December 16th, 2012
10:27 PM ET

'These tragedies must end, and to end them we must change'

  • President heads list of dignitaries and local clergy members offering comfort to the people of Newtown, Connecticut
  • 20 children, six adults and the shooter are dead after shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School on Friday morning
  • Police: Nancy Lanza, mother of gunman, died from multiple gunshot wounds
  • Gunman Adam Lanza had assault rifle magazines that held 30 bullets each, police said
  • Victims' names released Saturday; all of the slain children were either 6 or 7 years old
  • Complete coverage: Connecticut school shooting
  • Soledad O'Brien will be live from Newtown, Connecticut, with advice and insight from Deepak Chopra and from people who have been through other shootings. Watch Starting Point, live at 6 a.m. ET Monday.

[Update 10:27 p.m. ET] Christina Hassinger, 30, the daughter of slain Sandy Hook Elementary Principal Dawn Hochsprung, sent out this tweet after meeting with President Obama before the prayer vigil.


[Updated 9:39 p.m.] A long silence followed the conclusion of President Obama's remarks before the audience began to applaud. The president walked off the stage to return to the floor, but a woman stopped him, turned him around and sent him back up the stairs to the stage. He stopped and waved briefly to the still-applauding crowd before exiting backstage.

The Rev. Bob Weiss, pastor of Newtown's St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church, then offered a prayer for the community's resilience in the times to come.

The Rev. Rob Morris, vicar of King Lutheran Church, gave a benediction before asking the audience to remain in the auditorium, comforting one another, at least until word came that the president had safely exited the school campus.

Read the full text of Obama's speech here.

[Updated at 9:13 p.m. ET] The president recalled a saying that having children is "like walking around with your heart outside your body" before pausing a moment to wipe a tear from his left eye.

"This job of keeping our children safe and teaching them well is something we can only do together," he told the hushed audience. "This is our first task: taking care of our children. It's our first job. If we don't get that right, we don't get anything right."

He then asked whether "we as a nation" are meeting that obligation.

"The answer is no, and we will have to change," he said.

Obama said this was the fourth mass shooting during his presidency, and there were countless other acts of gun violence on a smaller scale.

"We can't tolerate this anymore," he said. "These tragedies must end, and to end them we must change."

[Updated at 9:02 p.m. ET] Saying "we can't accept events like this as routine," President Barack Obama said Sunday he'll use whatever power he has to prevent more tragedies like what happened Friday in Newtown, Connecticut. "Surely we can do better than this," the president said.

[Updated at 8:52 p.m. ET] President Barack Obama is speaking to the crowd, which is remaining almost completely silent.

"We gather here in memory of 20 beautiful children and six remarkable adults," he said. "... I come to offer the love and prayers of a nation."

He assured the people of Newtown that the entire nation felt the loss.

"Our world too has been torn apart. All across this land of ours we have wept with you. We have pulled our children tight. ... Newtown, you are not alone."

[Updated at 8:37 p.m. ET] Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy spoke briefly, saying "We will get better," before introducing President Barack Obama.

[Updated at 8:30 p.m. ET] Newtown First Selectwoman Patricia Llodra said Friday's mass murder was "a defining moment," but it would not itself define Newtown. "We are defined by acts of courage, by love and by our continuing love for our children and families," she said.

[Updated at 8:25 p.m. ET] John Woodall, leader of the local Baha'i community, described "a burning grief" that accompanies the loss of a child, a loss that is "beyond the depth of human endurance." However, he said the sacred scripture of the Baha'i faith offers this admonishment: "Be thou not disconsolate. Do not languish. Do not sigh and weep. For agitatation and mourning affect the soul - the divine soul in the eternal realm."

Leo McIlrath, ecumenical chaplain of the Lutheran Home of Southbury, Connecticut, offered a prayer for the counselors, clergy and caregivers who are trying to comfort the bereaved.

[Updated at 8:16 p.m. ET] A young boy named Jason Graves sang a Muslim chant before Muadh Bhavnagarwala with Newtown's  Al Hedaya Islamic Center offered a one-minute homily. "Verily, with every difficulty there is ease," Bhavnagarwala said, quoting from the Quran in a quavering voice.

Jane Sibley, minister of visitation and spiritual growth, Newtown United Methodist Church, offered a prayer for first responders.

[Updated at 7:58 p.m. ET] Rabbi Shaul Praver, rabbi of Congregation Adathi in Newtown, sang the traditional Hebrew memorial prayer. The Rev. Mel Kawakami, senior minister of Newtown United Methodist Church, stood by his side, wearing a white surplice embroidered with colorful butterflies.

"There is no death, just transformation. May they rest in peace," Praver said.

Kawakami offered a prayer for the dead and the grieving, "for we are all a family as children of God," he said. "We embrace the grieving as our own. Bring us together in peace and amity."

[Updated at 7:49 p.m. ET] President Obama has entered the auditorium to brief, polite applause and quickly taken a seat on the main floor. The Rev. Matt Crebbin, senior minister of the Newtown Congregational Church, is opening the prayer vigil with welcoming remarks.

[Updated at 7:30 p.m. ET] Attendees at the prayer vigil rose to give first responders - paramedics, police officers, firefighters and others - a long standing ovation when they entered the auditorium.

