Supreme Court appears deeply divided over same-sex marriage
March 26th, 2013
12:40 PM ET

Supreme Court appears deeply divided over same-sex marriage

  • The Supreme Court is hearing two cases this week in the appeals to state and federal laws restricting same-sex marriage.
  • The court today first tackles an appeal of California's ban on same-sex marriage, known as Proposition 8.
  • Tomorrow, the justices will hear oral arguments over the federal Defense of Marriage Act.
  • Live updates below. Also, read the full story.

[Updated at 12:48 p.m. ET] We're signing off on this end for now - check out our main story for more detail and analysis as it comes today. We answer your questions here, and want to hear from you here.

Don't forget to join us again here tomorrow, when the Supreme Court hears the second round of debate on same-sex marriage: the Defense of Marriage Act.

[Updated at 12:31 p.m. ET] Director Rob Reiner, who watched today’s oral arguments, is a vocal critic against Proposition 8. Here's what he had to say after court adjourned:

“Today is a historic day for all those who believe in freedom and equality. After more than four years of working our case through victories at the federal District and Circuit courts, we finally had an opportunity today to present our arguments in support of marriage equality for gay and lesbian Americans before the highest court in the land. This case has always been about the love shared by two individuals and about the central promise from our nation’s founding that all men are created equal and are endowed with inalienable rights, including the pursuit of happiness.

[Updated at 12:11 p.m. ET] Andrew Pugno, general counsel for ProtectMarriage.com, tells reporters outside the court that he believes both sides of the argument have agreed that it is impossible to know with certainly how society would change by redefining "a fundamental institution such as marriage.

[Updated at 12:04 p.m. ET] “Today we feel we clearly presented the winning case for marriage,” says Andrew Pugno, general counsel for ProtectMarriage.com, who is speaking with reporters now.

[Updated at 12:01 p.m. ET] Charles Cooper, lead counsel defending Proposition 8, told reporters that he couldn't sum up his argument in a couple of sentences. "We believe Proposition 8 is constitutional," he said, making a brief statement.

[Updated at 11:48 a.m. ET] Kris Perry, a plaintiff in the Prop 8 case, just spoke, saying: "In this country as children, we learn that there's a founding principle, that all men and women are created equal. … Unfortunately with the passage of Proposition 8, we learned that there are group of people in California who are not being treated equally."

"We look forward to a day when prop 8 is officially eliminated and equality is restored to the state of California."

[Updated at 11:45 a.m. ET] Republican Ted Olson and Democrat David Boies, who joined forces to argue against Prop 8, are speaking outside the courthouse now. What's important from today, Olson said, is "the American people were listening to the argument. The other side, nobody really offered a defense."

"We're very gratified they listened, they heard, they asked hard questions, (but) there is no denying where the right is, and we hope the court (rules that way) in June."

[Updated at 11:43 a.m. ET] According to Toobin, there were a lot of questions along these lines from Justices Scalia and Alito: We don’t know the effects of same sex parenting on children, so why don’t we wait and let the states go experiment? Why do we, the Supreme Court, have to get involved in this process?

Toobin said Roberts also seemed sympathetic to these questions.

[Updated at 11:39 a.m. ET] The attorney general and the governor of California have refused to defend Prop 8. So the question, Toobin says, is "Who can defend the law? Who has the standing?" The answer to that question will be key to resolving the case.

Conservative Justices Scalia, Alito and Roberts were "very hostile of idea of the court imposing same sex marriage," according to Toobin. The four Democratic justices seemed favorably disposed.

Justice Kennedy seemed like he was in the middle, he said things that would "give comfort for both sides," Toobin says. Kennedy suggested the issue was brought prematurely before the court.

[Updated at 11:37 a.m. ET] The justices seemed very focused on how Prop 8 affects children, with Justice Kagan at some point suggesting that California have a law allowing same-sex marriage for people past child-bearing age, Toobin said.

Kagan said, according to Toobin: “I assure you if two 55 year old people, there aren’t a lot of children (coming from that marriage).”

[Updated at 11:34 a.m. ET] "This was a deeply divided Supreme Court, a court that seemed groping for answers," CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said after watching the arguments. "Now I think its even harder to predict the result of this case after hearing this argument."

