatalities. We're checking.

[Updated at noon ET] News Times reporter Libor Jany reports that all Newtown schools are on lockdown.


[Updated at 11:58 a.m. ET] Danbury Hospital confirms it's treating some victims. It says this on its Facebook page:

To date, three patients have been transported to Danbury Hospital from the scene. Out of abundance of caution and not because of any direct threat Danbury Hospital is under lockdown. This allows us simply to focus on the important work at hand.

[Updated at 11:54 a.m. ET] Connecticut House Rep. John Frey has nieces and a nephew at the school and is tweeting updates.


[Updated at 11:47 a.m. ET] The dad of a student at the school told CNN affiliate WTNH there were about 600 pupils in the building at the time of the shooting.

[Updated at 11:45 a.m. ET] At least three people were wounded and are in "very serious" condition at a hospital in Danbury, Connecticut, that town's mayor, Mark Boughton told CNN. He couldn't say whether the victims were children.

[Updated at 11:44 a.m. ET] Andrew Doba, Director of Communications with Connecticut Governor Malloy's office, says they are  coordinating with local authorities and state police. They continue to monitor developments in Newtown. The governor is in Connecticut today.

[Updated at 11:40 a.m. ET] We're getting live pictures from the scene from CNN affiliates.

[Updated at 11:34 a.m. ET] The shooter is dead, a source with knowledge of the investigation, tells CNN’s Susan Candiotti.

Police have recovered two weapons from him, the source added.

It's not known whether police killed the alleged shooter or he took his own life. The source says one weapon recovered is a Glock and the other is a Sig Sauer.

[Updated at 11:27 a.m. ET] The Hartford Courant, citing police, said an unspecified number of people had been shot. The nature of their injuries was unclear, the newspaper said. But it cited police in saying one person had "numerous gunshot wounds."

[Updated at 11:19 a.m. ET] Affiliate WTNH says children are being taken to a nearby firehouse.


[Updated at 11:10 a.m. ET] Details are still really sketchy, but we now have a photo from the Newtown Bee of children being led from the scene.

[Updated at 11:03 a.m. ET] We're still getting details in of how many people may have been hurt.

Newtown is southwest of Hartford:

[Updated at 10:53 a.m. ET] Sandy Hook school is on lockdown and students are not being evacuated, a Newtown police spokesman tells us.

[Posted at 10:30 a.m. ET] Breaking news coming in - Connecticut State Police are responding to reports of a shooting at a Newtown elementary school in southwestern Connecticut, according to police spokesman Lt. Paul Vance.

We'll bring you more details as soon as we get them.

Our affiliates in the area are saying the school is the Sandy Hook Elementary School.

CT Now says injuries are being reported. 

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  1. elgatonyc

    Just ONCE I want to see the head of the NRA go to the scene of a school shooting and admit they believe incidents like this is the price to pay just so that he and any lunatic can pack heat.

    December 14, 2012 at 11:48 am | Report abuse |
    • ccw holder

      schools are "no-gun zones"

      December 14, 2012 at 12:02 pm | Report abuse |
  2. I Am God

    I see a lot of idiotic people on these blogs. One are the ones shouting ban guns. There is no need to ban guns. Then there are the idiots that shout that Liberals are trying to ban guns. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STRICTER GUN LAWS AND BANNING GUNS YOU MORONS. And as a Liberal I support gun laws, but there does need to be some stricter laws.

    December 14, 2012 at 11:48 am | Report abuse |
  3. Hoot Gibson

    This is a terrible shooting incident. What does Obama have to do with it, Butt Wipe. The Election is OVER, Rommney LOST, GET OVER IT! Get a life and move on.

    December 14, 2012 at 11:48 am | Report abuse |
  4. martin

    Yeah, like you've ever been in a union.

    December 14, 2012 at 11:49 am | Report abuse |
  5. Sonny

    I do not understand why the government lets its country sale guns just collect a little exra tax?

    December 14, 2012 at 11:49 am | Report abuse |
  6. petercha

    We need to bring the Bible and prayer back into the public schools. Perhaps if the shooter had been given a strong moral compass from day 1, this would not have happened.

    December 14, 2012 at 11:49 am | Report abuse |
    • ccw holder

      yes lets force religion on people and see what happens. we could be the next afghanistan! yay!!!

      December 14, 2012 at 12:12 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Charlie

    The difference being, the primary function of cars is not to kill people.

    December 14, 2012 at 11:49 am | Report abuse |
  8. Jason

    Guns aren't the problem.

    It's a society of losers and deadbeats created by the government. When more than half the citizens are government assistance, there is a problem. This will only get worse.

