December 16th, 2012
10:27 PM ET

'These tragedies must end, and to end them we must change'

  • President heads list of dignitaries and local clergy members offering comfort to the people of Newtown, Connecticut
  • 20 children, six adults and the shooter are dead after shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School on Friday morning
  • Police: Nancy Lanza, mother of gunman, died from multiple gunshot wounds
  • Gunman Adam Lanza had assault rifle magazines that held 30 bullets each, police said
  • Victims' names released Saturday; all of the slain children were either 6 or 7 years old
  • Complete coverage: Connecticut school shooting
  • Soledad O'Brien will be live from Newtown, Connecticut, with advice and insight from Deepak Chopra and from people who have been through other shootings. Watch Starting Point, live at 6 a.m. ET Monday.

[Update 10:27 p.m. ET] Christina Hassinger, 30, the daughter of slain Sandy Hook Elementary Principal Dawn Hochsprung, sent out this tweet after meeting with President Obama before the prayer vigil.


[Updated 9:39 p.m.] A long silence followed the conclusion of President Obama's remarks before the audience began to applaud. The president walked off the stage to return to the floor, but a woman stopped him, turned him around and sent him back up the stairs to the stage. He stopped and waved briefly to the still-applauding crowd before exiting backstage.

The Rev. Bob Weiss, pastor of Newtown's St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church, then offered a prayer for the community's resilience in the times to come.

The Rev. Rob Morris, vicar of King Lutheran Church, gave a benediction before asking the audience to remain in the auditorium, comforting one another, at least until word came that the president had safely exited the school campus.

Read the full text of Obama's speech here.

[Updated at 9:13 p.m. ET] The president recalled a saying that having children is "like walking around with your heart outside your body" before pausing a moment to wipe a tear from his left eye.

"This job of keeping our children safe and teaching them well is something we can only do together," he told the hushed audience. "This is our first task: taking care of our children. It's our first job. If we don't get that right, we don't get anything right."

He then asked whether "we as a nation" are meeting that obligation.

"The answer is no, and we will have to change," he said.

Obama said this was the fourth mass shooting during his presidency, and there were countless other acts of gun violence on a smaller scale.

"We can't tolerate this anymore," he said. "These tragedies must end, and to end them we must change."

[Updated at 9:02 p.m. ET] Saying "we can't accept events like this as routine," President Barack Obama said Sunday he'll use whatever power he has to prevent more tragedies like what happened Friday in Newtown, Connecticut. "Surely we can do better than this," the president said.

[Updated at 8:52 p.m. ET] President Barack Obama is speaking to the crowd, which is remaining almost completely silent.

"We gather here in memory of 20 beautiful children and six remarkable adults," he said. "... I come to offer the love and prayers of a nation."

He assured the people of Newtown that the entire nation felt the loss.

"Our world too has been torn apart. All across this land of ours we have wept with you. We have pulled our children tight. ... Newtown, you are not alone."

[Updated at 8:37 p.m. ET] Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy spoke briefly, saying "We will get better," before introducing President Barack Obama.

[Updated at 8:30 p.m. ET] Newtown First Selectwoman Patricia Llodra said Friday's mass murder was "a defining moment," but it would not itself define Newtown. "We are defined by acts of courage, by love and by our continuing love for our children and families," she said.

[Updated at 8:25 p.m. ET] John Woodall, leader of the local Baha'i community, described "a burning grief" that accompanies the loss of a child, a loss that is "beyond the depth of human endurance." However, he said the sacred scripture of the Baha'i faith offers this admonishment: "Be thou not disconsolate. Do not languish. Do not sigh and weep. For agitatation and mourning affect the soul - the divine soul in the eternal realm."

Leo McIlrath, ecumenical chaplain of the Lutheran Home of Southbury, Connecticut, offered a prayer for the counselors, clergy and caregivers who are trying to comfort the bereaved.

[Updated at 8:16 p.m. ET] A young boy named Jason Graves sang a Muslim chant before Muadh Bhavnagarwala with Newtown's  Al Hedaya Islamic Center offered a one-minute homily. "Verily, with every difficulty there is ease," Bhavnagarwala said, quoting from the Quran in a quavering voice.

