December 14th, 2012
11:18 PM ET

Children and adults gunned down in Connecticut school massacre

  • 20 children, six adults and the shooter are dead after shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, on Friday morning
  • Three law enforcement officials say Adam Lanza, 20, was the shooter, and that he died apparently by his own hand
  • Suspect's mother, Nancy Lanza, found dead in suspect’s home in Newtown, law enforcement source says
  • Ryan Lanza, 24, older brother of Adam Lanza, questioned by police but not labeled a suspect, three law enforcement officials say
  • Below are the latest updates as they come to us. You also can read our story of the Connecticut school shooting

[Updated at 11:18 p.m. ET] Aimee Seaver, the mother of a first-grade girl at Sandy Hook and a fifth-grader who attends a different school, told CNN's Anderson Cooper that her children are having trouble dealing with what happened.

"It's a very rough night here," she said. "When your first-grader goes to bed and says, 'Mommy, is anyone from my class last year - are they all OK?' and you look at them and say, 'I'm not really sure,' it's a rough night to tell that to your 7-year-old."

Her younger daughter has asked a lot of questions about Principal Dawn Lafferty Hochsprung, who was killed.

“She got wind very quickly that something was wrong with our principal, which we didn’t tell her till just now that yes, she was definitely hurt and it wasn’t good," Seaver said. "It’s taking her a while. I think tomorrow will probably be harder for her.

“I also have a fifth-grader who came off the bus crying because she … had a sister who she was worried about, and … just basically left that school a few months ago. I think for a lot of those kids, they kind of are a little older and can get it a little bit faster, even though they weren’t in it.

“So the questions, I think, are coming. They’re not here, yet, especially for the littler ones. It started as I put them to bed tonight, the questions.”

[Updated at 10:50 p.m. ET] Janet Vollmer, a kindergarten teacher at the school, says she locked her classroom doors and - to keep her students calm - read them a story until the police came.

Vollmer, her 19 students and the adult helpers in her classroom were not injured.

"You could hear what sounded like pops, gunshots. Of course, I’m not going to tell that to 5-year-olds, so I said to them, ‘We’re going over in a safe area,'" Vollmer told CNN's Anderson Cooper. "And we read a story and we kept them calm, did a lockdown drill, closed the doors, locked (them), covered the windows, and kept the children with us.”

She said the children knew something unusual was going on.

“It didn’t seem a natural thing (to the children), although we do practice drills," Vollmer said. "We said, ‘We’re not really sure, but we’re going to be safe, because we’re sitting over here and we’re all together.’”

When asked how she kept cool, she said: “With 5-year-olds, you can’t lose it. I’ve been doing this for a long time, it’s my 18th year of teaching. My job was to keep them safe."

"After we got down to the firehouse, later on, as a lot of the events started to unfold throughout the day  I think some of (the children) realized the magnitude of what was going on.," she said. "They saw other people upset. We just held them close until their parents came and we released them.”

[Updated at 8:58 p.m. ET] Denise Correia says her daughter, a Sandy Hook Elementary second-grader who was not injured, heard the gunshots from the classroom she was in. The girl, while talking about the shooting with Correia, has been mentioning slain principal Dawn Lafferty Hochsprung "quite a lot."

"I think everyone's coping as best as they possibly can," Correia told CNN's Anderson Cooper. "I'm letting her talk. She's mentioned quite a bit about the principal, who many of us have worked with. I adored her. I worked with her personally with my business. That is one person I know we have lost on a personal level."

Correia said she has heard that her daughter's teacher, when the gunfire started, grabbed two kids from the hallway, put them into her classroom with other students, locked the door and gathered the students to a side of the room away from the gunfire. "She did a very heroic thing," Correia said of the teacher.

"The kids are going to suffer from this," Correia said. "... We lost a lot of babies today in this town, and there are a lot of very sad families."

[Updated at 8:20 p.m. ET] One injured victim, a female employee of the school, is "doing well," Connecticut State Police Lt. J. Paul Vance said.

[Updated at 7:53 p.m. ET] The public release of the victims' names may come on Saturday morning, Connecticut State Police Lt. J. Paul Vance says.

Vance said investigators have made preliminary identifications of the bodies, and that they've notified the appropriate families. But investigators want to make final, positive identifications before releasing the names to the media.

"It's a horrific scene," Vance said. "Between our mutual experience, we've never seen anything like this."