[Updated at 7:07 p.m. ET] The start of the interfaith prayer vigil is delayed as President Obama continues to meet with first responders and families of victims behind closed doors. Sources at Newtown High School say 900 people are in the auditorium for the service, with 1,300 others in the gymnasium overflow.

[Updated at 6:15 p.m. ET] Connecticut's retiring U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman, Sen. Richard Blumenthal, and Sen.-elect Christopher Murphy are circulating through the Newtown High School Auditorium and speaking with townsfolk assembling there for this evening's prayer vigil.

[Updated at 5:47 p.m. ET] President Barack Obama is meeting with the families of victims and with first responders before this evening's prayer vigil at Newtown High School.

[Updated at 4:03 p.m. ET] President Barack Obama has just landed in Connecticut where he will meet with family members and first responders.  Obama will then attend an interfaith vigil in Newtown, Connecticut.

[Updated at 3:47 p.m. ET] Adam Lanza was identified for the first time by Connecticut State Police as the gunman in Friday's shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Lt. J. Paul Vance said that Lanza died as a result of suicide using a handgun. Vance added that Lanza's mother, Nancy Lanza, died as a result of "multiple gunshot wounds" in her home.

Vance also told reporters that Adam Lanza used the Bushmaster AR-15 "assault-type weapon" most of the time at the school.

Lanza was armed with magazines that held 30 bullets each, according to Vance. He added that there were hundreds of bullets for the other weapons as well.

Vance told reporters that an additional weapon, a shotgun, was recovered from a vehicle Lanza parked outside of the school. The gunman also had a Glock 10mm and a Sig Sauer 9mm, multiple magazines and additional ammunition.

[Updated at 2:43 p.m. ET] Six-year-old Jessica Rekos was hoping to get cowgirl boots and a cowgirl hat for Christmas. Now her family is left mourning the loss of her young life.

Jessica's family sent us in a photo and statement that they wanted us to share with the world about her:

"Jessica loved everything about horses. She devoted her free time to watching horse movies, reading horse books, drawing horses, and writing stories about horses. We had promised her she could have her very own horse when she turned 10. She asked Santa for new cowgirl boots and a cowgirl hat. She was a creative, beautiful little girl who loved playing with her little brothers, Travis and Shane. She spent time writing in her journals, making up stories, and doing "research" on orca whales – one of her passions after seeing the movie Free Willy last year. She said her dream was to see a real orca. Thankfully her dream was realized in October when she went to SeaWorld.

Jessica was our first born. She started our family, and she was our rock. She had an answer for everything, she didn't miss a trick, and she outsmarted us every time. We called her our little CEO for the way she carefully thought out and planned everything. We can not imagine our life without her. We are mourning her loss, sharing our beautiful memories we have of her, and trying to help her brother Travis understand why he can't play with his best friend. We are devastated, and our hearts are with the other families who are grieving as we are."

You can read more about the rest of the victims in our interactive here, which will be updated as we get more photos and statements from family members.

[Updated at 2:13 p.m. ET] Lee Shull doesn’t want to feel helpless anymore.

That's why as a parent of a child at Sandy Hook Elementary school he gathered other Newtown, Connecticut, residents together on Sunday for a meeting to try to figure out what happened and how they can ensure it doesn't happen again.

The group was seeking to move forward a conversation about gun laws, mental health and the moral fabric of our country in the wake of another deadly shooting.

"We’re trying to get the word out to this country that we thought this was a safe community," Shull said. "This can happen anywhere. We need to start here and learn from this event."

Shull said his family is feeling the impact of the shooting personally. While he’s never met the gunman, his daughter was in a classroom where children were gunned down. Three other girls who shared a dance studio with his daughter are now dead.

[Updated at 1:31 p.m. ET] We've just learned that officials have given the "all-clear" at the St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church in Newtown, Connecticut. The church had been evacuated due to an unspecified threat.

[Updated at 1:27 p.m. ET]  Authorities evacuated a Catholic church in Newtown, Connecticut, Sunday. It was unclear why the St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church had been evacuated.

Witnesses said authorities told them to leave the church premises.  A column of armed police officers walked across the church property and entered a building next to the church's parking lot.

The church is less than two miles from Sandy Hook Elementary School.

[Updated at 1:03 p.m. ET] Lillian Bittman, a former chairwoman of the Newtown Board of Education, struggled to speak about the victims killed at Sandy Hook Elementary school.

She knew some of them directly, including Principal Dawn Lafferty Hochsprung, who she helped appoint.

“Everyone just feels violated,” she said of the town and the school she had been involved with for over 15 years. "It's unbelievable that this could happen to a little school that had so much joy in it."

Bittman said the school had done everything they thought they could to protect the children. And she hopes that out of tragedy, the country can find a way to move forward in a meaningful way.

"I need the country and the world to understand that out of this we have to bring good. This was an idyllic setting for children and now children, young children, have died," she told CNN's Don Lemon. "When Columbine happened, our school put in a buzzer system. But this keeps happening."

Bittman said that the families of those who were murdered are understandably "a mess" right now. She feels the same. The question now, she said, is whether we can put aside our differences as a country on mental health and gun control issues to make sure something as tragic as this doesn't happen again.

