December 16th, 2012
10:27 PM ET

'These tragedies must end, and to end them we must change'

  • President heads list of dignitaries and local clergy members offering comfort to the people of Newtown, Connecticut
  • 20 children, six adults and the shooter are dead after shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School on Friday morning
  • Police: Nancy Lanza, mother of gunman, died from multiple gunshot wounds
  • Gunman Adam Lanza had assault rifle magazines that held 30 bullets each, police said
  • Victims' names released Saturday; all of the slain children were either 6 or 7 years old
  • Complete coverage: Connecticut school shooting
  • Soledad O'Brien will be live from Newtown, Connecticut, with advice and insight from Deepak Chopra and from people who have been through other shootings. Watch Starting Point, live at 6 a.m. ET Monday.

[Update 10:27 p.m. ET] Christina Hassinger, 30, the daughter of slain Sandy Hook Elementary Principal Dawn Hochsprung, sent out this tweet after meeting with President Obama before the prayer vigil.


[Updated 9:39 p.m.] A long silence followed the conclusion of President Obama's remarks before the audience began to applaud. The president walked off the stage to return to the floor, but a woman stopped him, turned him around and sent him back up the stairs to the stage. He stopped and waved briefly to the still-applauding crowd before exiting backstage.

The Rev. Bob Weiss, pastor of Newtown's St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church, then offered a prayer for the community's resilience in the times to come.

The Rev. Rob Morris, vicar of King Lutheran Church, gave a benediction before asking the audience to remain in the auditorium, comforting one another, at least until word came that the president had safely exited the school campus.

Read the full text of Obama's speech here.

[Updated at 9:13 p.m. ET] The president recalled a saying that having children is "like walking around with your heart outside your body" before pausing a moment to wipe a tear from his left eye.

"This job of keeping our children safe and teaching them well is something we can only do together," he told the hushed audience. "This is our first task: taking care of our children. It's our first job. If we don't get that right, we don't get anything right."

He then asked whether "we as a nation" are meeting that obligation.

"The answer is no, and we will have to change," he said.

Obama said this was the fourth mass shooting during his presidency, and there were countless other acts of gun violence on a smaller scale.

"We can't tolerate this anymore," he said. "These tragedies must end, and to end them we must change."

[Updated at 9:02 p.m. ET] Saying "we can't accept events like this as routine," President Barack Obama said Sunday he'll use whatever power he has to prevent more tragedies like what happened Friday in Newtown, Connecticut. "Surely we can do better than this," the president said.

[Updated at 8:52 p.m. ET] President Barack Obama is speaking to the crowd, which is remaining almost completely silent.

"We gather here in memory of 20 beautiful children and six remarkable adults," he said. "... I come to offer the love and prayers of a nation."

He assured the people of Newtown that the entire nation felt the loss.

"Our world too has been torn apart. All across this land of ours we have wept with you. We have pulled our children tight. ... Newtown, you are not alone."

[Updated at 8:37 p.m. ET] Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy spoke briefly, saying "We will get better," before introducing President Barack Obama.

[Updated at 8:30 p.m. ET] Newtown First Selectwoman Patricia Llodra said Friday's mass murder was "a defining moment," but it would not itself define Newtown. "We are defined by acts of courage, by love and by our continuing love for our children and families," she said.

[Updated at 8:25 p.m. ET] John Woodall, leader of the local Baha'i community, described "a burning grief" that accompanies the loss of a child, a loss that is "beyond the depth of human endurance." However, he said the sacred scripture of the Baha'i faith offers this admonishment: "Be thou not disconsolate. Do not languish. Do not sigh and weep. For agitatation and mourning affect the soul - the divine soul in the eternal realm."

Leo McIlrath, ecumenical chaplain of the Lutheran Home of Southbury, Connecticut, offered a prayer for the counselors, clergy and caregivers who are trying to comfort the bereaved.

[Updated at 8:16 p.m. ET] A young boy named Jason Graves sang a Muslim chant before Muadh Bhavnagarwala with Newtown's  Al Hedaya Islamic Center offered a one-minute homily. "Verily, with every difficulty there is ease," Bhavnagarwala said, quoting from the Quran in a quavering voice.