[Updated at 11:31 a.m. ET] Oral arguments have wrapped up, according to CNN Supreme Court producer Bill Mears. They went just a bit over schedule, lasting about one hour and 20 minutes.


[Updated at 11:23 a.m. ET] While we wait on word from the courthouse, consider this: A new CNN/ORC International Poll indicates that 53% of Americans support same-sex marriage. In the same survey, 57% of respondents said they had a family member or close friend who is gay or lesbian.

Here's a look at the issue, by the numbers.

[Updated at 11:06 a.m. ET] The same-sex marriage debate is a huge issue, and the lawyers inside were penciled in for an hour to make their cases. Doesn't sound like much time, but to be fair, the oral arguments regarding the Affordable Care Act (aka "Obamacare") last March lasted roughly two hours.

Tomorrow's DOMA arguments have been given one hour and 50 minutes. We'll see if they stay on schedule today.

[Updated at 10:46 a.m. ET] If all is going to plan, Jean Podrasky, a lesbian whose first cousin happens to be Chief Justice John Roberts, is inside the court hearing the arguments.

"I know that my cousin is a good man," she wrote in an op-ed this week. "I feel confident that John is wise enough to see that society is becoming more accepting of the humanity of same-sex couples and the simple truth that we deserve to be treated with dignity, respect, and equality under the law."

You might see a lot of red avatars with a “=” equal sign in your Twitter feed today. Supporters of marriage rights for same-sex couples are wearing red today to show their support – both on their persons and their social media accounts. That includes Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley.

[Updated at 10:39 a.m. ET] You can find a reminder of who’s who among the nine justices here.

Try clicking on each photo to learn more about the men and women who will decide the legal fate of same-sex marriage (for now anyway) – see where they were born and educated, their career highlights and their religion.

[Updated at 10:30 a.m. ET] Inside, we expect Republican Ted Olson and Democrat David Boies joining forces in pushing for legal recognition of same-sex marriage. Prominent Washington attorney Charles Cooper will lead the defense of Proposition 8, the California referendum against same-sex marriage.

Fun fact: Olson and Boies argued opposite sides of the landmark 2000 Bush v. Gore case, which decided that presidential election.

[Updated at 10:23 a.m. ET] The temperature is rising a bit and so is the volume. Thousands have amassed in front of the U.S. Supreme court as the morning warms up.

If everything is proceeding as scheduled, oral arguments should be getting started inside the courtroom.

[Updated at 10:11 a.m. ET] The atmosphere probably pretty somber inside the court, but outside the speakers are blaring with music and the occasional chant: "Gay, straight, black, white - marriage is a civil right!"

CNN contributors David Frum and LZ Granderson have both taken to the mic, keeping the crowd charged up.

"No agency of the government can do for anyone what loving spouses do for each other," Frum said. "Today your families gather before this house of law to claim the right to live as others do without fear."

"I did not come here to ask anybody permission to love. I did not come here to (seek ) approval," said Granderson. "… I am here because 14 times the Supreme Court (ruled that marriage is) a fundamental right, and gay and lesbian couples deserve their fundamental rights!”

"Same-sex couples are not here asking for a seat at the table because we've always been here," he added. "We're not here at the steps of Supreme Court to beg. ... I too sing, America."

[Updated at 10 a.m. ET] Nope, we don't have cameras in the courtroom, but the high court should be in session at this point. After a few minutes of routine business, oral arguments should get underway at about 10:15 a.m. In addition to Jeffrey Toobin, CNN has Correspondent Joe Johns and Supreme Court producer Bill Mears watching the arguments firsthand. Stay tuned here for developments.

[Updated at 9:50 a.m. ET] As the justices gather, the court of public opinion is already weighing in - certainly on Twitter. At 9:30 a.m. ET, five of the top U.S. trends were related to the hearing today. Though, this being Twitter, #ThoughtsInBed was also riding high.

Here’s what some people are saying:

And pics from our senior legal analyst:

https://twitter.com/JeffreyToobin/status/316530205973962753

[Updated at 9:43 a.m. ET] Today's arguments have sparked conversation beyond the steps of the Supreme Court. Supporters and opponents of same-sex marriage are capturing the moment on social media. Here's one from NOH8 Campaign, who support marriage equality:

Opponents of same-sex marriage have also shown up in droves in Washington, but the rallies have kept peaceful. Here's a tweet from Alliance Defending Freedom:

[Updated at 9:26 a.m. ET] Less than an hour away from the start of oral arguments and protests outside the Supreme Court are gaining momentum. Supporters of same-sex marriage and LGBT rights are holding a rally, celebrating the historic significance of today's events.