"We as a country have to use this to come together and look at all the solutions. What can the world do? Love each other and work together," she said. "Figure this out so no more six-year-olds die or have to watch their teacher die in their classroom."

[Updated at 12:12 p.m. ET] We are learning more details about the victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.

Here's what the family of Olivia Rose Engel, 6, wanted to share about her:

"Olivia Rose Engel was a precocious and completely endearing six-year old. She loved school, and was very good at math and reading. She was creative, loved craft projects and art class, and loved participating in as many sports and activities as her mom Shannon could get her to- from tennis to swimming, ballet to soccer, Daisy Girl Scouts to musical theater, and her church’s CCD program, nothing was off limits for little girl who’s favorite colors were pink and purple. Olivia was always keen to take a spin on the lake and Sound on her dad or grandpa’s Whaler. She was a patient big sister to three-year old Brayden, lead Grace each evening at the dinner table, and was a six-year old with a lot to look forward to."

To learn more about the victims, please look at our interactive, which will be updated as we get more information.

[Updated at 12:12 p.m. ET] U.S. Sen. Richard Blumenthal said he has been touched by the "strength and resilience' of the community of Newtown in the wake of the school shooting.

"I don’t think I will ever forget the cries of grief and pain that I saw at that firehouse," Blumenthal, a Democrat representing Connecticut said, referring to the area where families gathered to learn if their loved ones were alive or dead.

[Updated at 12:02 p.m. ET] Authorities still have many witnesses, including children, that they will interview in the investigation of a Connecticut elementary school shooting, Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance told reporters Sunday.

"Our people are talking with everybody slowly but surely, but methodically, too," he said. "This is something where people's hearts are broken, as we all well know. And we have to be sensitive."

[Updated at 11:54 a.m. ET] Authorities investigating the Connecticut elementary school shooting are analyzing evidence they've collected, including firearms, Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance told reporters Sunday.

"We are tracing them historically to all the way back on the workbench when they were being assembled," he said.

[Updated at 11:50 a.m. ET] Inaccurate information about the Connecticut elementary school shooting is spreading on social media, and authorities could prosecute those responsible, Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance told reporters Sunday.

Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance addresses reporters on Sunday morning.

"Misinformation is being posted on social media sites," he said. "There has been misinformation from people posing as the shooter in this case, posing using other IDs. Mimicking this crime and crime scene and criminal activity that took place in this community. There's been some things in somewhat of a threatening manner. ... These issues are crimes. They will be investigated. ... Prosecution will take place when people who are perpetrating this information are identified."

[Updated at 11:47 a.m. ET] Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California said Sunday the president will soon have legislation "to lead on" in the gun control debate, announcing she will introduce a bill next month in the Senate to place a ban on assault weapons.

"We'll be prepared to go, and I hope the nation will really help," Feinstein said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

The senator said she'll introduce the bill when Congress reconvenes in January and the same legislation will also be proposed in the House of Representatives.

"We're crafting this one. It's being done with care. It'll be ready on the first day," she said, adding that she'll soon announce the House authors.

"It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation, and the possession. Not retroactively, but prospectively. It will ban the same for big clips, drums or strips of more than 10 bullets," she said. "There will be a bill."

[Updated at 9:59 a.m. ET] The gunman used his weapon to force his way into the building, the state's governor told CNN Sunday.

"He penetrated the building by literally shooting an entrance into the building. That's what an assault weapon can do for you," Gov. Dan Malloy told CNN's Candy Crowley.

Gunman described as quiet, withdrawn

Malloy also said he was the one who broke the news to families that their loved ones had died at the school.

"It's a very difficult thing to do," he said. "The parents had been gathered for a number of hours, clinging to hope. ...And you can never be prepared for that, to tell 18-20 folks, or actually families, that their loved one would not be returning to them that day or in the future."

The Connecticut governor also discussed wanting tougher federal laws.

[Updated at 7:00 a.m. ET] Here's a quick look at the latest updates in the Connecticut elementary school shooting:

Relatives of the victims will meet with President Barack Obama on Sunday when the president visits.

All the victims died from gunshot wounds and were struck multiple times, said H. Wayne Carver II, Connecticut's chief medical examiner. Their deaths were classified as homicides.

All 20 of the slain children were either 6 or 7 years old.

Investigators have been combing "every crack and crevice" of the school and have found some "very good evidence" there and at suspect Adam Lanza's home, where his mother Nancy was killed.

The deadly shooting that shattered this quiet New England town also reignited the ongoing debate about gun laws in America.

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  1. NoBamma

    I liked this one "Either the shooter was born south of the Mason-Dixon line or he spent a lot of time there. On weekends he hung around the gun & ammo. department at Walmart. He lived in a trailer park, drank Everclear and had intimate relations with his sister. He was a rabid nascar fan, a card carrying member of the Tea Party and he always voted republican. There you have it. His profile in a nutshell"

    December 16, 2012 at 12:08 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Nguoinhaque

    No sale/possession of guns/weapons, no murder TV shows, no violence movies...those we need to do.