Jane Sibley, minister of visitation and spiritual growth, Newtown United Methodist Church, offered a prayer for first responders.

[Updated at 7:58 p.m. ET] Rabbi Shaul Praver, rabbi of Congregation Adathi in Newtown, sang the traditional Hebrew memorial prayer. The Rev. Mel Kawakami, senior minister of Newtown United Methodist Church, stood by his side, wearing a white surplice embroidered with colorful butterflies.

"There is no death, just transformation. May they rest in peace," Praver said.

Kawakami offered a prayer for the dead and the grieving, "for we are all a family as children of God," he said. "We embrace the grieving as our own. Bring us together in peace and amity."

[Updated at 7:49 p.m. ET] President Obama has entered the auditorium to brief, polite applause and quickly taken a seat on the main floor. The Rev. Matt Crebbin, senior minister of the Newtown Congregational Church, is opening the prayer vigil with welcoming remarks.

[Updated at 7:30 p.m. ET] Attendees at the prayer vigil rose to give first responders - paramedics, police officers, firefighters and others - a long standing ovation when they entered the auditorium.

[Updated at 7:07 p.m. ET] The start of the interfaith prayer vigil is delayed as President Obama continues to meet with first responders and families of victims behind closed doors. Sources at Newtown High School say 900 people are in the auditorium for the service, with 1,300 others in the gymnasium overflow.

[Updated at 6:15 p.m. ET] Connecticut's retiring U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman, Sen. Richard Blumenthal, and Sen.-elect Christopher Murphy are circulating through the Newtown High School Auditorium and speaking with townsfolk assembling there for this evening's prayer vigil.

[Updated at 5:47 p.m. ET] President Barack Obama is meeting with the families of victims and with first responders before this evening's prayer vigil at Newtown High School.

[Updated at 4:03 p.m. ET] President Barack Obama has just landed in Connecticut where he will meet with family members and first responders.  Obama will then attend an interfaith vigil in Newtown, Connecticut.

[Updated at 3:47 p.m. ET] Adam Lanza was identified for the first time by Connecticut State Police as the gunman in Friday's shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Lt. J. Paul Vance said that Lanza died as a result of suicide using a handgun. Vance added that Lanza's mother, Nancy Lanza, died as a result of "multiple gunshot wounds" in her home.

Vance also told reporters that Adam Lanza used the Bushmaster AR-15 "assault-type weapon" most of the time at the school.

Lanza was armed with magazines that held 30 bullets each, according to Vance. He added that there were hundreds of bullets for the other weapons as well.

Vance told reporters that an additional weapon, a shotgun, was recovered from a vehicle Lanza parked outside of the school. The gunman also had a Glock 10mm and a Sig Sauer 9mm, multiple magazines and additional ammunition.

[Updated at 2:43 p.m. ET] Six-year-old Jessica Rekos was hoping to get cowgirl boots and a cowgirl hat for Christmas. Now her family is left mourning the loss of her young life.

Jessica's family sent us in a photo and statement that they wanted us to share with the world about her:

"Jessica loved everything about horses. She devoted her free time to watching horse movies, reading horse books, drawing horses, and writing stories about horses. We had promised her she could have her very own horse when she turned 10. She asked Santa for new cowgirl boots and a cowgirl hat. She was a creative, beautiful little girl who loved playing with her little brothers, Travis and Shane. She spent time writing in her journals, making up stories, and doing "research" on orca whales – one of her passions after seeing the movie Free Willy last year. She said her dream was to see a real orca. Thankfully her dream was realized in October when she went to SeaWorld.

Jessica was our first born. She started our family, and she was our rock. She had an answer for everything, she didn't miss a trick, and she outsmarted us every time. We called her our little CEO for the way she carefully thought out and planned everything. We can not imagine our life without her. We are mourning her loss, sharing our beautiful memories we have of her, and trying to help her brother Travis understand why he can't play with his best friend. We are devastated, and our hearts are with the other families who are grieving as we are."

You can read more about the rest of the victims in our interactive here, which will be updated as we get more photos and statements from family members.

[Updated at 2:13 p.m. ET] Lee Shull doesn’t want to feel helpless anymore.