Jane Sibley, minister of visitation and spiritual growth, Newtown United Methodist Church, offered a prayer for first responders.

[Updated at 7:58 p.m. ET] Rabbi Shaul Praver, rabbi of Congregation Adathi in Newtown, sang the traditional Hebrew memorial prayer. The Rev. Mel Kawakami, senior minister of Newtown United Methodist Church, stood by his side, wearing a white surplice embroidered with colorful butterflies.

"There is no death, just transformation. May they rest in peace," Praver said.

Kawakami offered a prayer for the dead and the grieving, "for we are all a family as children of God," he said. "We embrace the grieving as our own. Bring us together in peace and amity."

[Updated at 7:49 p.m. ET] President Obama has entered the auditorium to brief, polite applause and quickly taken a seat on the main floor. The Rev. Matt Crebbin, senior minister of the Newtown Congregational Church, is opening the prayer vigil with welcoming remarks.

[Updated at 7:30 p.m. ET] Attendees at the prayer vigil rose to give first responders - paramedics, police officers, firefighters and others - a long standing ovation when they entered the auditorium.

[Updated at 7:07 p.m. ET] The start of the interfaith prayer vigil is delayed as President Obama continues to meet with first responders and families of victims behind closed doors. Sources at Newtown High School say 900 people are in the auditorium for the service, with 1,300 others in the gymnasium overflow.

[Updated at 6:15 p.m. ET] Connecticut's retiring U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman, Sen. Richard Blumenthal, and Sen.-elect Christopher Murphy are circulating through the Newtown High School Auditorium and speaking with townsfolk assembling there for this evening's prayer vigil.

[Updated at 5:47 p.m. ET] President Barack Obama is meeting with the families of victims and with first responders before this evening's prayer vigil at Newtown High School.

[Updated at 4:03 p.m. ET] President Barack Obama has just landed in Connecticut where he will meet with family members and first responders.  Obama will then attend an interfaith vigil in Newtown, Connecticut.

[Updated at 3:47 p.m. ET] Adam Lanza was identified for the first time by Connecticut State Police as the gunman in Friday's shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Lt. J. Paul Vance said that Lanza died as a result of suicide using a handgun. Vance added that Lanza's mother, Nancy Lanza, died as a result of "multiple gunshot wounds" in her home.

Vance also told reporters that Adam Lanza used the Bushmaster AR-15 "assault-type weapon" most of the time at the school.

Lanza was armed with magazines that held 30 bullets each, according to Vance. He added that there were hundreds of bullets for the other weapons as well.

Vance told reporters that an additional weapon, a shotgun, was recovered from a vehicle Lanza parked outside of the school. The gunman also had a Glock 10mm and a Sig Sauer 9mm, multiple magazines and additional ammunition.

[Updated at 2:43 p.m. ET] Six-year-old Jessica Rekos was hoping to get cowgirl boots and a cowgirl hat for Christmas. Now her family is left mourning the loss of her young life.

Jessica's family sent us in a photo and statement that they wanted us to share with the world about her:

"Jessica loved everything about horses. She devoted her free time to watching horse movies, reading horse books, drawing horses, and writing stories about horses. We had promised her she could have her very own horse when she turned 10. She asked Santa for new cowgirl boots and a cowgirl hat. She was a creative, beautiful little girl who loved playing with her little brothers, Travis and Shane. She spent time writing in her journals, making up stories, and doing "research" on orca whales – one of her passions after seeing the movie Free Willy last year. She said her dream was to see a real orca. Thankfully her dream was realized in October when she went to SeaWorld.

Jessica was our first born. She started our family, and she was our rock. She had an answer for everything, she didn't miss a trick, and she outsmarted us every time. We called her our little CEO for the way she carefully thought out and planned everything. We can not imagine our life without her. We are mourning her loss, sharing our beautiful memories we have of her, and trying to help her brother Travis understand why he can't play with his best friend. We are devastated, and our hearts are with the other families who are grieving as we are."