    December 16, 2012 at 12:12 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe Greene

      The violent crime rate has dropped sharply, and steadily, since the advent of the first person shooter.

      December 16, 2012 at 12:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Lawful gun owner

      These are all called options. You have the option not to watch violent movies, you have the option to and not to own a gun. That does not fix the issue of mentally Ill people does it? Your in a fantasy land.

      December 16, 2012 at 12:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • JC

      I agree. There is no reason for those weapons excepting killing the maximum number of people in the minimum amount of time. It's a start.

      December 16, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Andler

      I bet you will wish you had one the next time your car breaks down in a neighborhood full of yoots looking for trouble or when they start breaking into your house and taking turns to crawl all over your wife.

      December 16, 2012 at 12:42 pm | Report abuse |
  3. the prophet

    The Norton Introduction to Literature

    December 16, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
  4. NoBamma

    Either the shooter was born south of the Mason-Dixon line or he spent a lot of time there. On weekends he hung around the gun & ammo. department at Walmart. He lived in a trailer park, drank Everclear and had intimate relations with his sister. He was a rabid nascar fan, a card carrying member of the Tea Party and he always voted republican. There you have it. His profile in a nutshell

    December 16, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Chris mankey

      "Either the shooter was born south of the Mason-Dixon line or he spent a lot of time there. On weekends he hung around the gun & ammo. department at Walmart. He lived in a trailer park, drank Everclear and had intimate relations with his sister. He was a rabid nascar fan, a card carrying member of the Tea Party and he always voted republican. There you have it. His profile in a nutshell"

      That's your profile

      December 16, 2012 at 12:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • momof3

      Obviously you have no idea about people south of the mason dixon line. Do you see them in these reports killing innocent children and others. no it is usually someone from a rich family...we might be from the south but we are not as stupid as you all.

      December 16, 2012 at 12:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • humberto

      Who you kidding, mono?

      December 16, 2012 at 12:50 pm | Report abuse |
    • wisdom


      December 16, 2012 at 8:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tibor Warski

      Attention's "loser" not "looser". You really are a credit to the cause. You really, truly are.

      December 16, 2012 at 8:21 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Red Dog

    There should be an investigation into why so much incorrect information was released by authorities concerning who the shooter was and other details about this attack as it was unfolding.

    December 16, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • catie123

      I don't think the early information came from the authorities, at least not in an official capacity. The media likely took anything they could get in terms of information and ran with it to get the story, whether they could verify it or not.

      December 16, 2012 at 12:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • Red Dog

      Who released information to the media that the shooter was the 24 year old brother?

      December 16, 2012 at 12:38 pm | Report abuse |
    • annyjay

      Why is the name of this killer being published. Why do we care about the life of Sandy Hook killer. If he silently offed himself, we wouldn't know he existed, but instead, as this shooter had seen many times before in the media, his name gets put into the history books. There's lots of examples – Billy the Kid, Al Capone, John Gotti, Ted Bundy and the Columbine killers (I won't type their name). Did they invent to cure for polio? Contribute to the betterment of humankind in any way? No, they went on infamous crime and murder sprees. Why do we glorify these people? It says a lot about our society and not in a good way.

      December 16, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Report abuse |
    • Look n Click

      The information probably was not released by authorities, it was media, which filled the vacuum of absent information from authorities. It is not required to be of high IQ or to be a logical thinker to become a reporter. All you need to do is to write catchy headlines fast.

      December 16, 2012 at 1:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • wisdom


      December 16, 2012 at 8:17 pm | Report abuse |
  6. mitchlabuda

    In all the noise, don't forget the little ones that were lost, they are the important bits of the story

    December 16, 2012 at 12:15 pm | Report abuse |
  7. saywhat

    Good morning all.
    This suicide shooter is another ugly face of terrorism.
    Wearing battle fatigues, military vest with access to at least 5 weapons and hundreds of rounds he massacred children and innocent adults. Premeditated and deliberate act of terrorism.

    December 16, 2012 at 12:16 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Joe Greene

    According to the CDC there were 11,000 gun related homicides last year out of nearly 500,000 overall homicides. The #1 weapon of choice in homicides in the US is the baseball bat. Unless Senator Feinstein wants to introduce legislation to ban the ownership of baseball bats, she can move on to something else she clearly knows nothing about.

    December 16, 2012 at 12:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • John Schwendler

      But, isn't it a start? Maybe baseball bats and knives WILL be next. Let's take this hotly divisive issue one step at a time. I think it's way too early to start talking legislation. Perhaps everyone should take this coming week and examine their own lives, habits, ideologies, mindsets, while 28 people, 20 of them in tiny coffins, are buried.

      December 16, 2012 at 12:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • Diane

      Where did you get that information? The most recent data I could find on the CDC website was for 2008, and it says that we had 11,493 firearm-related homicides out of a total of 16,799 homicides.

      If you have a better source, please link to it. Otherwise, stop making stuff up.

      December 16, 2012 at 12:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • OldAeroGuy

      You've got the gun related homicides correct at around 11,000 but total homicides are around 17,000, not 500,000. Baseball bats are far out-numbered by firearms.