Vance said the next briefing from state police would be at 8 a.m. ET Saturday.

[Updated at 7:48 p.m. ET] U.S. Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Connecticut, says her thoughts and prayers are with the families.

"This really hits close to home," said DeLauro, who said she is visiting her grandchildren in Washington, D.C. "These beautiful young angels who had so much to live for - and it seems so senseless. Unthinkable that this could happen ,but it has, and now, as the president said, we come together, we wrap our arms around these families and hold them close to our hearts."

[Updated at 7:10 p.m. ET] Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, offered his prayers for the families of those affected by the Connecticut shooting, according to a release from the group.

The shooting "wrenches the hearts of all people," he said.

"Once again we speak against the culture of violence infecting our country even as we prepare to welcome the Prince of Peace at Christmas," Dolan said. "All of us are called to work for peace in our homes, our streets and our world, now more than ever.”

Faisal Ali, right, of Colorado Springs, Colorado, joins other people outside the White House in Washington, D.C., to participate in a vigil to remember the Connecticut school shooting on Friday.

[Updated at 6:51 p.m. ET] A law enforcement official familiar with the investigation says the three guns found at the shooting site were legally purchased by Nancy Lanza, the mother of the suspect in the shooting.

According to the law enforcement official, the Glock and Sig Sauer handguns were found inside the school with the deceased gunman. The Bushmaster was found in a car outside the school. The official did not know if the car was registered to the gunman, to his mother or to someone else.

The official echoed what other law enforcement officials have told CNN: That Adam Lanza was the suspected gunman, and that he died at the scene of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot.

[Updated at 6:44 p.m. ET] Three U.S. law enforcement officials, from different agencies, separately tonight identified the suspected shooter as Adam Lanza, contrary to what investigators had said previously. It is not clear what caused the confusion among investigators.

His older brother, Ryan, was taken into custody for general questioning from a home in Hoboken, New Jersey. Officials did not label Ryan Lanza as a suspect. It is unclear when he may be released.

One of the officials say Adam’s father was also taken in for similar questioning. There is no indication that the father will be charged. The official noted the father has remarried and lives with his new wife in a residence in the general area of Connecticut not too far from where his ex-wife lived.

[Updated at 6:43 p.m. ET] CNN’s Susan Candiotti is talking to investigators at the scene as they piece together exactly what happened and when. She says she’s learned that the mother of the suspected shooter, Nancy Lanza, was found dead in the suspect’s home in Newtown.

“Earlier we had information that she was found in the classroom. However, now I’m being told that in fact her body was found at the suspect's residence," Candiotti said. "We don't know whether she also lived there. We also don't know the timeline - when was she killed? Was she killed before the shooting began at the school? These are the things that authorities are still trying to piece together.”

[Updated at 6:02 p.m. ET] "Evil visited this community today," Connecticut Gov. Dan Malloy just told reporters in Newtown. "And it's too early to speak of recovery, but each parent, each sibling, each member of the family has to understand that Connecticut - we're all in this together.

"We'll do whatever we can to overcome this event. We will get through it. But this is a terrible time for this community and these families."

[Updated at 5:14 p.m. ET] The mother of the suspected shooter was found dead in her son's residence in Newtown, a law enforcement source with detailed knowledge of the investigation told CNN. CNN had previously identified the mother as Nancy Lanza, a teacher at the Sandy Hook Elementary, according to law enforcement sources.

The source also told CNN there was no body found in the house searched by authorities in Hoboken, New Jersey. Two law enforcement sources say a man was taken away from questioning from that house. He is believed to be the brother of the shooter, according to the sources.

The first law enforcement source says the school shooter was dressed in "black battle fatigues and a military vest."

The Bushmaster .223 found at the scene is a semi automatic weapon, the source says. Two other weapons found were handguns, a Sig-Sauer and a Glock.

[Updated at 5:10 p.m. ET] We just learned that Governor Dannel P. Malloy will be speaking at Treadwell Park in Newtown, Connecticut, at 6:00 p.m. ET.

[Updated at 5:04  p.m. ET] We've just received a statement from U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan about the shooting:

"School shootings are always incomprehensible and horrific tragedies. But words fail to describe today's heartbreaking and savage attack at Sandy Hook Elementary School. As the father of two children in elementary school, I can barely imagine the anguish and losses suffered today by the Newtown community.