That's why as a parent of a child at Sandy Hook Elementary school he gathered other Newtown, Connecticut, residents together on Sunday for a meeting to try to figure out what happened and how they can ensure it doesn't happen again.

The group was seeking to move forward a conversation about gun laws, mental health and the moral fabric of our country in the wake of another deadly shooting.

"We’re trying to get the word out to this country that we thought this was a safe community," Shull said. "This can happen anywhere. We need to start here and learn from this event."

Shull said his family is feeling the impact of the shooting personally. While he’s never met the gunman, his daughter was in a classroom where children were gunned down. Three other girls who shared a dance studio with his daughter are now dead.

[Updated at 1:31 p.m. ET] We've just learned that officials have given the "all-clear" at the St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church in Newtown, Connecticut. The church had been evacuated due to an unspecified threat.

[Updated at 1:27 p.m. ET]  Authorities evacuated a Catholic church in Newtown, Connecticut, Sunday. It was unclear why the St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church had been evacuated.

Witnesses said authorities told them to leave the church premises.  A column of armed police officers walked across the church property and entered a building next to the church's parking lot.

The church is less than two miles from Sandy Hook Elementary School.

[Updated at 1:03 p.m. ET] Lillian Bittman, a former chairwoman of the Newtown Board of Education, struggled to speak about the victims killed at Sandy Hook Elementary school.

She knew some of them directly, including Principal Dawn Lafferty Hochsprung, who she helped appoint.

“Everyone just feels violated,” she said of the town and the school she had been involved with for over 15 years. "It's unbelievable that this could happen to a little school that had so much joy in it."

Bittman said the school had done everything they thought they could to protect the children. And she hopes that out of tragedy, the country can find a way to move forward in a meaningful way.

"I need the country and the world to understand that out of this we have to bring good. This was an idyllic setting for children and now children, young children, have died," she told CNN's Don Lemon. "When Columbine happened, our school put in a buzzer system. But this keeps happening."

Bittman said that the families of those who were murdered are understandably "a mess" right now. She feels the same. The question now, she said, is whether we can put aside our differences as a country on mental health and gun control issues to make sure something as tragic as this doesn't happen again.

"We as a country have to use this to come together and look at all the solutions. What can the world do? Love each other and work together," she said. "Figure this out so no more six-year-olds die or have to watch their teacher die in their classroom."

[Updated at 12:12 p.m. ET] We are learning more details about the victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.

Here's what the family of Olivia Rose Engel, 6, wanted to share about her:

"Olivia Rose Engel was a precocious and completely endearing six-year old. She loved school, and was very good at math and reading. She was creative, loved craft projects and art class, and loved participating in as many sports and activities as her mom Shannon could get her to- from tennis to swimming, ballet to soccer, Daisy Girl Scouts to musical theater, and her church’s CCD program, nothing was off limits for little girl who’s favorite colors were pink and purple. Olivia was always keen to take a spin on the lake and Sound on her dad or grandpa’s Whaler. She was a patient big sister to three-year old Brayden, lead Grace each evening at the dinner table, and was a six-year old with a lot to look forward to."

To learn more about the victims, please look at our interactive, which will be updated as we get more information.

[Updated at 12:12 p.m. ET] U.S. Sen. Richard Blumenthal said he has been touched by the "strength and resilience' of the community of Newtown in the wake of the school shooting.

"I don’t think I will ever forget the cries of grief and pain that I saw at that firehouse," Blumenthal, a Democrat representing Connecticut said, referring to the area where families gathered to learn if their loved ones were alive or dead.

[Updated at 12:02 p.m. ET] Authorities still have many witnesses, including children, that they will interview in the investigation of a Connecticut elementary school shooting, Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance told reporters Sunday.

"Our people are talking with everybody slowly but surely, but methodically, too," he said. "This is something where people's hearts are broken, as we all well know. And we have to be sensitive."

[Updated at 11:54 a.m. ET] Authorities investigating the Connecticut elementary school shooting are analyzing evidence they've collected, including firearms, Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance told reporters Sunday.

"We are tracing them historically to all the way back on the workbench when they were being assembled," he said.