You can read more about the rest of the victims in our interactive here, which will be updated as we get more photos and statements from family members.

[Updated at 2:13 p.m. ET] Lee Shull doesn’t want to feel helpless anymore.

That's why as a parent of a child at Sandy Hook Elementary school he gathered other Newtown, Connecticut, residents together on Sunday for a meeting to try to figure out what happened and how they can ensure it doesn't happen again.

The group was seeking to move forward a conversation about gun laws, mental health and the moral fabric of our country in the wake of another deadly shooting.

"We’re trying to get the word out to this country that we thought this was a safe community," Shull said. "This can happen anywhere. We need to start here and learn from this event."

Shull said his family is feeling the impact of the shooting personally. While he’s never met the gunman, his daughter was in a classroom where children were gunned down. Three other girls who shared a dance studio with his daughter are now dead.

[Updated at 1:31 p.m. ET] We've just learned that officials have given the "all-clear" at the St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church in Newtown, Connecticut. The church had been evacuated due to an unspecified threat.

[Updated at 1:27 p.m. ET]  Authorities evacuated a Catholic church in Newtown, Connecticut, Sunday. It was unclear why the St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church had been evacuated.

Witnesses said authorities told them to leave the church premises.  A column of armed police officers walked across the church property and entered a building next to the church's parking lot.

The church is less than two miles from Sandy Hook Elementary School.

[Updated at 1:03 p.m. ET] Lillian Bittman, a former chairwoman of the Newtown Board of Education, struggled to speak about the victims killed at Sandy Hook Elementary school.

She knew some of them directly, including Principal Dawn Lafferty Hochsprung, who she helped appoint.

“Everyone just feels violated,” she said of the town and the school she had been involved with for over 15 years. "It's unbelievable that this could happen to a little school that had so much joy in it."

Bittman said the school had done everything they thought they could to protect the children. And she hopes that out of tragedy, the country can find a way to move forward in a meaningful way.

"I need the country and the world to understand that out of this we have to bring good. This was an idyllic setting for children and now children, young children, have died," she told CNN's Don Lemon. "When Columbine happened, our school put in a buzzer system. But this keeps happening."

Bittman said that the families of those who were murdered are understandably "a mess" right now. She feels the same. The question now, she said, is whether we can put aside our differences as a country on mental health and gun control issues to make sure something as tragic as this doesn't happen again.

"We as a country have to use this to come together and look at all the solutions. What can the world do? Love each other and work together," she said. "Figure this out so no more six-year-olds die or have to watch their teacher die in their classroom."

[Updated at 12:12 p.m. ET] We are learning more details about the victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.

Here's what the family of Olivia Rose Engel, 6, wanted to share about her:

"Olivia Rose Engel was a precocious and completely endearing six-year old. She loved school, and was very good at math and reading. She was creative, loved craft projects and art class, and loved participating in as many sports and activities as her mom Shannon could get her to- from tennis to swimming, ballet to soccer, Daisy Girl Scouts to musical theater, and her church’s CCD program, nothing was off limits for little girl who’s favorite colors were pink and purple. Olivia was always keen to take a spin on the lake and Sound on her dad or grandpa’s Whaler. She was a patient big sister to three-year old Brayden, lead Grace each evening at the dinner table, and was a six-year old with a lot to look forward to."

To learn more about the victims, please look at our interactive, which will be updated as we get more information.

[Updated at 12:12 p.m. ET] U.S. Sen. Richard Blumenthal said he has been touched by the "strength and resilience' of the community of Newtown in the wake of the school shooting.

"I don’t think I will ever forget the cries of grief and pain that I saw at that firehouse," Blumenthal, a Democrat representing Connecticut said, referring to the area where families gathered to learn if their loved ones were alive or dead.

[Updated at 12:02 p.m. ET] Authorities still have many witnesses, including children, that they will interview in the investigation of a Connecticut elementary school shooting, Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance told reporters Sunday.

"Our people are talking with everybody slowly but surely, but methodically, too," he said. "This is something where people's hearts are broken, as we all well know. And we have to be sensitive."