      December 16, 2012 at 12:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Craig Doherty

      I'm not sure why you would go to the CDC for homicide data but try the FBI instead. In 2011 there were 13,913 homicides nationwide and 67.7% were using firearms, 13.4% were knives or cutting instruments, 13.1% were other weapons, and 5.8% were using fists, feet, etc.. In what world do you live in that you could possibly for even a second believe that baseball bats were the #1 choice of weapon?

      December 16, 2012 at 12:55 pm | Report abuse |
  9. getaclue

    We need to post this all over the web. All over Facebook. Get this message out.

    December 16, 2012 at 12:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bryan

      The anti-gun message?'s one of the only ways we can honor those children.

      December 16, 2012 at 1:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • humberto

      You have no honor Bryan....political user.

      December 16, 2012 at 2:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bryan

      and you have no brain, and no heart Humberto.....apparently guns are more important to you than children. I can't believe there are people like you in this country.

      December 16, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dave

      Automobiles kill more than guns, do you love your car more than children?

      December 16, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Toolttime

      So you say someone will actually take. A vehicle and actually premedated kill 20 6-7 year old kids and 7 adults with his car?

      December 16, 2012 at 4:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • JoeSchnoor

      Yes. Happened many times already.

      December 16, 2012 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • Oppositeofliberal

      Timothy McVey did it...... Where there is a will, there's a way. Regardless of what is banned or illegal...

      December 16, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • KwaiChangCain

      And creating bombs or materials to create a bomb, is against the law and a felony. What's your point? So guns should be banned too, right? Ok with me.

      December 17, 2012 at 12:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Bob

      It happens in other honestly think it can't happen here? Do you even watch the news in the middle east?

      December 16, 2012 at 7:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Toolttime

      So you are saying someone would use their car purposely to kill 20 6-7 year old kids and 7 adults ? Your statement doesn't make sense?

      December 16, 2012 at 4:39 pm | Report abuse |
    • BB

      8 people who were nonsmokers died today from lung cancer as a result of exposure to secondhand smoke.
      1,230 people died today prematurely from smoking or exposure to secondhand smoke, and another 8.6 million live with a serious illness caused by smoking.
      Do you feel as strongly about banning tobacco as you do about banning guns? Don't be a political puppet do some research on what is really killing us here in America.

      December 16, 2012 at 4:54 pm | Report abuse |
    • Derek Ford

      It must be a message from god as there is no other reason for such a tragedy.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • friend

      Oh stick it up ur butt.....God had nothing to do wth this

      December 16, 2012 at 7:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Moron Whisperer

      @Friend. Ur an idiot.

      December 16, 2012 at 9:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • jackson

      Sounds like mike (the nanny) bloomberg

      December 17, 2012 at 10:50 am | Report abuse |
    • Darthlawsuit

      Bryan- Oh yeah tell that to the people of Chicago. Gun control has really helped stop violence. Infact they haven't had a death in minutes!

      December 16, 2012 at 4:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • Catherine

      Americans love their guns more than they love thier children.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ohdear

      This is so silly. You must know how thin and desperate such an argument sounds.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Greg B.

      Automobiles are designed to be killing machines. What's the intended purpose of a Bushwacker AR-15?

      December 16, 2012 at 6:48 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sabot

      Why do gun proponents always drag these silly comments out. Cars kill lots of people yes, but they are NOT designed to kill, they are not intended to kill, same with any number of potentially lethal items (booze, electricity, running water).
      This singular use of a gun is to kill, they have been designed, changed and perfected over hundreds of years. to do one thing. kill. some of these weapons are so overpowered and useless for hunting. There only use is killing another human being. So stop with the silly comparisons they prove nothing, and reek of desperation.

      December 16, 2012 at 9:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • DN

      'Dave' you are stupid. There's no other way to state it. Cars are not made to kill. Guns are made to kill. Alcohol is the cause of deaths, but alcohol is not made to KILL!

      December 16, 2012 at 9:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Kev

      Dave, your argument is completely flawed and irrelevant. Called a slippery slope...ever heard of it? Well, anyways, what is a gun's primary purpose? To kill. What is a car's? To provide transportation. Go get a quality education. Or just use your brain

      December 16, 2012 at 9:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Basher

      Naturally the shooter is just another innocent victim because the gun made him commit this heinous crime. The president will play this for all the political gain he can muster. They should focus on the shooter and his motives more than the guns. The guns were apparently legally obtained by his mother. Shame on her for not locking them up from whacko son.

      December 16, 2012 at 4:37 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ohdear

      I grieve for our country's ability to communicate productively on the most important issues. How can what you posted be perceived as other than a private citizen politicizing a tragedy? How can most posts? Of course the most cynical and the most heartfelt of politicians are perceived the same way. The personal is political, after all. More and more we feel to be a country in a bad marriage with a spouse we no longer respect and only talk to in the most sanctimonious and least self-aware terms. On all sides. It's intellectually dishonest and legislatively a disaster.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cheryl

      We don't know now, but maybe the guns were used for target practice. My son was a little older but he had a gun collection and he used them for target practice and our state laws are different. I went with him one Sunday and he showed me how to use the guns safely. My son didn't have mental issues.
      We will never know but there is a chance that this woman died because she was trying to prevent this tragedy.