"Our hearts and prayers go out to every parent, child, teacher, staff member, and administrator at Sandy Hook and the surrounding community. And our thanks go out to every teacher, staff member, and first responder who cared for, comforted, and protected children from harm, often at risk to themselves. We will do everything in our power to assist and support the healing and recovery of Newtown."

[Updated at 5:01  p.m. ET] Law enforcement officials are not prepared to identify the shooter right now, Connecticut State PoliceLt. J. Paul Vance said in a press conference.

Vance said that they are working diligently at the crime scene as well as with the medical examiner to identify the victims.

"We will leave no stone unturned," Vance added about the entire investigation.

[Updated at 4:54 p.m. ET] We are now being told there was no body found in the Hoboken, New Jersey, home as had been previously reported.

[Updated at 4:23 p.m. ET] We have learned that Connecticut police have searched the suspected gunman's home and place of employment in the wake of Friday's mass shooting, Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance told CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

They have also interviewed his friends, relatives and "everyone who possibly had any connection with him whatsoever," he said.

[Updated at 4:11 p.m. ET] Police did not discharge their weapons at any time when responding at the school, police spokesman Lt. Paul Vance told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. However, he could not confirm whether the suspected shooter - who died at the scene - killed himself, saying that would have to be determined by the medical examiner.

[Updated at 4:07 p.m. ET] Mark Kelly, who's lived through this kind of horror, has issued a statement. He's the husband of former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords who was shot in the head at a massacre in Tucson, Arizona, in January 2011. Here's what he said:

I just woke up in my hotel room in Beijing, China, to learn that another mass shooting has taken place - this time at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. My thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims and the entire community of Newtown, CT. I just spoke to Gabby, and she sends her prayers from Tucson.

As we mourn, we must sound a call for our leaders to stand up and do what is right. This time our response must consist of more than regret, sorrow, and condolence. The children of Sandy Hook Elementary School and all victims of gun violence deserve leaders who have the courage to participate in a meaningful discussion about our gun laws - and how they can be reformed and better enforced to prevent gun violence and death in America. This can no longer wait.

[Updated at 3:56 p.m. ET] The principal killed was Dawn Hochsprung. We received this photo via

[Updated at 3:54 p.m. ET] Three guns were found at the scene, CNN's Susan Candiotti reports. According to a law enforcement source, the third weapon found on the scene was a .223 Bushmaster. The other weapons, previously reported, are a Glock, and a Sig-Sauer. No word on the models of Glock or Sig-Sauer.

[Updated at 3:51 p.m. ET] A federal law enforcement source tells CNN's John King the information from the scene is that the shooter arrived and headed directly toward and to his mother’s classroom. That and the other information now emerging - another family member killed, police interviews - lead them to believe his mother was the primary target. But they note he also came armed with clear intention of mass killing.

[Updated at 3:45 p.m. ET] There were a total of 27 people dead at the school, Lt. Paul Vance of the Connecticut State Police said.

Six adults, 20 children and the shooter were killed. Eighteen students were pronounced dead at the scene, and two others died at the hospital, said Lt. Paul Vance of the Connecticut State Police. The six adults died at the scene.

[Updated at 3:43 p.m. ET] Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance has just said that the shooting took place in one section of the school and in two rooms.

[Updated at 3:33 p.m. ET] Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy called the mass shooting "a tragedy of unspeakable terms."

"Earlier today a tragedy of unspeakable terms played itself out in this community," Malloy said, adding that "you can never be prepared for this kind of incident.

"A number of our citizens, beautiful children, had their life taken away from them as well as adults whose responsibility it was to educate and supervise those children," Malloy said.

[Updated at 3:22 p.m. ET] It appears that another member of the alleged shooter's family is dead. A senior law enforcement official familiar with the investigation says a brother of the alleged shooter was found dead in a home searched in Hoboken, New Jersey. We already knew the suspect's mother was found dead in the elementary school.

(6:43 p.m. ET update - CNN’s Susan Candiotti is talking to investigators and has now learned that the mother of the suspected shooter was found dead in the suspect’s home in Newtown. No brother of the suspect has been found dead, and no one has been found dead in the home in Hoboken, New Jersey, investigators say.)

[Updated at 3:16 p.m. ET] From the president: "I offered Gov. Malloy my condolences on behalf of the nation."

The president appears to be emotional, he's wiping his eye.

Here's more of what he's saying:

"We've endured too many of these tragedies in the past few years. Each time I learn the news I react not as a president but as anybody else would as a parent.