[Updated at 11:54 a.m. ET] Authorities investigating the Connecticut elementary school shooting are analyzing evidence they've collected, including firearms, Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance told reporters Sunday.

"We are tracing them historically to all the way back on the workbench when they were being assembled," he said.

[Updated at 11:50 a.m. ET] Inaccurate information about the Connecticut elementary school shooting is spreading on social media, and authorities could prosecute those responsible, Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance told reporters Sunday.

Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance addresses reporters on Sunday morning.

"Misinformation is being posted on social media sites," he said. "There has been misinformation from people posing as the shooter in this case, posing using other IDs. Mimicking this crime and crime scene and criminal activity that took place in this community. There's been some things in somewhat of a threatening manner. ... These issues are crimes. They will be investigated. ... Prosecution will take place when people who are perpetrating this information are identified."

[Updated at 11:47 a.m. ET] Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California said Sunday the president will soon have legislation "to lead on" in the gun control debate, announcing she will introduce a bill next month in the Senate to place a ban on assault weapons.

"We'll be prepared to go, and I hope the nation will really help," Feinstein said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

The senator said she'll introduce the bill when Congress reconvenes in January and the same legislation will also be proposed in the House of Representatives.

"We're crafting this one. It's being done with care. It'll be ready on the first day," she said, adding that she'll soon announce the House authors.

"It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation, and the possession. Not retroactively, but prospectively. It will ban the same for big clips, drums or strips of more than 10 bullets," she said. "There will be a bill."

[Updated at 9:59 a.m. ET] The gunman used his weapon to force his way into the building, the state's governor told CNN Sunday.

"He penetrated the building by literally shooting an entrance into the building. That's what an assault weapon can do for you," Gov. Dan Malloy told CNN's Candy Crowley.

Gunman described as quiet, withdrawn

Malloy also said he was the one who broke the news to families that their loved ones had died at the school.

"It's a very difficult thing to do," he said. "The parents had been gathered for a number of hours, clinging to hope. ...And you can never be prepared for that, to tell 18-20 folks, or actually families, that their loved one would not be returning to them that day or in the future."

The Connecticut governor also discussed wanting tougher federal laws.

[Updated at 7:00 a.m. ET] Here's a quick look at the latest updates in the Connecticut elementary school shooting:

Relatives of the victims will meet with President Barack Obama on Sunday when the president visits.

All the victims died from gunshot wounds and were struck multiple times, said H. Wayne Carver II, Connecticut's chief medical examiner. Their deaths were classified as homicides.

All 20 of the slain children were either 6 or 7 years old.

Investigators have been combing "every crack and crevice" of the school and have found some "very good evidence" there and at suspect Adam Lanza's home, where his mother Nancy was killed.

The deadly shooting that shattered this quiet New England town also reignited the ongoing debate about gun laws in America.

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  1. Jim B

    Obama and Holder failed at gun control with Fast & Furious so they have kids evacuated to push for a gun ban.

    December 16, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
  2. yem

    Yes the shooter had mental health issues. And when he snapped, he had abundance of guns and ammunition at his own house.If he didn't have all that it wouldn't have been that easy to massacre all those innocent little children. I cry when I imagine how scared and frightened they were. Make strict laws to restrict guns. That is the message I got from this horrific tragedy.

    December 16, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Report abuse |
  3. Toolttime

    Should be a law guns should be kept in locked gun safe of some sort

    December 16, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Ackem

    Why would they be happy about this? If anything it paints them in a negative light.

    December 16, 2012 at 4:44 pm | Report abuse |
  5. gilbert

    What is needed is at least 2 heavily armed guards at every American school. I`m sure somebody will complain of the cost. What is more important? Money or innocent children and Teachers.No intruder should be allowed near any school.If they refuse to obey, drop them where they stand, I`m sure the parents of these innocent children would give their last penny, to get their child back. Money can be replaced, Children and Teachers cannot. It looks like the schools must be treated like Fort Knox, or area 51, try getting close to that property. You will not get near it. Our schools must operate they same way. Or this will continue, Just the salary of one school administrator, can hire 2 armed guards per school. The money can be found.I would gladly make a donation to hire HEAVILY ARMED GUARDS.

