Defense: Martin's 'hostile' texts matter
May 27th, 2013
07:47 AM ET

Defense: Martin's 'hostile' texts matter

Text messages sent from Trayvon Martin's cell phone the day he was killed show he had been arguing with someone on the phone and was "hostile," attorneys for George Zimmerman wrote in a recent court filing.

Zimmerman's lawyers argue the texts are relevant to the case, in which the unarmed teenager was fatally shot by the neighborhood watch volunteer during a confrontation in a Sanford, Florida, neighborhood in February 2012.

The texts speak to Martin's demeanor and emotional state, the Thursday filing said, and "may assist the jury in understanding why Trayvon Martin chose to hide then confront George Zimmerman rather than simply going home."

The filing said the texts were mostly with "Witness 8," and the messages showed Martin and the friend were "hostile and angry with each other at various points throughout the day."

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  1. You must acquit

    Trayvon's character for violent resolution of conflict is relevant to this case. The media endeavored mightily to depict him as a misunderstood darling angel, wrongly stereotyped. If it may be proven that his true character was indeed a stereotypical big dim witted hostile person, who wanted material possession "bling" or to re sale to fund his provable chemical addictions,and would resort to hostility to get it, well then, not so much an angel.

    May 27, 2013 at 8:43 am | Report abuse |
    • Rascal Rabble

      your wack logic would justify the uk-hachet killer...

      May 27, 2013 at 9:36 am | Report abuse |
    • MotherofaBLACKBOYinaWHITECOMMUNITY

      my my my...

      May 30, 2013 at 10:55 am | Report abuse |
  2. Rascal Rabble

    this is so dumb...an unrelated conversation gets to determine whether you deserved to be murdered with skittles in your stomach...zimmerman is a racist who bolo-ed for black and the innocent one time too many...profiling a person by race to justify your illicit scrutiny that cost them their life or harm is a hate crime...the judge presiding over this case is dufus-goofus and has lost his objectivity...

    May 27, 2013 at 9:30 am | Report abuse |
    • Brad Stevens

      Your gratuitous over-reliance on spurious racism allegations speaks more of your psychology than Zimmerman's. It was a gated community preyed upon by the unsavory predatory demographic of Sanford. The cops were missing in action, no defense at all. The community undertook self policing, and you should get used to that as it is trending upward as the tax base declines with socialist economics. You have ZERO facts supporting your bland conclusion..."Zimmerman is a racist." Whatever.

      May 27, 2013 at 3:59 pm | Report abuse |
    • Race

      The ones who yell racism are usually the true racists. Might wanna think about that racist rabbit. Now, this article fails to bring up something very important to this case. Also on his phone were picture of the cute little angel posing with handguns and marijuana plants. He also stated in a text that he was a self proclaimed gangsta. I wonder if obonehead stil would say "he coulda been my son"?

      May 27, 2013 at 4:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rascal Rabble

      i might be a racist...buttah i ain't taking nobody life for it...a hoodie can pass me in the dark without me freaking out and glocking a guy for his fashion selection...eminem and justin timberlake were hoodiewearingmofos. as far as I know they can pass in my neighborhood community...at night...with a hoodie...and still live to eat their skittles and drink their can of tea...the question is...could he trayvon pass in yours? he couldn't pass in "zimmerman's neighborhood"...

      May 27, 2013 at 5:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rascal Rabble

      ...and he lived there...

      May 27, 2013 at 5:29 pm | Report abuse |
    • .

      White guy in a black neighborhood doesn't get accosted? Sure they do! They get beat up all the TIME where I live...What planet are you from racist rabble?

      May 27, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rascal Rabble

      hogwash...bombo...the victim was profiled and labeled "black man with hoodie threat" as confirm by the police call...it was the sole basis for zimmermann's actions including killing him...and guess what all this was deduce from zimmerman's personal opinions and perceptions...not based on anything factual, not based on any fore knowledge of the victim not based on any action of the victim...basically zimmerman gave a guy he did NOT KNOW a baseless bad character reference to a police dispatcher and then proceeded threatened, pursued, and killed his neighbor...

      May 27, 2013 at 6:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • BOMBO

      "Black man with hoodie" was a physical description. What was he supposed to say? "Hominid with clothing"? It would have offended no one, but it's hardly specific enough.

      May 27, 2013 at 6:15 pm | Report abuse |
  3. bobcat (in a hat)©

    Regardless of what messages were on the phone, it still gives no legitimate reason for Zimmerman following him that night. If he would have left this young man alone, this tragedy would not have happened.

    May 27, 2013 at 10:02 am | Report abuse |
    • Joe

      This was a gated community with several recent break-ins. Zimmerman was on watch that night. Regardless of anything, the bottom line is this. Why did Trayvon decide to hide and then run out 30 feet to attack Zimmerman and plummet his face and head into the cement. Zimmerman did not just pull his gun and shoot this guy. He shot him after he was physically attacked and getting his head busted in. This is the crust of the story. All the rest is pretty much hogwash. Martin chose to attack Zimmerman and that is the bottom line.

      June 6, 2013 at 4:12 pm | Report abuse |
  4. Joey Isotta-Fraschini ©™

    If Zimmerman's character, and his mood at the time of the incident, are relevant to this case, so are Trayvon Martin's. The amount of publicity surrounding this case was determined by Martin's advocates, so for them to call now for a gag order and suppression of evidence at trial is absurd.