      December 16, 2012 at 8:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • humberto

      I didn't try to use the death of the children for a political agenda as politicians too often doby cutting funding.for public education,, a mental health and child development issue. Yet these politicians are not held liable for child abuse when they do so,, right Bryan?

      December 16, 2012 at 6:09 pm | Report abuse |
    • crystal

      Filthy pedophile sodomites kill a lot more children then guns where's the outrage?

      December 16, 2012 at 7:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • joe

      it is weird people's attachment to their guns.....
      you don't need guns in most other cilvilized modern western countries. If you add up the gun violence from ALL
      17 western developed nations that are FREE, their violence doesn't even compare to the rate in the US.
      This is a fact ignored by the gun lovers....
      very strange...
      almost pathalogical..

      December 16, 2012 at 8:51 pm | Report abuse |
    • Spitzer

      i am so sick of you gun toting neanderthals. one way or another your automatic gun wafting ways will soon come to an end.

      December 17, 2012 at 8:14 am | Report abuse |
    • Darthlawsuit

      Yeah banning guns has worked sooooo well for Chicago. Gun violence has really stopped and now citizens can protect themselves.... Oh wait none of those happened and people cannot protect themselves. Oh well lets keep trying something that doesn't work in the hopes that one day it will work.

      December 16, 2012 at 4:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • addy92

      similar to the definition of insanity, expecting a different result!

      December 16, 2012 at 5:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • LockedandLoadedinNorthville

      I'm with you

      December 16, 2012 at 5:56 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tomi

      I can confirm you have brain problems. I live in Chicago. When you ban gun in Chicago and suburbs are selling them..tell me how that works? You and your NRA are crazy. Destroy ing innocent lives.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • TV

      It has worked very well in New York City. Very few gun deaths for a city that size.

      December 16, 2012 at 9:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • kopakco

      It's because people can still buy guns in neighboring Indiana...that's partially the reason

      December 16, 2012 at 9:30 pm | Report abuse |
    • Tom Hartman

      How many children would have been killed in that school if the idiot didn't have, and couldn't get, a gun?

      December 16, 2012 at 9:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Sammy

      It's because the crooks can easily bring in the guns into Chicago from neighboring US towns, cities and states! Use your head or are you playing stupid because you're so crazily in love with your agent of death and care less that kids are being blown out by idiots who have easy access to weapons of destruction? Pathetic.

      December 16, 2012 at 9:42 pm | Report abuse |
    • briggs

      This is so true, the same has been going on in Mexico. The problem is that they think that taking weapons off the hands of law abiding citizens and only letting police and Criminals who do not care about laws carry weapons. They will be the only ones to be able to protect them selves while we sit at home getting stabbed and robbed as we wait for the police to show up. Remember, the police only show up after the crime has been committed. Do not take my weapons, do not tread on me or my rights just cause nut jobs love going into Shooting spree zones, I mean Gun free zones.

      December 16, 2012 at 9:46 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      It will work much better when the ban is nationwide.
      Box-knives are banned on flights
      State have started bans on texting and cell phone use for teen drivers
      There is plenty of precedent for the argument that it is not just the fool who is responsible for the violence. It is the fool and the tool. Yes, guns kill people

      December 16, 2012 at 9:49 pm | Report abuse |
    • cabinr

      Ever seen a school shooting using fully automatic weapons? No? That's because they're illegal. By the way, just because Chicago banned them doesn't mean that they can't drive one state away to legally purchase a gun.

      December 16, 2012 at 10:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • arrrgghhh

      anti mental nonhealth – that would be a clearer goal – as now lots more to join into the ever growing numbers eligible for their murderous 'treatment'

      December 16, 2012 at 5:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • jackson

      Oh yes... I need my zannex and ridalin ...... oh baby

      Invest in pharmaceuticals....

      December 17, 2012 at 11:00 am | Report abuse |
    • jackson

      Ahhh yes....

      They weren't homicidal...or suicidal...until they started taking zanex and ridalin.

      December 17, 2012 at 11:06 am | Report abuse |
    • Chuck

      Shall not be infringed, means what it says

      December 16, 2012 at 5:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • glorydays

      Even if a 20 children get in the way....

      December 16, 2012 at 5:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Ernest

      "shall not be infringed", good line, unfortunately it refers to the "Well Regulated Militia"...try actually reading the 2nd Amendment. It doesn't refer to some nut job in Conn.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:05 pm | Report abuse |
    • Bob

      Actually the 2nd amendment states "...the right of the PEOPLE shall not be infringed". Maybe YOU should read it more carefully.

      December 16, 2012 at 7:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • WW

      Yeah it means some fool's ego is worth more the our children.

      December 16, 2012 at 6:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • seen both sides


      December 16, 2012 at 8:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jake H

      Couldn't agree more. It all starts with the childish partys fighting and disagreeing over money. Obama trust for our safety. No one helps him in congress or anywhere. God knows we destroyed this planet years ago. Now its become insane and I myself blame All state and federal positions. This essential the 1st 5th nor 10th school shooting. IT IS POSSIBLE TO REDUCE CRIME. DO IT AND HELP THE PEOPLE WHO PAY YOUR PAYCHECKS

      December 17, 2012 at 12:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • gcamacho

      "Well regulated" means what it says

      December 16, 2012 at 9:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe

      Chuck, do you want to hold the blood of these kids on your hands by doing nothing?