    December 16, 2012 at 4:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • BETH

      We have armed law enforcement officers in our schools in Calcasieu parish any time they are opened. I like it that way.

      December 16, 2012 at 4:51 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Darthlawsuit

    Alright you anti-gun supporters. You want to tell me why Chicago is one of our leading cities on gun violence when it banned guns; while Keenesaw Georgia has crime rates at 1/4th the national rate and they made guns manditory by law.

    Guns prevent gun violence because those maniacs no longer have an unfair advantage. In Switzerland this was proven when they had a mass murder in parlament where guns were illegal while the rest of the country hadn't had a mass murder in years.

    December 16, 2012 at 4:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • Stu

      The swiss are heavily armed. all must serve in the military and they take thier weapon home with them.

      December 16, 2012 at 4:52 pm | Report abuse |
  7. Oppositeofliberal

    Can you read? I said teachers, staff, or parents…..

    December 16, 2012 at 4:45 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Kevin

    People have the right to mourn and go crazy about other people's kids getting killed in CT even it doesn't involve the rest of the country that is going psycho but they are completely psychotic when I am trying to mind my own business and not care and they get overly emotional and angry with me just because I don't care and am just trying to peacefully mind my own business lol

    December 16, 2012 at 4:46 pm | Report abuse |
  9. John

    Something to note here, gun control people, is that the killer, killed himself when he was confronted by first responders. If one of the teachers had been armed and confronted him, he might have killed himself much sooner. Think about it.

    December 16, 2012 at 4:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • No more

      I am a teacher, and I would do anything to defend my students, that includes carrying a weapon and using it to defend there lives

      December 16, 2012 at 4:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • No more


      December 16, 2012 at 4:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Timetowakeup

      Come on, you can't really be this blind. If the insane, or sane, weren't allowed to have semi-automatic weapons, there would be nothing to stop. All of you illiterate, red neck fools need to give up on your "freedom" rants and put yourselves in the shoes of those who lost their children. If you are making up for deficiencies in other areas, go and by a muscle truck.

      December 16, 2012 at 4:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • ayo

      There is no official timeline as yet detailing when and how the shooter killed himself. Preliminary police report indicate that the shooting was over and the shooter was dead mins before police even arrived @ the scene, matter of fact, the police never fired their weapons! The shooter was determined to kill as many people as he could and he only stopped when he chose to! If he had a revolver rather than a semiautomatic, perhaps the brave principal and/or psychologist who tried to stop him might have succeeded and many more parents will still have their babies. Think about that.

      December 16, 2012 at 4:56 pm | Report abuse |
  10. No more crazy

    Dont ban guns, ban crazy people being allowed into society

    December 16, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • creative36

      How do you do that?

      December 16, 2012 at 4:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • yeahthatstheticketnot

      everyone is crazy to everyone else in some way or another – yeah – that's the ticket – ban everyone

      December 16, 2012 at 5:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • KenS

      Yes, and as a start define crazy to include "needing to own assault type weapons".

      December 16, 2012 at 5:03 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Darthlawsuit

    Alright you anti-gun supporters. You want to tell me why Chicago is one of our leading cities on gun violence when it banned guns; while Keenesaw Georgia has crime rates at 1/4th the national rate and they made guns manditory by law.

    Guns prevent gun violence because those maniacs no longer have an unfair advantage. In Switzerland this was proven when they had a mass murder in parlament where guns were illegal while the rest of the country hadn't had a mass murder in years. Guns prevent violence

    December 16, 2012 at 4:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Simon

      Agree 100 percent

      December 16, 2012 at 4:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • gregorypierce

      Guns don't "prevent" violence. That a false logical assertion, like saying that farting 5 times a day prevents cavities. A gun doesn't "DO" anything. It is a tool like anything else. One could equally say that a hammer or dog prevents violence if those things are used in preventing or deterring a crime. However as tools they don't do anything special. Even a dog won't just randomly attack and people unless it is trained to do so.