"We are all participants of American history today - let's get this party started!" two of the organizers shouted at a cheering audience.

The crowd is holding signs, saying, "Married with pride" and "Marriage is love, commitment and family."

"Condemn hatred, embrace marriage!" the crowd chanted.

Among the speakers is retired Lt. Col. Linda Campbell, a 25-year military veteran, who was allowed to bury her partner, Nancy Lynchild, at Willamette National Cemetery. It is believed to be the first case of its kind, the same-sex spouse of a member of the military to be buried in a national cemetery.

"I know the spirit of my spouse Nancy is smiling on us today," Campbell said today.

[Updated at 8:34 a.m. ET] Looks like Justice Kennedy will definitely be the one to watch today.

"What am I looking to? Justice Kennedy in his questioning," said California Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom who, as San Francisco mayor in 2004, stoked controversy by ordering City Hall to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

He told CNN's "Starting Point" this morning that Kennedy would be key because he wrote the majority opinion in the 1996 case of Romer V. Evans in Colorado. The case dealt with Amendment 2, a Colorado initiative that banned state government from passing laws prohibiting discrimination against the LGBT community. The Supreme Court struck down the law in a 6-3 vote.

[Updated at 8:15 a.m. ET] Protesters are braving temperatures in 30s outside the high court this morning to make their stand in the same-sex marriage debate. Rainbow flags are flapping next to American ones as demonstrators bundled in thick coats and scarves hold up banners reading "The nation is ready for Marriage Equality" and "Faith Alliance to preserve the sanctity of marriage as defined by God."

[Updated at 7:55 a.m. ET] Today's oral arguments will focus on Proposition 8, a ballot initiative that was approved by California voters in a 52-48% vote in November 2008. The vote happened less than six months after the state Supreme Court ruled marriage was a fundamental right that must be extended to same-sex couples.

Its approval immediately ended same-sex marriages in the state, but opponents of the measure challenged it in court and have succeeded in convincing federal judges at the district and appellate levels to find the ban unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court will open its doors to the public and the media at 8 a.m. ET, two hours before oral arguments are scheduled to start.

[Updated at 7:23 a.m. ET] The justice to keep an eye on is Anthony Kennedy, who may be the crucial fifth vote on either side, says CNN's senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin.

"I will be listening to what Justice Anthony Kennedy says," Toobin said about the oral arguments. The four Democratic appointees - Justices Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan - will likely all vote for marriage equality.

"The most likely person to give the fifth vote is Anthony Kennedy," Toobin said.

Toobin likened the same-sex marriage argument to Loving v. Virginia, a landmark civil rights decision by the Supreme Court in 1967 that deemed laws prohibiting interracial marriages unconstitutional.

[Posted at 7:11 a.m. ET] Supreme Court justices this morning will launch an epic dialogue when they hear oral arguments in the first of two appeals to state and federal laws restricting same-sex marriage.

The first round today will deal with an appeal of California's Proposition 8, which defines marriage as between a man and a woman. The second round, scheduled for tomorrow, will tackle the 1996 federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) and a constitutional appeal over same-sex marriage and "equal protection."

The arguments will start at 10 a.m. ET today, but don't expect a decision until at least June.

soundoff (585 Responses)
  1. Joey Isotta-Fraschini ©™

    Lesbians and gay men will eventually have equality in the USA, even if this Supreme Court votes to continue legalised prejudice against them. The great majority of this country's young citizens are free of the need to oppress others on the basis of orientation.

    March 26, 2013 at 8:04 am | Report abuse |
    • cyberhackster

      I certainly hope so - Nice story photo --

      March 26, 2013 at 10:38 am | Report abuse |
    • Whatever!!

      Why not? This country is going to hell anyway. Might as well eat, drink and mary whatever we want, right? Wonder what government "program" will be incharge of this issue and what it will cost us, besides more of our freedom?