      December 16, 2012 at 9:24 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe

      Chuck – Do you want to hold the blood of these kids on your hands by doing nothing to change the status quo? If no change happens, this will continue. Do you want this? Do you want more kids to die? Tell me.....!

      December 16, 2012 at 9:26 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike

      It is an "amendment" - it can amended or changed.

      December 16, 2012 at 11:33 pm | Report abuse |
    • Get real.

      Your arguments were dead more than 27 deaths ago.

      December 16, 2012 at 8:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Goet

      Yes, let's just forget the millions that have died to protect our freedoms and give them away in a typical liberal knee-jerk fashion.

      December 16, 2012 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
    • gg

      No, senseless deaths do not mean guns are wrong. It was the work of an individual who was adequately taken care of properly by those who knew him.

      December 16, 2012 at 10:00 pm | Report abuse |
    • Samuel Nkobo

      Your arguments are found in mass graves around the world. They are the 100 million victims of governments who disarmed their people in order to attack them with impunity. Be silent now.

      December 16, 2012 at 11:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • joe

      you are right Bryan

      December 16, 2012 at 8:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • scieng1

      We do not honor the dead by making more of them. Gun control has promoted major increases in violence in EVERY country that has accepted it. What we need are practical safety policies and procedures, and training for every child to promote personal integrity, respect for others, and good choices for life.

      December 16, 2012 at 9:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • JustMe

      "Gun control has promoted major increases in violence in EVERY country that has accepted it"

      No. That's not true. Saying things like they are facts does not make them so. Take some responsibility for your words, lest they lose any value at all.

      December 16, 2012 at 9:23 pm | Report abuse |
    • indermand

      You logic and statement is absolutely absurd, care to share some real facts?? Lets not forget... in terms of mass killing, NO civilized country comes close to the repeated carnage in America. Gun control does not have to mean a complete ban, law makers can start by limiting the number of weapons and ammo one can buy and similar measures. Some mental health issues also need to be addressed, but lets not exclude some MEANINGFUL gun laws. Its already to late.

      December 16, 2012 at 9:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • sag123xyz

      You are either very very ignorant or a liar! Go look at the statistics. Switzerland and Israel have gun laws that are most comparable to ours. Less than 100 people were killed by handguns in those 2 nations last year. Britain (England, Scotland, and Wales) had less than 60. No European country had over 100. In the United States, more than 10,200 people were killed by gun violence! Find out the truth, please.

      December 16, 2012 at 10:06 pm | Report abuse |
    • glenn

      The discomfort of 2nd right amendment extremists in dealing with waiting periods, background checks and limits on the extreme weapons that have no role in civilian life can not compare and should not be given weight compared to the loss of even one child's life.

      December 16, 2012 at 9:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Samuel Nkobo

      You have no right to tell me how I can protect my family, glenn. You think you can control so much. Will you come to my house and help my wife and children if someone breaks in when I am away? No, you will not. Keep out of my business, glenn.

      December 17, 2012 at 12:05 am | Report abuse |
    • Shri

      agree 100% it is nonsensical to hear from those morons about their 2 day wait time.

      December 17, 2012 at 12:14 am | Report abuse |
    • CClark

      Bryan, how many precious children are murdered in abortion clinics every day and nothing is done to stop that scourge..

      December 16, 2012 at 9:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • zandhcats

      They are not murder, it's called abortion. How many unwanted kids you adopted so far?

      December 16, 2012 at 9:34 pm | Report abuse |
    • Northeast USA

      Thats not a scourge, thats a LEGAL choice and puts less unwanted children in the world to be abused and raised as mentally and morally ill adults! I hate ppl who always have to inject their own political AND religious agenda. I have two glorious kids AND I am vehemently PRO-CHOICE!

      December 16, 2012 at 9:36 pm | Report abuse |
    • catholicliberal

      This statement is absolutely ludacrious not to mention insensitive in a time where sensitivity should be at a premium

      December 16, 2012 at 10:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • lydia collins

      What does this have to do with the mass murder of innocent children. Abortion is a right a woman has before a life is born!!! Not even close to what just happened. Idiot!!!

      December 17, 2012 at 12:17 am | Report abuse |
    • Rascal Rabble

      i believe you do get the abortion point...key words: mass murder of the innocent children...

      December 17, 2012 at 4:49 am | Report abuse |
    • BRod

      Agreed, Bryan.

      December 16, 2012 at 9:20 pm | Report abuse |
    • Mike from Calgary

      Profound grasp of the obvious. But don't get the NRA terrorists mad. Nothing worse than MAD MEN WITH GUNS. NO WONDER POLITICIANS DON'T TAKE ON THE TERRORISTS ... AND NO WONDER THE TERRIBLE TOLL OF GUN DEATHS CONTINUES UNABATED IN THE USA. Thank your local NRA members for this ongoing carnage.

      December 16, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Hello

      and when a thief breaks into your house armed with a gun and all you have protect yourself and family is pillow.. I hope you remember your gun is now in your attacker hands, not yours.