    Stock up on guns and ammo now. When the time comes, you will be glad you did.

    December 14, 2012 at 11:49 am | Report abuse |
    • petercha

      Good point, Jason.

      December 14, 2012 at 11:52 am | Report abuse |
  9. rastaman44

    What a jerk!!!

    December 14, 2012 at 11:49 am | Report abuse |
  10. Tim

    If the children had guns, they could have shot him before the police arrived.

    December 14, 2012 at 11:49 am | Report abuse |
    • ccw holder

      you would think the school being a "no-gun zone" would have stopped him.

      December 14, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
  11. scieng1

    This is awful. It is also predictable. Like Colorado and other places, the "gun free zones" attracked the mentally sick. In Britain and other countries, crime rates skyrocketed after guns were outlawed. The problem isn't guns, it is people. Safety isn't denial (like "gun free zones"), it is a responsbility and practice of protecting the defenseless. It is time we spent effort to protect our children, not ignor their safety with words and signs only.

    December 14, 2012 at 11:49 am | Report abuse |
    • petercha

      Excellent point, scieng1. I completely agree. Instilling a strong moral compass in children from Day 1 should be required.

      December 14, 2012 at 11:54 am | Report abuse |
    • JW

      Scieng1, Exactly.

      December 14, 2012 at 11:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Gary Bonner

      Lying LOUDLY and often does not aid your warped cause. Crime rates in England did NOT skyrocket after they banned fire arms. That's a complete lie. England has one of the lowest violent crime rates in the world and almost no gun violence. They have no school shootings, no theater shootings and no workplace massacres. If you are a gun rights advocate, then make your case – but do it without telling bald-face lies. It sully's the argument and hurts your cause.

      December 14, 2012 at 11:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Tom


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    • amievid

      you are so right, and the next post says "outlaw guns, I think it is already illegal to shoot someone" yes that is true, take care of the problem with the PEOPLE that are wanting to shoot someone. People have gone crazy and there needs to be an answer. Why are people wanting to do this?? I am so sad for the children and the moms and dads in this city. Poor babies they don't need to be knowing about stuff like this at their age.

      December 14, 2012 at 11:57 am | Report abuse |
    • Brian

      Quit politicizing this tragedy with your own agenda. This is terrible. These young children are going to be scarred for life.

      December 14, 2012 at 11:58 am | Report abuse |
    • Tom

      I agree with you on human beings are the source of the issue and responsibility is needed, but I disagree on you on some of the following points.

      1.By Gun gun violence and death is extremely lower in countries with strict gun control like Britain; so the real problem is us Americans.

      2. Guns should be used as a last resort and I believe people need to step up in prevention method such as the words and signs you mention.

      3. I am probably jumping the gun on this, but please don't be one of those folks that encourage everyone and their granny should be packing heat in a Safe Zone. Sure these area are victims of psychopaths, but the jurisdiction seem to fall on law and security enforcement. These safe zone are suppose to be places where you shouldn't fear for your life. Along with human being random creatures having a firearm requires intelligence and cautious to prevent stray shots, abuse, confusion in judgement, and minimize collateral damage.

      December 14, 2012 at 11:59 am | Report abuse |
    • amievid

      This is to Gary, Don't know if the crime skyrocketed or not, but I am a Self Defense Advocate. I want the right to protect myself, I don't intend to go out and shoot anyone. I know so many people that have hunting rifles, handguns, and they don't want to hurt anyone. They need to get to the root of what causes these people to do this.

      December 14, 2012 at 12:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Roger

      Your claims are untrue. Crime rates are always higher in countries without strict gun control. Please see the data provided by the World Health Organization or the United Nations. For example, in Somalia, where every male over the age of 14 has a gun, crime is rampant. In South Korea where guns are illegal, crime is very low and they've never, ever had a school shooting.

      Where do you want your kid attending school? In Somalia or South Korea?

      December 14, 2012 at 12:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • ccw holder

      @roger. somalia has super strict gun control

      only people with a permit are allowed to own firearms, fully automatics are illegal.
      those laws sure do work. you should do some reasearch before you post.
      its under the Gun Regulations tab

      December 14, 2012 at 12:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tom


      Did you look at the information you linked? US has a much higher rate of gun violence than Somalia

      December 14, 2012 at 12:47 pm | Report abuse |
  12. monocle88

    What? That is some stretch.

    December 14, 2012 at 11:49 am | Report abuse |
  13. RealPerson

    BAN GUNS? Make Guns Illegal??? Wow I think it is already Illegal to SHOOT someone. If the Criminal did not obey the first law, he is NOT going to turn in his gun because you make a law banning guns...