[Updated at 11:50 a.m. ET] Inaccurate information about the Connecticut elementary school shooting is spreading on social media, and authorities could prosecute those responsible, Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance told reporters Sunday.

Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance addresses reporters on Sunday morning.

"Misinformation is being posted on social media sites," he said. "There has been misinformation from people posing as the shooter in this case, posing using other IDs. Mimicking this crime and crime scene and criminal activity that took place in this community. There's been some things in somewhat of a threatening manner. ... These issues are crimes. They will be investigated. ... Prosecution will take place when people who are perpetrating this information are identified."

[Updated at 11:47 a.m. ET] Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California said Sunday the president will soon have legislation "to lead on" in the gun control debate, announcing she will introduce a bill next month in the Senate to place a ban on assault weapons.

"We'll be prepared to go, and I hope the nation will really help," Feinstein said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

The senator said she'll introduce the bill when Congress reconvenes in January and the same legislation will also be proposed in the House of Representatives.

"We're crafting this one. It's being done with care. It'll be ready on the first day," she said, adding that she'll soon announce the House authors.

"It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation, and the possession. Not retroactively, but prospectively. It will ban the same for big clips, drums or strips of more than 10 bullets," she said. "There will be a bill."

[Updated at 9:59 a.m. ET] The gunman used his weapon to force his way into the building, the state's governor told CNN Sunday.

"He penetrated the building by literally shooting an entrance into the building. That's what an assault weapon can do for you," Gov. Dan Malloy told CNN's Candy Crowley.

Gunman described as quiet, withdrawn

Malloy also said he was the one who broke the news to families that their loved ones had died at the school.

"It's a very difficult thing to do," he said. "The parents had been gathered for a number of hours, clinging to hope. ...And you can never be prepared for that, to tell 18-20 folks, or actually families, that their loved one would not be returning to them that day or in the future."

The Connecticut governor also discussed wanting tougher federal laws.

[Updated at 7:00 a.m. ET] Here's a quick look at the latest updates in the Connecticut elementary school shooting:

Relatives of the victims will meet with President Barack Obama on Sunday when the president visits.

All the victims died from gunshot wounds and were struck multiple times, said H. Wayne Carver II, Connecticut's chief medical examiner. Their deaths were classified as homicides.

All 20 of the slain children were either 6 or 7 years old.

Investigators have been combing "every crack and crevice" of the school and have found some "very good evidence" there and at suspect Adam Lanza's home, where his mother Nancy was killed.

The deadly shooting that shattered this quiet New England town also reignited the ongoing debate about gun laws in America.

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  1. Samuel Nkobo

    The way these Democrats talk about Republicans is the same way the Hutu talked about the Tutsi in Rwanda. Always blaming them for their problems, acting like everything would be much better if they were not around. You must look into your hearts and deal with the hatred living there. It is very dangerous.

    December 16, 2012 at 11:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • gg

      I agree.

      December 16, 2012 at 11:57 pm | Report abuse |
  2. dersu

    I keep reading gun nuts claim that the 2nd ammendment is there to protect citizens from the government. However, the vast majority of the mass shootings in recent history in the US have been perpertrated by armed citizens, not the governmant (the Waco incident is a notable exception). It is beginning to look like the people need protection from themselves. Who will provide this? The NRA? No, they will fight for rights that will enable more of these incidents.

    December 16, 2012 at 11:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Samuel Nkobo

      There are over 100 million people buried in mass graves around the world who were killed by governments who took great care to disarm them before they attacked. It can happen again. You cannot change the nature of the predator.

      December 16, 2012 at 11:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dersu

      Samuel, you can also not change the nature of the paranoid. My comment was referring to the USA. Which last I remember most right-wingers also consider the greatest nation on Earth, where government by design does not readily kill its citizens in mass. Do you not believe in this design? Do you consider yourself a patriot? Where are our mass graves of Americans killed by the US government? You live in the united state of paranoid delusion. I'm not saying its not possible, but give me the smoking gun of this belief that Obama is out to kill you. The gun is in your own hand.