      People utilize these tools to commit and/or prevent violence. Guns are, however, an efficient tool for killing. Killing does stop violence that is underway, but it doesn't prevent it because unless you have it taped to your forehead, the attacker has no idea that you have one.

      December 16, 2012 at 5:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jeremy

      Well 99.9% of the guns in the US have killed NO ONE today.

      How many doctors or cars have killed today?

      Once you get the "top" killers under control THEN worry about guns.....

      December 16, 2012 at 5:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • krishnavss

      So, if guns prevent violence, why couldn't Adam's mom save her life with so many guns she kept?

      December 16, 2012 at 5:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Darthlawsuit

      Guns do prevent logic and it has been proven time and time again. The Swiss have proven it by having crime rates far below all its European neighbors and Kennesaw Georgia have proven it when they made guns manditory. When they made it manditory crome dropped 75% in the first year and continued downward 4 years after until it leveled out.

      Let me see some statistics saying that banning guns prevents violence because all science says the opposite is true and space magic says that banning guns prevents violence. Chicago also proved banning guns does nothing but hurt the law abiding citizens and helps criminals.

      December 16, 2012 at 5:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Darthlawsuit

      So tell me... How did the cold war turn out? Neither side was willing to assult the other because both sides were equal. So nothing bad happened and we lived to see another day. Now imagine if the US dis-armed in the middle of the cold war. We would be living in the world of fallout right now.

      December 16, 2012 at 5:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • beth

      I agree 100%. There is no violence in my neighborhood at all because as far as I know we all have various kinds of guns and everyone knows it. We look out for each other and each others children. Outsiders dont even attempt to try. Should that ever happen, my law enforcement husband and my pistol packing mama self arent afraid to do what ever is necessary to protect ourselves and others. I refuse to get rid of any gun we have because the law abiding citizens are the only ones that wouldnt have a gun and the laws dont seem to apply to criminals.Thats why prisons are revolving doors for those people.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:01 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Mitch in Brooklyn

    Isn't this when the NRA says that if 6-year olds were issued assault weapons there wouldn't have been a problem?

    December 16, 2012 at 4:48 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Darthlawsuit

    Tolltime- I could kill 50+ people an injure many more with a car. it happened before.

    December 16, 2012 at 4:49 pm | Report abuse |
  14. coyote06

    the news media needs to stop plastering these incidents all over to gige other idiots ideas.

    December 16, 2012 at 4:50 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Steve

    It is time to get soe regulation in place. It is time to stop fearing and get the rul of law to replace madness. It is time to give our children hope for a better tomorrow. Please enact strict gun control laws that would require all gun owners to have their mental health evaluated by professionals and stop those unfit from getting their hands on guns. There is no need for high capacity magazines. There is no need for war designed weapons in the hands of non military personnel. There is a urgent need to protect our freedom and safety. Please understand that this has nothing to do with responsible gun ownership but only with keeping those of us who are not capable of handling such great responsible away from guns. Please spread the word with your family and friends and contact your representatives and demand action, not words.

    December 16, 2012 at 4:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Simon

      I like the mental health check but sadly it would not have changed this mass murder because the shooter took the gun from his mom.

      December 16, 2012 at 4:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • BB

      8 people who were nonsmokers died today from lung cancer as a result of exposure to secondhand smoke.
      1,230 people died today prematurely from smoking or exposure to secondhand smoke, and another 8.6 million live with a serious illness caused by smoking.
      Do you feel as strongly about banning tobacco as you do about banning guns? Don't be a political puppet do some research on what is really killing us here in America.

      December 16, 2012 at 4:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • yeahthatstheticketnot

      sane people go insane – fact of life – get a clue

      December 16, 2012 at 5:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Vin

      None of what you said meshes with anything that happened. He murdered a law abiding gun owner, stole her weapons, and used those. She didn't own any weapons used by the military, or designed for use in war. She owned a weapon that looked like the kind the military uses, but has a vastly different firing mechanism. You have no knowledge about what you're talking about, so you're not fit to propose policy.

      December 16, 2012 at 5:08 pm | Report abuse |
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