    December 14, 2012 at 11:50 am | Report abuse |
    • Steve

      There are way to many seriously mentally ill people out there today....such a sad day..

      December 14, 2012 at 12:06 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Tom

    Why can't we have a moderate gun control in America?! I recognize the need for people to defend themselves, but with events like this expect the same polarized gun debate over and over again. Anyone wanna bet the NRA or some pro-gun rights group wanna encourage the teachers to pack heat? Guns will stay since the issues will always be human, but a sensible thing in my opinion would be to focus on prevention such as who is trusted to own a gun and maintain it along with other areas such as human services to mold human conditions so the ill use and damages by fire arms is minimize.

    December 14, 2012 at 11:50 am | Report abuse |
    • t-bone

      the weapons used here were standard handguns.
      not assault rifles.
      To remove these would be the same as banning all handguns period.

      December 14, 2012 at 11:52 am | Report abuse |
    • I Am God

      Exactly. There is nothing wrong with stricter gun laws.

      December 14, 2012 at 11:53 am | Report abuse |
    • The Captain

      I think the problem is much deeper and honestly a lot harder then some people want to believe. You are NOT going to change anything by making stricter gun laws. If they want to kill people..they will do it. You take away their guns..they can just make bombs out of everyday household items. The fact remains..and this is very dark to say..but you can't really ever stop this kind of thing. This is NOTHING new. Back in the 20's there was the Bath School Bombing that killed 45 kids. That's Columbine 3 times worse..but no one ever talks about that. Or how about Leopold and Loeb..two guys who murdered a 14 year old boy in 1924. What is happening is NOT new and its not something that can just be "Fixed" by making some laws. Sorry!

      December 14, 2012 at 11:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Cami

      I am a elementary teacher, a mother of 5 young children & I legally have my concealed weapons permit. Your damn right I would be, as you called it, "packing heat" to school if I was able!!! If I ever come into the position of having to defend my students, my children, my coworkers & myself during a school shooting. I'd like have every tool neccessary at my disposal, & that is exactly what a firearm is....a tool!

      December 14, 2012 at 12:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rbnlegend101

      Propose some moderate gun control and we can talk about it. You are facing the problem that the gun control lobby was entirely intent on banning guns. Every control they proposed was part of that goal, and they didn't understand the subject they were trying to legislate. Because of that history, you face an uphill battle. Every bit of language you might reasonably use, has been adopted by people who are not interested in any moderation.

      we currently ban people under the age of 21 years from owning a gun, or ammunition. We prohibit anyone convicted of a felony from owning or posessing a gun or ammunition, also anyone convicted of certain misdemeanor crimes. We bar anyone involuntarily commited to mental health care, or those found by the courts to be a danger to themself or others, from owning a firearm or ammunition. We require a background check to purchase a firearm, and we have a national database that can perform that check in a timely manner. How's that for some reasonable controls? No? If you own a firearm, and display it in a threatening manner, you will be prohibited from owning firearms. If you discharge your firearms in most cities and towns, you will be prohibited from owning a firearm. If you carry your firearm in a manner not allowed by your state law, you may be proibited from owning a firearm, depending on which state you live in. For example, in my state, I can carry a pistol in a concealed manner, because I have the right permit. If I go into a pizza restaurant, and that restaurant serves beer, I must move my concealed firearm to an open carry position. Failing to do so is a misdemeanor, and a firearm related misdemeanor will mean I would be prohibited from owning a firearm. Even if I am unaware that the restaurant serves alchohol, I must comply with this requirement. In my state, I am prohibited from transporting a firearm in my glovebox, in the neighboring state, I am prohibited from carrying it in the back of my SUV and must put it in the glovebox. If I do not move the weapon properly as I cross the state line, there's a firearm related crime I could be convicted of, resulting in me losing the legal right to own a firearm.

      We have plenty of moderate controls on gun ownership. However, if a person uses a firearm to commit a crime, those gun related charges are the first thing on the bargining table for a plea bargain. We don't use those laws on the people comitting the serious crimes, only on the people who own guns and don't commit a serious crime. The NRA has been pushing for increased enforcement of those laws against those involved in serious crimes for more than two decades, while the gun control lobby is more interested in finding a new excuse to ban some new category of guns that they can drum up fear over.

      December 14, 2012 at 12:04 pm | Report abuse |
  15. keo

    How old was the shooter? just makes me wonder since he shot up an elementary school.

    December 14, 2012 at 11:50 am | Report abuse |
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