"That was especially true today.

"I know there's not a parent in America that doesn't feel the same overwhelming grief that I do.

"The majority of those who died today were children, beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old.

"They had their entire lives ahead of them, birthdays, graduations, weddings, kids of their own.

Obama sighed.

"Among the fallen were also teachers - men and women who devoted their lives to helping our children fulfill their dreams. Our hearts are broken today for the parents and grandparents, sisters and brothers of these children and the families of the adults we lost.

"Our hearts are broken for the parents of the survivors as well, for as blessed as they are to have their children home tonight, they know that their children’s innocence has been torn away from them too early, and there are no words that will ease their pain.

"As a country, we have been through this too many times. Whether it’s an elementary school in Newtown, or a shopping mall in Oregon, or a temple in Wisconsin, or a movie theater in Aurora, or a street corner in Chicago - these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods, and these children are our children. And we're going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics.

"This evening Michelle and I will do what every parent in America will do - hug our children a little tighter and tell them that we love them.

"There are families in Connecticut that cannot do that tonight and they need all of us tonight.

"May God bless the memory of the victims and in the words of scripture heal the brokenhearted and bind up their wounds."

[Updated at 3:14 p.m. ET] The president will talk soon. You can watch him on our live stream here.

[Updated at 3:12 p.m. ET] President Obama has ordered flags to be lowered to half-staff as a mark of respect for the victims “of the senseless acts of violence perpetrated on December 14, 2012, in Newtown, Connecticut,” according to a release from the White House.

[Updated at 3:09 p.m. ET] The suspect's mother was shot and killed at the school, according to source close to the investigation. She was a teacher there.

And we now know that Ryan Lanza, the suspected gunman, was 24.

(6:44 p.m. ET update - (Three U.S. law enforcement officials say the suspected gunman was Adam Lanza, not his brother Ryan Lanza as officials had previously said. It is not clear what caused the confusion among investigators. Ryan Lanza was picked up from a home in Hoboken, New Jersey, on Friday and has been questioned but has not been labeled as a suspect, officials now say. Also, CNN’s Susan Candiotti is talking to investigators and has now learned that the mother of the suspected shooter was found dead in the suspect’s home in Newtown)

[Updated at 3:01 p.m. ET] The principal and guidance counselor at Sandy Hook Elementary School were both killed during the shooting, according to a witness that spoke to CNN.

[Updated at 2:52 p.m. ET] We have just learned via a tweet from House Speaker John Boehner that flags at the U.S. Capitol will be lowered.


[Updated at 2:47 p.m. ET] President Obama will make a statement on the tragedy at 3:15 p.m. ET. We'll have that live on CNN TV and right here.

[Updated at 2:45 p.m. ET] Various locations are being used as staging areas around Newtown. This is outside the Newtown Methodist Church near the school where a woman is hugging a child.

[Updated at 2:39 p.m. ET] Federal law enforcement officials have told CNN's John King that the shooting happened quickly and happened in a concentrated area.

[Updated at 2:32 p.m. ET] Connecticut Gov. Malloy will be in Newtown and talk about the tragedy today at 3:30 p.m. ET.

[Updated at 2:20 p.m. ET] We are now hearing from CNN's Mary Snow, who is reporting from outside the suspect's home, that dozens of law enforcement officials are on the scene.

Neighbors are "shaken," Snow said.

[Updated at 2:11 p.m. ET] CNN's Susan Candiotti has just reported that a law enforcement official tells her the suspect is named Ryan Lanza and he is in his 20s.

[Updated at 2:09 p.m. ET] We're hearing even more devastating news out of Newtown, Connecticut. CNN's Susan Candiotti has been told that 18 to 20 of the dead are children.

[Updated at 2:07 p.m. ET] CNN's Jessica Yellin is reporting that we're likely to hear from President Obama today on the school shooting, according to a senior administration official. We don't know when our where we may hear from President Obama.

[Updated at 2:04 p.m. ET] Lisa Procaccini, the parent of an 8-year-old at the school, tells CNN that her daughter said school officials kept her calm during the shooting and told her the loud noise was hammering going on.

Eventually police came in and let her daughter and her teacher leave the school building.

"I'm even kind of numb about what's going on," she told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "I'm in a state of shock. I don't know how Im going to handle having [my daughter] know ... about the whole situation."