      December 16, 2012 at 10:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • jackson

      You can always call 911

      Haha! And the cops will come and write the report of your death, when they get there .... hahaha

      December 17, 2012 at 10:46 am | Report abuse |
    • jackson

      Yes ....... and feel free and secure calling 911 and the cops will write the report of your death when they get

      December 17, 2012 at 10:54 am | Report abuse |
    • jackson

      Right?? And feel safe and secure calling 911.... that helped a lot.

      We're here....... oh sorry, your dead already

      December 17, 2012 at 11:10 am | Report abuse |
    • Awabnavi

      Not the anti-gun message. The ANTI-KILLING message to stop the killing of children and others by Americans all around the globe,

      December 17, 2012 at 4:15 am | Report abuse |
    • Agorhosa

      Yes, yes, yes. I completely agree, mate.

      December 17, 2012 at 5:21 am | Report abuse |
    • travis johnson

      the anti-gun mentality, its because of guns that that we all can state our opinion. which is slowly being taken from us. the country won independence with guns not diplomacy.

      December 17, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jason Hurzeler

      "Remember the police come only after a crime is committed and then it's too late. People should have the right to own guns to defend themselves. It goes against everything this country was founded on to believe otherwise. If you live in the outback and you got a pack of man eating lions running around you don't disarm yourself. You keep your gun loaded and handy so that you can protect your loved ones. The same logic applies here when comes to schools and our kids. The schools should right now appoint two or three people on staff at each school to carry a concealed hand gun. It could be a teacher or even a janitor. Someone good and responsible. That's the quickest way to protect our children from these sickos."

      December 17, 2012 at 11:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • N&W 1000

      I agree; get the message out-law abiding citizens, arm and defend yourselves, and innocent children, from mass murderers.

      Do it NOW.

      December 16, 2012 at 10:32 pm | Report abuse |
    • KwaiChangCain

      You are a psycho. Stay away from me and children,

      December 17, 2012 at 12:44 am | Report abuse |
  10. cindy k

    Two and a half minutes–26 lives ended. That's what an assault weapon can do in the hands of a person intent on destruction.Two and half minutes. There are multiple ways of breaking into a building, but it's this weapon in the hands of this disturbed man that has meant that so many won't be holding their children again. Without it many of those kids would likely have been able to escape. Perhaps some would have survived even. I have yet to hear of even one instance where such a weapon was used by a civilian for a good purpose. Hunting? Seriously? Even the deer should have more of a chance than that.

    December 16, 2012 at 12:17 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe Greene

      11,000 gun related homicides in America last year out of 500,000 total homicides. Yet, when you read about stories like this you would think it's much higher. That's what believing media tripe will do.

      December 16, 2012 at 12:21 pm | Report abuse |
    • cindy k

      Two and half minutes–26 people. There are a lot of ways that people are murdered, that's true. This way doesn't have to be an option. Is there any legitimate use for this weapon?

      December 16, 2012 at 12:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • OldAeroGuy

      Total homicides in the US are about 17,000 per year. Of these, 11,500 are gun related. We need to get the facts straight.

      December 16, 2012 at 12:47 pm | Report abuse |
  11. Cheerios

    Violence in the media = violence in society. The Founding Fathers could not have envisioned the trash we are forced to listen on the radio, see on the internet, or watch on TV. The purposeful distribution of shoddy and even biased misinformation. The 1st Ad. as it exist must be challenged and changed.

    December 16, 2012 at 12:18 pm | Report abuse |
    • Joe Greene

      Sorry, but you literally have no idea what you're talking about. The violent crime rate in the US has been in steady, sharp decline for 30 years now. If anything, the violent media and video games have actually helped to curb actual violence.

      December 16, 2012 at 12:19 pm | Report abuse |
    • Cheerios

      @ Joe Greene – a bit slow with sarcasm aren't you. Try not to be so thick in public.

      December 16, 2012 at 12:21 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Nguoinhaque

    Have a bill "please protect me" in honor of those young victims and those innocence guns, no violence movies/shows. Please wake up!

    December 16, 2012 at 12:20 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Armand Ferrara

    Sounds like the kid could not get weapons himself. I blame the mother. This monster should have been in a psych hospital.

    December 16, 2012 at 12:22 pm | Report abuse |
  14. JC

    I agree with Senator Feinstein. There is no reason for civilians to have weapons whose only purpose is to kill the maximum number of people in the minimum amount of time.

    December 16, 2012 at 12:28 pm | Report abuse |
    • TT

      You do realize that all of the weapons used were semi-automatic. That means one round fires for each trigger pull. Just because the rifle looked like a military rifle does not mean it is. The M16 or M4 rifles that are the military version of the AR-15 are the weapons capable of firing automatic. Those weapons are not easily obtainable by the public.

      December 16, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Hans

    This is a society issue, gun control or even elimination will not prevent a reoccurrence of such crimes. Mass murders still occur in countries with very strict gun laws. We all have given up so many freedoms in the name of security since 9/11. Question did we get security or a police state? The government won't protect us. The media is also to blame here for glorifying the shooter so that others want to follow in his foot steps with even more hainious crimes.

    December 16, 2012 at 12:30 pm | Report abuse |
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