      March 26, 2013 at 4:18 pm | Report abuse |
  2. Mary

    Those of us in opposition to same-s e x marriage argue not from the standpoint of fundamental rights, but, on the bases of God's law as oppose to man's law. Man's right to be his own god, his own ruler rather than God. Tobins assessment of likening the fundamental rights of same s e x marriage to that of the "Loving v. Virginia" IS comparing apples to oranges seeing that this case goes AGAINST God's law and instatution of marriage (being one man one women). The qualifications are all met by God when one black man and one white women are given in marriage; it was ONLY man who objected in that case.

    March 26, 2013 at 8:18 am | Report abuse |
    • Lisa

      Any interpretation of this that includes 'gods law'is unfounded. We have separation of church and state here.

      March 26, 2013 at 9:32 am | Report abuse |
    • banasy©

      The same objections were used in Loving: Biblical ones, interpreted differently.
      God's laws do not apply in our secular United States. There is not reason to deny a segment of society equal rights using God's laws that do not apply IN that secular society.

      March 26, 2013 at 9:46 am | Report abuse |
    • Gryph

      Which god, Mary? This country is full of folks who do not all follow the same god as you, so why do we have to live down to standards that you can't live up to. (IE love your neighbor as yourself, do not judge...and more)

      March 26, 2013 at 9:48 am | Report abuse |
    • Robert

      Opponents of Loving argued that it was unnatural for races to intermingle, and pointed to Biblical references for justification. It isn't apples and oranges. People are people.

      March 26, 2013 at 9:54 am | Report abuse |
    • rainbowlvr

      During slavery white slave owners were referencing the bible to show that slavery was perfectly leagal and God's law as you put it. This is not about religion. This is about human beings same as me and you. They are denied same rights that me and you enjoy. Look for comapssion and love that God teaches you and accept them as equals.

      March 26, 2013 at 10:02 am | Report abuse |
    • rabbitcommarogerindyreader

      Mary, read up on the Lemon test. If religious arguments are the sole arguments supporting your position, then your argument is simply irrelevant to US civil law. There has to be a rational basis other than that your chosen deity says so.

      March 26, 2013 at 10:09 am | Report abuse |
    • Slim

      Marriage is not a right. Where is it said that marriage is a right? Marriage is legal contract between a man and woman. The enumerated list of rights in our Bill of Rights makes no mention of marriage as a right. The people on this board arguing that marriage is a right are misinformed.

      March 26, 2013 at 10:39 am | Report abuse |
    • Michael

      @Slim, that is untrue. The Biblical answer to Marriage is contract between a man and a women. The Definition of marriage is "is a social union or legal contract between people". Marriage has been around for thousands of years, long before even the bible. Historical information has recorded several instances of a "man and man" and "women and women" before married prior to the more Biblical definition.

      March 26, 2013 at 10:55 am | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      Keep your god's law in your church. It has no place in the laws of a civil, modern society. Don't recognize or perform gay marriage while you're worshiping a 2000-year-old zombie on Sunday. That's cool. Keep your zombie worshipping hands off my nation's laws. And, it is MY nation, not just yours!

      March 26, 2013 at 11:16 am | Report abuse |
    • Souljacker

      Don't you think our Lord calls you to do more with your life than hate?

      March 26, 2013 at 12:01 pm | Report abuse |
    • J

      Ever notice how the interpretation of the bible has changed over the years? At one point or another, the bible was quoted to show support for slavery, racial segregation, the crusades, etc... the fact is, the bible is a very large book, taking one or two sections out of it, I could probably find a quote to use to support anything.

      I don't believe that God (or any other supreme being) is fallible, but, the bible is a book written by man, and, like man, is therefore flawed...

      March 26, 2013 at 12:44 pm | Report abuse |
    • Laura

      God's law belongs in church. God's law in government = burka.

      March 26, 2013 at 3:12 pm | Report abuse |
  3. the prophet

    The only species that have evolved and have morals are animals, a male Lion would not go with another male Lion, and same a dog would not go with cat and vice versa. Humans imposed laws have created an immoral sonically perverted society.

    March 26, 2013 at 8:23 am | Report abuse |
    • block

      What are you talking about? There are many instances of gay animals in nature.

      March 26, 2013 at 9:43 am | Report abuse |
    • paperbottoms

      when the lion starts going to church, then your point will be valid.