      December 17, 2012 at 12:23 am | Report abuse |
  3. Will

    Whatever happened to the man that was handcuffed? Whatever happened to the people that the police were chasing into the woods behind the school? Whatever happened to the purple van with men in nun's costumes leaving the scene that police were searching for? None of these questions have been answered.

    December 16, 2012 at 11:35 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Samuel Nkobo

    Will Mr. Obama send some of his armed guards to protect you and your family at all times? His wife and children are very safe. He is very safe. The guns of his guards make that possible. Why does Mr. Obama want to be safer than you and your family?

    December 16, 2012 at 11:35 pm | Report abuse |
  5. lopper

    this guy wants to be emperor. soon the reign of the sith will return and we will be back to the dark ages.

    December 16, 2012 at 11:39 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Mike

    @Jeremy -

    Make the semi-automatic assault guns illegal and issue immediate notices for all the banned guns to be turned in. Legislate a stiff prison sentence of 5-10 years for anyone found holding one those banned guns after a certain deadline. These guns will be out of the civilian society really quick.

    December 16, 2012 at 11:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jeremy

      Interesting...I can post these short comments but not what I want to say...hmmmm..

      December 16, 2012 at 11:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jeremy

      You really think that will work?? What about the ones who don't turn them in? What about the guns the govt doesn't know about???

      December 16, 2012 at 11:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Brad S

      Mike you say "these guns will be out of society real quick." I say "not a chance in hell."

      December 17, 2012 at 12:26 am | Report abuse |
  7. Mike

    @George W.

    I am anti-abortion too ... but this is not a forum for trying to get abortion banned in return for accepting gun ban to protect our kids.

    I am not a hypocrite ... i am against abortion ... but it looks really INSENSITIVE to bring up that issue in this CONTEXT...

    i am against both ... kids dying in womb and kids dying in gun violence ... we dont have to choose one or the other .... we need to reject both.

    December 16, 2012 at 11:47 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Samuel Nkobo

    Mr. Obama and his family are very safe behind their men with guns. So are these Democrat politicians crying out for your guns to be taken from you. So are these movie stars and journalists. They are all very safe behind their men with guns.

    December 16, 2012 at 11:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jeremy

      you are so correct...

      December 17, 2012 at 12:03 am | Report abuse |
  9. Jeremy

    99.99% of guns in the US killed NO ONE on Friday.

    How many died due to cars?

    How many died due to medical malpractice?

    Once you take care of the top killers in the US THEN you can look at guns. Until then....back off! Really now... So whats next??

    December 17, 2012 at 12:02 am | Report abuse |
    • Sandy

      Jeremy, normal citizens of this country do not need to have assualt wheapons in their house. Every day 32 people get killed from gun shots in this country. Is still OK for you?? The study concludes that guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.

      December 17, 2012 at 1:19 am | Report abuse |
  10. Ray

    So are the guns rights people telling the works that our country and government is as bad as Syria and Iran. Hence we need guns to protect ourselves ?? Is this the message to the world??? Then what right do we have to sermonizing to the rest of the world. Now imagine every country in the world followed us and allowed their citizens to arm themselves. That's 7 billion people bearing arms. Allowing civilians to carry arms is the recipe for disaster, a recipe for a chaotic society. That's why we have police force, army, elected govt. so stop these crap arguments.

    December 17, 2012 at 12:02 am | Report abuse |
    • Jeremy

      Might be a crap argument but when did the police stop one of these guys...or did they just show up to tape off the scene???

      December 17, 2012 at 12:04 am | Report abuse |
    • Samuel Nkobo

      No Ray, guns in the hands of civilians is a recipe for a FREE society. You think your government will not abuse you if you have no weapons? What will keep them from flying drones over your house, breaking in if they think you are dangerous to them, or keeping you in prison indefinitely because they do not like your opinions? You think you are something special just because you wish it to be so? Read history. Over 100 million people have been killed by their government in the last century. Government always seeks more power.

      December 17, 2012 at 12:19 am | Report abuse |
  11. Samuel Nkobo

    The Democrat tells me to give him my gun. He says it is too dangerous for me to have.

    I tell the Democrat I need the gun to protect myself and my family. The Democrat says oh that gun will not protect you, it is too small.

    Democrats are very confusing people.