[Updated at 1:57 p.m. ET]  The death toll is closer to 30 than 20, a federal law enforcement source in Washington told CNN's John King.  Most of those killed are children, the source said.

The source also said the suspected gunman, who is dead, had a connection to the school. He would not elaborate on that connection. The source is in touch with authorities on the scene.

[Updated at 1:53 p.m. ET] Congresswoman-elect Elizabeth Esty, who was recently won a seat representing a district that includes Newtown, Connecticut, just released the following statement on the tragedy:

As a mother, I can only begin to imagine what the students, parents, teachers and staff of Sandy Hook Elementary must be experiencing. My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone impacted by this horrific tragedy. While details are still emerging, I hope for the safety and well being of the children, teachers and staff at Sandy Hook Elementary and for the Newtown community.

[Updated at 1:51 p.m. ET] We have just learned that the suspected shooter is 20-years-old, a law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation tells CNN’s Susan Candiotti.

[Updated at 1:47 p.m. ET] A few more details from the White House press briefing earlier. White House spokesman Jay Carney said while today is not the day to debate gun policy, an assault weapons ban "does remain a commitment" of President Obama.

[Updated at 1:45 p.m. ET]  We are now learning that a male is being questioned by investigators, but he is not being called a suspect, CNN's Susan Candiotti reports.

[Updated at 1:42 p.m. ET] Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance said the shooter is dead inside the school.


Vance said there are a number of fatalities that includes both children and adults. He did not add more details about how many people were killed during the school shooting.

[Updated at 1:41 p.m. ET] Police have now begun their briefing on the shooting.

[Updated at 1:32 p.m. ET] We're hearing more from the scene of the massacre through tweets and interviews.



[Updated at 1:23 p.m. ET] President Obama has spoken to FBI Director Robert Mueller and Connecticut Gov. Dan Malloy to get the latest information and express his condolences, White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

[Updated at 1:21 p.m. ET] We're now hearing that it may be a while for the briefing from the police.

[Updated at 1:17 p.m. ET] This was the scene from the air earlier, taken by News 12 Connecticut, with emergency vehicles in the school parking lot.

[Updated at 1:09 p.m. ET] The police are set to give a news conference soon where we'll learn more. We'll bring that to you as soon as it starts.

[Updated at 1:07 p.m. ET] Here's the chilling account told to CNN's Meredith Artley of what happened at the school.

[Updated at 12:59 p.m. ET] Many people are talking again about gun control. But White House spokesman Jay Carney isn't joining in for now.

"I think it's important on a day like today to view this as I know the president, as a father does and I as a father and others who are parents certainly do, which is to feel enormous sympathy for families that are affected and to do everything we can to support state and local law enforcement and support those who are enduring what appears to be a very tragic event.  There is, I'm sure, will be, rather, a day for discussion of the usual Washington policy debates but I don't think today is that day.

[Updated at 12:57 p.m. ET] From the News Times reporter at the school:


[Updated at 12:48 p.m. ET] "Close to 20” people have been killed, including at least 10 children, a law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation says.

[Updated at 12:47 p.m. ET] President Barack Obama has been informed of the school shooting in Connecticut and will receive regular updates throughout the day, the White House said on Friday.

[Updated at 12:27 p.m. ET] The mom who spoke to CNN's Meredith Artley said she heard "at least 100 rounds" being fired.

The shooting began about 9:35 a.m., the parent said. There was a "pop pop pop" in the hall outside the room. Three people went out of the room into the hall where the sounds had come from. "Only one person came back," we were told.

The witness told Artley that she then called 911. She said she never saw the shooter but she later was escorted outside the room past two bodies lying in blood.

[Updated at 12:20 p.m. ET] A third-grader describes the shooting to WTNH:

[Updated at 12:16 p.m. ET] Two adults were killed, according to a parent who was at the school during the incident, and who talked to our colleague Meredith Artley.

[Updated at 12:12 p.m. ET] We just got this from U.S. Senator-elect Chris Murphy:

"I am shocked and saddened by the horrific news from Sandy Hook Elementary School this morning, and I pray that kids, teachers, staff, and families reach safety as quickly as possible. While we don't have much information right now, our thoughts are with the victims and their loved ones."

[Updated at 12:05 p.m. ET] The shooter's body is in a classroom, a source with knowledge of the investigation tells CNN’s Susan Candiotti.

[Updated at 12:02 p.m. ET] Multiple local media are reporting there are fatalities. We're checking.