      March 26, 2013 at 9:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Angelia In Atlanta

      The point "the prophet" is trying tomake is that Humans are becoming increasingly amoral as time goes on. The affect it is having is literally destroying the quality of life that America once knew.

      March 26, 2013 at 11:38 am | Report abuse |
    • Souljacker

      You don't read much, do you?

      March 26, 2013 at 12:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Laura

      Have you actually read leviticus???

      March 26, 2013 at 3:13 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Mary

    Oppression WILL continue to the end of this worlds life @ Joey; the UN will make sure of that! Not that Not that I agree with their centuries of domination and demand of obedience of the general human race.

    March 26, 2013 at 8:23 am | Report abuse |
    • Mark

      The UN's centuries of oppression? The UN was founded in 1945. That's like 70 years ago... not even one century.... but you probably think the world was created like 500 years ago and Jesus rode a dinosaur, so why bother with facts about years.

      Beyond that the UN can't compel anyone to do anything. It is pretty much powerless. The US invasion in Iraq was proof of that. They were pretty much against it, and it happened anyway. Read a book sometime.

      March 26, 2013 at 11:21 am | Report abuse |
    • ihatethejets23

      Reading books and obtaining facts before you post incorrect garbage would be a good idea. I'm pretty sure the Bible says something about that.

      March 26, 2013 at 2:02 pm | Report abuse |
  5. ronvan

    Today's excuse's are tommorrows future! I can see, in the future, arguing over marriage to a "human like" robot!

    March 26, 2013 at 8:28 am | Report abuse |
    • Souljacker

      If that robot is working and paying taxes, why not? Gosh, I hope that there isn't any intelligent life forms out there in the far reaches of space. What a debate over "marriage" THAT would be!

      Get a grip, people.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:04 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Joey Isotta-Fraschini ©™

    @ Mary:
    Eventually, the USA will achieve true separation of church and state. You and I may not live to see it, but it will happen.

    March 26, 2013 at 8:34 am | Report abuse |
  7. Mary

    Agreed @ Joey. Would you agree that the state will be eliminating religion all together in favor of a one world religion ?

    March 26, 2013 at 8:36 am | Report abuse |
    • Joey Isotta-Fraschini ©™

      @ Mary:
      There will be no need for this state to eliminate religion: it will become less present, and there is no reason to deny believers like you a crutch.
      Surely you understand that the overturning of Proposition Eight and DOMA would not require you to marry a woman, don't you, or me to marry a man?

      March 26, 2013 at 8:55 am | Report abuse |
  8. Mary

    And the blockades continue as I tried to comment to ronvan

    March 26, 2013 at 8:41 am | Report abuse |
  9. Joey Isotta-Fraschini ©™

    @ Mary:
    It was nice chatting with you.
    I have to go to work now.

    March 26, 2013 at 9:05 am | Report abuse |
  10. Mary

    The original message and laws of God that Peter and Paul were not what some people wanted to hear. Thus OTHER religions and their *spins* on what God's word said was born. Prop 8 is a crutch (as you pointedly spoke. Btw, It is God that is my crutch, not religion) for what some want to hear.

    March 26, 2013 at 9:12 am | Report abuse |
    • Michael

      I don't mean to sound insensitive to "The Word of God", but the ideals published in the Bible was fundamental several thousand years ago as a way to give people a "enlightened" but unethical direction of living ones life, as well as to explain the big "what if".

      I am Agnostic, so I do believe in a Godly present, and possibly something else beyond this life. However, I do not believe in religion. I feel that "Religion" as a whole is filled with holes, and open to whatever interpretation that a person wishes to conceive based upon there fears, wants, needs etc. One person can read a passage of the bible and get one interpretation, while another person gets a different one.

      If you are religious and follow the bible, then you must follow the bible. You can not nit pick at the bible, take what you feel is right from one section and run with it. The Bible states that Gods son, Jesus, cleansed our sins by dying for us. I have not read the bible in while, but I know of a passage in the bible that speaks about how this includes those that are Gay. That they would be allowed into heaven, and that God had forgiven them.

      If I ever find that passage again, I'll be sure to make a post.