    December 17, 2012 at 12:03 am | Report abuse |
    • Jeremy

      you are a wise man....salute...

      December 17, 2012 at 12:06 am | Report abuse |
    • jim mraz

      That's right give ARM ALL the middle with weapons Obama, and then take all our guns away so when your Brotheren come to take our land in the name of the "A" man.. we will be defenceless without guns, Once a Muslim Always a Muslim. well done on spreading sharia law in Egypt Obama are we next.
      Guns are staying, maybe if the guys father was less interested in making money for wall street and payed attention to his son this would not have happened lets blame wall street. It was not the gun but a lonely boy with no father figure.

      December 17, 2012 at 2:12 am | Report abuse |
    • freedom from you

      6 out of every 10 Americans have a gun, I think your barking up the wrong tree obama you do the math and see if your going to win this gun debate. Spend time on fixing the economy because this is a no brainier.
      AMERICANS LIKE THERE GUNS. your bills against will be pointless and just take valuable time away from the economy.
      where 100 million babies futures will die if you don't fix it.

      December 17, 2012 at 2:21 am | Report abuse |
    • SDR

      Once again the focus is skewed! Morgan Freeman recently said it best. The troubled people who do these things don't want to silently take their own life in their basement. They want to be remembered for something. They prey on the most vunerable people and populated places because they know the media will make them infamous. It becomes a game for them. There is so many things wrong with this country that only a restructuring from the foundation will change it. Sadly, that will never happen!

      December 17, 2012 at 3:02 am | Report abuse |
  12. Shane

    168 children killed by US drones in 7 one wants to stop this????

    December 17, 2012 at 12:05 am | Report abuse |
    • moose1

      Nope, they were all future terrorists!! Besides, President Obama ordered it, so it's okay!!! You know, HOPE & CHANGE!!

      December 17, 2012 at 12:27 am | Report abuse |
  13. Embriola

    Pro-Lifers recently proposed that all fetuses be armed with sub-miniature assault weapons to kill the would-be abortionists at the first hint of invasion...

    December 17, 2012 at 12:11 am | Report abuse |
    • philbuster

      You have mastered Alito's " reduction to the absurd".....well done.

      December 17, 2012 at 12:29 am | Report abuse |
  14. Will

    Parents – Teach your children the precious nature of a human life. I understand that some kids are noticeably different, but I guarantee that if you teach your children to respect human life, this will never happen to your kids. If he had mental problems, blame falls on the family for not getting Adam the help he needed. How do you let your Autistic son know where your guns are? Come on! In an interview, his brother said he hadn't spoken to Adam in over a year. This is the importance of a strong family. "Outcasts" NEED family support to keep them going.

    December 17, 2012 at 12:20 am | Report abuse |
    • moose1

      A voice with some reason and a grasp on reality! Thanks Will!

      December 17, 2012 at 1:15 am | Report abuse |
  15. Rk

    We should get a fresh start on gun ownership. Each American who wants a gun should get shot at, just to endure the same pain he is going to give to a human/animal..

    December 17, 2012 at 12:26 am | Report abuse |
    • Jeremy

      I don't' shoot at people or animals.....

      December 17, 2012 at 12:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Samuel Nkobo

      This is the talk of someone who would murder his fellow citizens because he hates them so much. Very dangerous talk, like the Hutu talking about the Tutsi in Rwanda. You should not hate. It will destroy your country.

      December 17, 2012 at 12:39 am | Report abuse |
    • Jake

      A hunter's bullet is much more humane that what nature will do to that animal when it's dying.. Starvation, disease, broken leg/hoof, eaten alive...

      December 17, 2012 at 1:07 am | Report abuse |
    • moose1

      ...and that is why they call you Mr. Nice Guy!!

      Are you volunteering to be the trigger man?

      December 17, 2012 at 1:11 am | Report abuse |
    • GEORGE

      see the movie red dawn and then consider gun ownership. for obama is setting us up for this to happen to us as a third world nation

      December 17, 2012 at 1:54 am | Report abuse |
    • GEORGE

      i have beenshot at defending your rights to own a gun

      December 17, 2012 at 1:59 am | Report abuse |
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