[Updated at noon ET] News Times reporter Libor Jany reports that all Newtown schools are on lockdown.


[Updated at 11:58 a.m. ET] Danbury Hospital confirms it's treating some victims. It says this on its Facebook page:

To date, three patients have been transported to Danbury Hospital from the scene. Out of abundance of caution and not because of any direct threat Danbury Hospital is under lockdown. This allows us simply to focus on the important work at hand.

[Updated at 11:54 a.m. ET] Connecticut House Rep. John Frey has nieces and a nephew at the school and is tweeting updates.


[Updated at 11:47 a.m. ET] The dad of a student at the school told CNN affiliate WTNH there were about 600 pupils in the building at the time of the shooting.

[Updated at 11:45 a.m. ET] At least three people were wounded and are in "very serious" condition at a hospital in Danbury, Connecticut, that town's mayor, Mark Boughton told CNN. He couldn't say whether the victims were children.

[Updated at 11:44 a.m. ET] Andrew Doba, Director of Communications with Connecticut Governor Malloy's office, says they are  coordinating with local authorities and state police. They continue to monitor developments in Newtown. The governor is in Connecticut today.

[Updated at 11:40 a.m. ET] We're getting live pictures from the scene from CNN affiliates.

[Updated at 11:34 a.m. ET] The shooter is dead, a source with knowledge of the investigation, tells CNN’s Susan Candiotti.

Police have recovered two weapons from him, the source added.

It's not known whether police killed the alleged shooter or he took his own life. The source says one weapon recovered is a Glock and the other is a Sig Sauer.

[Updated at 11:27 a.m. ET] The Hartford Courant, citing police, said an unspecified number of people had been shot. The nature of their injuries was unclear, the newspaper said. But it cited police in saying one person had "numerous gunshot wounds."

[Updated at 11:19 a.m. ET] Affiliate WTNH says children are being taken to a nearby firehouse.


[Updated at 11:10 a.m. ET] Details are still really sketchy, but we now have a photo from the Newtown Bee of children being led from the scene.

[Updated at 11:03 a.m. ET] We're still getting details in of how many people may have been hurt.

Newtown is southwest of Hartford:

[Updated at 10:53 a.m. ET] Sandy Hook school is on lockdown and students are not being evacuated, a Newtown police spokesman tells us.

[Posted at 10:30 a.m. ET] Breaking news coming in - Connecticut State Police are responding to reports of a shooting at a Newtown elementary school in southwestern Connecticut, according to police spokesman Lt. Paul Vance.

We'll bring you more details as soon as we get them.

Our affiliates in the area are saying the school is the Sandy Hook Elementary School.

CT Now says injuries are being reported. 

soundoff (9,611 Responses)
  1. harvey conn

    @Porktornado, you say...... ." Did you know you can kill people with a knife? A baseball bat? Your fist? A brick? A hammer?"

    So, how many mass death scenes have been reported by knives, baseball bats, fists, bricks and hammers. ?? Think now... When was the last reported Mass baseball bat killing....

    You said:
    "People like you are the reason we have ZERO personally accountability in this country anymore. It can't be the criminal's fault they killed people... it must be the gun."

    No, it's probably people more like you who think society has more to fear from people with knives, baseball, bats, fists, bricks and hammers. We don't need less hammers in society, we need less guns. Sure he could have killed 20 people with a hammer. Tell me again the last time that happened, and I'll tell you yesterday it happened in Oregon with a gun.

    December 14, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Ryan

    So a knife-wielding person in China attacked 22 school children and 1 adult. However, the glaring difference is that in Connecticut, over 20 people are reported dead. In China, over 20 people are reported injured. They're both senseless acts of violence by crazy people on innocent victims, but the one involving guns resulted in a much higher death toll. The chance of surviving a random, untrained crazy person with a knife is much higher that surviving a random, untrained crazy person with a gun.

    December 14, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Patrick

    So, what would the death toll be with a knife versus a gun?

    December 14, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Joe

    Safe Canada

    December 14, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • gager

      Canada has the same problem. Gun control does nothing. Canada is NOT safe.

      December 14, 2012 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
  5. vidkid

    Hang this guys dead body from a tree and let the birds pick it clean, then toss the bones in the sewer.

    December 14, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
  6. But...

    Hmm, how can we take the blame off guns, and put it on Obama, the NRA said.