      March 26, 2013 at 10:07 am | Report abuse |
  11. palintwit

    Tea Party Patriots believe that same- s e x marriage is the equivalent of bestiality. But they have no problem boinking their cousins every Sunday after church.

    March 26, 2013 at 9:33 am | Report abuse |
    • Laura

      tradition is tradition

      March 26, 2013 at 3:16 pm | Report abuse |
  12. banasy©

    There exists a separation of church and state for a reason. Churchs may certainly deny marriage to any couple they wish, gay or straight. This isn't the issue.

    There simply is no reason not to allow gay couples the equal rights they deserve under the 14th. No reason not to allow them to be legally wed.

    March 26, 2013 at 9:41 am | Report abuse |
  13. johnjon33

    my partner of 23 years and I are holding our breath today. the anticipation is killing us, but we're very patient.

    March 26, 2013 at 10:14 am | Report abuse |
    • Damien

      Don't hold your breath. The decision won't be today. You'll hurt yourself. 🙂

      Congrats on 23 years....much love

      Damien

      March 26, 2013 at 10:55 am | Report abuse |
  14. Brando

    Gay Marriage shouldn't even be a term. We should all be treated equally and if we only looked more at our similiarities than our differences, the world would be a much better place. I wish for the happiness and equality of all Americans one day. Sometimes it seems as if we have progressed so much, but sometimes it's as if we are going back in time.
    We must evolve as a species, as a human race....and we must do so together.
    Separating one another will only be self-defeating.

    March 26, 2013 at 10:32 am | Report abuse |
    • really?

      how does two of the same gender = evolving? I would think that is just the opposite of evolving. To turn a blind eye to it is one thing, to condone it , make it legal and approve it is disturbing,

      March 26, 2013 at 10:40 am | Report abuse |
    • the_dude

      Nothing in nature would devolve to the point they couldn't reproduce.

      March 26, 2013 at 10:52 am | Report abuse |
    • Gandhi

      Brando you have it right...don't worry about the haters hiding behind the bible or the wife (beard) they are just scared. Move past hate, no need to be scared of those who are not like you, embrace them like brothers and you will evolve yourself. We must be the change we wish to see in the world -Gandhi

      March 26, 2013 at 11:09 am | Report abuse |
  15. tayllor1234

    What man or supreme court have to say upon this subject is meaningless. The only authority is our Creator who gifted marriage to man & woman.

    March 26, 2013 at 10:35 am | Report abuse |
    • Paul

      Marriage pre-dates your silly book.

      March 26, 2013 at 10:38 am | Report abuse |
    • SixDegrees

      Please – please – hustle down to the court and make that argument to them.

      This case will be over in three minutes once you've established such a firm, religious foundation for it.

      March 26, 2013 at 10:46 am | Report abuse |
    • TRH

      I look forward to hearing from the creator on this issue. But in absense of any actual communication beyond what is in my heart I cannot fathom why hate and prejudice would be preferred over love and acceptance. But by all means, as SOON as god comes down and makes his wishes clear I'd be willing to listen.

      That book you think is the word of god, is written by man, edited my man, chopped up and put back together by man, translated by man, translated by man again, then politically edited by man, then translated again by man.

      Hardly a reliable source for factual information. Good messages? Sure, in part. But only a very literal and skewed reading can devine some sort of anti-gay message from it.

      March 26, 2013 at 10:47 am | Report abuse |
    • Hadassah

      A-Men. A woman was created to complete man. This world has taken that gift and ruined it. Just like everything else God has gifted us. The sad part is this.....the devil knows he can't destroy the gifts God has bestowed.....But he also knows he can take those gifts and cause people to turn them into something they were not inteded for.

      March 26, 2013 at 10:48 am | Report abuse |
    • sweiman

      And I agree...you can change all the laws you want to, but in the eyes of GOD there is only marriage between a man and woman....and if we are honest with ourselves in our own conscience we know what is right. Love who you want, I am in no place to judge that, get all the equal rights you want, but marriage is a sacrament and that is up to GOD.

      March 26, 2013 at 10:53 am | Report abuse |
    • AC

      Keep your god out of my country. Your silly religion is not allowed to dictate laws in the US. And how about Soloman? He had 700 wives. Have you even read the book your religion is based off of?

      March 26, 2013 at 10:56 am | Report abuse |
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