    December 14, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Hans

    My prayers go to the victims and they families.

    Horrible situations like this will continue to happen and innocent will be lost lives every year because we allow everybody to buy guns.

    December 14, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
  8. MolliBee

    Gun control is not the answer – they'll still be obtainable for those that search them out. Without guns, those people that use violence again others will find another method. Bombs can be made from innocent materials, but can kill or maim many. Are you going to regulate steak knives or anything sharp? I don't know the answer, but I feel it needs to start at the core with parents controling the violence their children are exposed to, and just being involved in their lives instead of plunking them down in front of a screen to play video games or watch TV. Yes, this was a crime by an adult, but what influences surround him to make killing acceptable? Gun control isn't going to stop it and I don't think there is any solution that won't take years to accomplish.

    December 14, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
  9. N&W 1000


    Call the police.

    Then pray while you wait.

    December 14, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Report abuse |
  10. Broncosfan

    I have a gun, but I do not drink the fear-mongering Koolaid of the NRA. It is hard to defend that this person could have killed or inured as many people, had he had anything other than a gun, unless it was an M203 or RPG? Or let me guess, if all the teachers could been allowed to open-carry, this would have never happened, right? The Gov. will never take away our guns, get over it, it is not going to happen, no matter how much the NRA wants you to believe it, because if you did not, there would be no reason for them to exist. I do think it is time to make it harder for people to own firearms, by making them have a license, that you have to renew just like a drivers license, registering guns, just as you do cars,waiting periods and background checks. if you cannot meet these requirements, then you cannot own a gun, period. I don't care what the NRA says, this does not violate your 2nd Amendment rights, this is accountability, which should have been done a long time ago. The US Gov. will never take away our guns so stop being paranoid. Prayer and well wishes to al families involved.

    December 14, 2012 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Matt Etherton

    There is no need for assault rifles and machine guns in America. This is a sad debate going on; obviously guns don't shoot themselves, but, we simply have no need for military grade weapons available to anyone who wants them. If someone wants a gun to kill unarmed animals, or to protect themselves, that's fine (except from the animals point of view!)...but to justify keeping 100 round semi-automatic guns is inane.

    December 14, 2012 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • OMG

      More guns please

      December 14, 2012 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Hans

      Completely agree. This is out of control. The NRA and gun fans have blood on their hands.

      December 14, 2012 at 1:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • gager

      Gun restriction has nothing or will add nothing to stop what happened.. Save your rant for when it is relevant.. Now is the time to grieve.

      December 14, 2012 at 1:22 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kris

      These were not military grade guns being used... these were handguns.

      December 14, 2012 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Luke

      This is the saddest news anyone could ever get. That being said, how are you going to ban "Military" semi auto weapons when most handguns are semi auto, many shotguns are semi auto?? Makes no sense. This guy could have done the same amount of damage with any gun. Please stop preaching about taking away our 2nd. The real question is where was security? should security be allowed to carry a handgun? should there be medal detectors at ALL public schools? Those are the real questions we should be asking after this, not taking away "semi-auto" guns.

      December 14, 2012 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • clint

      Whats the difference in buying ten – ten round mags and having them loaded and ready to go?

      December 14, 2012 at 1:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • MKT

      You didn't read all of this did you? The shooter had two handgun's a glock and a sig. Those aren't 100 round semi-auto rifles.

      December 14, 2012 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • Azrael

      Except that assault rifles & machine guns have been heavily regulated since the late 1920s, no select fire or fully automatic firearms of new manufacture may be sold or imported into the United States since 1986. You may purchase these weapons IF they were made prior to 1986, and you pay an extra $200 for a tax stamp, and you get the signoff of your local Certified Law Enforcement Officer (typically the Sheriff or Police Chief depending on where you live). This is on top of the fact that one of these firearms will cost you $10K+ base cost. I have seen MP5 select fire submachine guns for over $20K before. THESE CRIMES ARE NOT BEING COMMITTED BY ASSAULT RIFLES & MACHINE GUNS!! Please stop throwing these terms around when you clearly do not know what they mean.

      December 14, 2012 at 1:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • lol

      I'm a gun owner and have been a hunter since I was 12 and I agree that assault rifles shouldn't be available to anyone who wants them. They simply serve no purpose for a civilian other than fulfilling the fantasy of some soldier of fortune wacko, or those who think they need to protect themselves from an invading army...or the end of the world but guess what? When the world does go down the crapper, all the guns in the world won't save you. It'll just make you a bigger target for those who want yours. We spend trillions in defense and yet people still need an AR 47 to look cool at the range or impress their teabag liberal hating buddies? That said, just because 100 rounds were used doesn't mean this shooter necessarily had one. I didn't read the part where it said he did. Could have been a standard automatic handgun with a few clips, which I have no problem with anyone owning.

      December 14, 2012 at 1:41 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Sick to my stomach

    What the hell is this world coming to? I am sickened to think of all those innocent children who lost their lives...for what reason? Because a crazy person with a gun decided they hated themselves and the world?! I wish people like this would just stay in their own homes and blow their brains out....why kill innocent children? So very sad.......

    December 14, 2012 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

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  13. FactCheck

    Twenty children dead and you gunnuts are here defending the 2nd amendment. You must be so proud of yourself.

    Now excuse the rest of us who are human beings with sould, while we weep and pray for the lives lost.

    December 14, 2012 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Vinnie

      Yes, because if we outlaw guns, all the criminals will suddenly see the light and turn theirs over, as well. Making guns illegal just takes the guns out of the hands of the legal owners, not those who will break the law anyway. Your simplistic world view is great, and the fact that you use this incident as a soap box tells of your frame of mind.

      December 14, 2012 at 1:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Josh

      With guns being illegal, gives the police the opportunity to arrest someone, BEFORE, they open fire.

      The guy walking down a street, on his way to an elementary school, with a couple of M16's, and a AK47, could be arrested by the police long before he reaches the school.

      December 14, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • PushingBack

      Amen to that!

      December 14, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      How do you know the offender was a law abiding citizen that obtained the firearm legally?

      December 14, 2012 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • corey

      Are you kidding me? My dad is from Switzerland. They have the highest gun ownership in world. Almost everyone over the age of 18 owns a gun that is mentally able to do so. Everyone is trained properly how to handle a gun as well. They have more attempted or actual killings via knifes compared to guns. They have some of the lowest fatalities involving guns per 250k. How's that for fact checking?

      December 14, 2012 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bobby

      So just because we're gun owners doesn't mean we're not humans? That we don't weep for lost lives? My friend was killed by a drunk driver, so I don't think people who advocate for the right to drive are human beings either. Great logic idiot.

      December 14, 2012 at 1:25 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sickened

      When will these schools put more security in place? I'm deeply saddened by the events today and are praying for all involved.

      December 14, 2012 at 1:26 pm | Report abuse |
  14. LJ

    I agree, the US needs some serious gun control. Sure bats, knifes, etc. can kill people but you cannot take out that many people in the matter of a few minutes unless you have a gun. You do not see frequent public shootings like this in Canada. Combine a very evil person, which seems to be what the world is turning into and hand them a gun and this is what you get. The next maniac will want to out do this one so it seems to just keep getting worse. As a mother myself, I am almost in tears watching this, especially just before Christmas. My prayers go out to all the families here, and to all the little angels who lost their lives.

    December 14, 2012 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • SOMFOM

      90,000,000 gun owners killed NO ONE today.

      December 14, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • jonadoms

      HAHA not every person that owns a gun is going to go kill could have killed just as many with a bat..

      December 14, 2012 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jill

      "22 Children and elderly woman stabbed outside Primary school in China"

      Yeah, I think a knife CAN do that much damage...

      December 14, 2012 at 1:26 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Anthony

    Lets make a new law. if you are taken alive and you have commited a horrific act such as this, i see no greater form of justice then to leave that person tied down to a chair in a room, with 100 mothers in that room as well. what happens in that room stays in that room, and if by some chance he survives send in 100 fathers next.

    December 14, 2012 at 1:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tom

      I'm a father. Amen

      December 14, 2012 at 1:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      I agree completely with you. People like this should have no sympathy from anyone. I believe that if you commit a crime like this you should be put agains a wall and have a bullet fired at you for every bullet that the criminal fired

      December 14, 2012 at 1:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sandy

      I love this idea of a new law. BRILLIANT! (and I mean that)....because the GUN didn't kill the kids, the man who pulled the trigger did. My heart breaks for these families!!!!!!!!!!

      December 14, 2012 at 1:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Name*laker lou

      How bout torture his a$$ until he's about to die....then resuscitate him and do it all over again for the rest of his life

      December 14, 2012 at 1:30 pm | Report abuse |
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