    May 27, 2013 at 10:24 am | Report abuse |
  5. bobcat (in a hat)©

    Gocd morning Joey

    I agree that evidence should not be suppressed. However, just the fact that Zimmerman chose to follow and confront this young man speaks volumes in itself. I know if I were walking along minding my own business and someone started following me, I too would at first try to evade, and then if that did not work I would find out the reason why I was being followed.
    The worst part is the fact this is a one sided story with no fear of rebuttal.

    May 27, 2013 at 11:04 am | Report abuse |
  6. Rascal Rabble

    the PROBLEM here IS the judge has permitted corruption of the jury with material irrelevant to zimmerman's actions or trayvon's for that matter...

    May 27, 2013 at 11:32 am | Report abuse |
    • Rascal Rabble

      how much detraction of justice this judge will entertain...the relevant communication(s) that should be looked at is the one the victim trayvon was having at the time of his murder and the communication zimmerman was having prior to killing trayvon...

      May 27, 2013 at 11:37 am | Report abuse |
    • Rascal Rabble

      ...looks like a stinky calling card has been thrown in the judge's chambers!

      May 27, 2013 at 11:40 am | Report abuse |
  7. bobcat (in a hat)©

    Another question I have is Why do they keep talking like they know what happened that night ? They matter of factly state that Trayvon first hid and then confronted Zimmerman. Exactly how do they lnow this ? The only one able to tell the story is Zimmerman. So I guess they are taking his word as gospel !?

    May 27, 2013 at 11:47 am | Report abuse |
  8. Rascal Rabble

    it is NOT evidence...how is this nexus to this case...how does his personal conversations and textings can be labeled hostile? who is this defined of hostile? We have freedom of speech and he is talking to his friends...sorry to say people talksh ittttonthephone all the time...and how does a teenager talkingsh ittttonthephone with his friends demonstrate purchasing skittles and a can of tea then walking home in his neighborhood to his stepmom's residence is crimminal activity, makes him suspect, worthy of a false police report call-in and then taking his life? zimmerman is an judge's son getting preferential treatment.

    HATETOBREAKKITTOYAHWORLD:
    teenagers talkingsh ittttonthephone is
    normal thing...

    May 27, 2013 at 12:12 pm | Report abuse |
  9. Pete

    It seems sometimes these CNN moderators don't take us posters who print facts,not supposid theories..Better luck next time..

    May 27, 2013 at 1:45 pm | Report abuse |
  10. chrissy

    Lol exactly right @ Rascal! Just as bloggers are known to do at times. Doesnt mean we go out and try to kill someone. Looks lile Zimmermans lawyers are grasping at straws now.

    May 27, 2013 at 2:02 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rascal Rabble

      THANKYOU...mybaby...chrissy!
      somebody gotta see through all this rhetoric...

      May 27, 2013 at 4:58 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pete

      @chrissy,Zimmerman as a community watch volunteer wasn't supposed to have any guns its illegal in any community watch nationwide ,all he was to have was mace,police radio...Take care all and watch Zimmermans house of cards fall down around him,guilty in the 1st degree,life in prison for murdering a minor just getting a can of tea and skittles for his brother,how terrible his brother must feel knowing he died for his candy,tea!!

      May 27, 2013 at 7:15 pm | Report abuse |
  11. banasy©

    I do not see why they are taking an earlier unrelated text conversation as evidence of anything at all, unless the text conversation included "there's some bozo following me, and I'm going to knock his block off"...since that is clearly not the case, texts unrelated to the case shouldn't be admitted.

    May 27, 2013 at 4:08 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rascal Rabble

      even if such statement exist it does not exhonerate zimmerman...

      May 27, 2013 at 5:43 pm | Report abuse |
    • banasy©

      I don't believe I intimated that it would.
      It also doesn't prove Zimmerman innocent. It doesn't prove anybloodything at ALL, and just muddies the waters, so AS I SAID, it shouldn't be admitted.

      May 27, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Report abuse |
  12. BOMBO

    I will bet the defense is looking for people who had previous run-ins with Martin, to attempt to bolster this claim of violent tendencies. Though the judge might not allow them.

    May 27, 2013 at 5:46 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Juan

    Why was GZ carrying a gun to the grocery store?

    May 27, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Report abuse |
    • MotherofaBLACKBOYinaWHITECOMMUNITY

      right! waiting for someone to shoot at...and then he found his mark...crazy!

      May 30, 2013 at 10:52 am | Report abuse |
  14. Rascal Rabble

    im sure the family lawyers will ojay him for doing that...

    May 27, 2013 at 6:09 pm | Report abuse |
  15. Rascal Rabble

    this isn't issue about permits or guns...it is an issue of racial profiling, violating the rights of the innocent...

    May 27, 2013 at 6:11 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pete

      @Rascal,its about guns and those who shouldn't have them and this proves my point about not only more strengent laws for people purchasing guns but psychological testing of a purchaser as well...The only problem it'll get many a public sector employees as police outside looking in flunking the psych portion of the test,many shouldn't have guns and the public and police know it!!

      May 28, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rascal Rabble

      @pete your point is water under the bridge...zimmerman is fit to stand trial and the only mental problem he appears to suffers from is that delusiional whiteman's ailment better known as superiority complex....

      May 28, 2013 at 10:31 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pete

      @Rascal Rabble,I've been deleted again ..It's not about as much the psychological state he was in as much as its against the law in community watch programs to carry a sidearm,only mace,police radio..Rascal as a volunteer you're not insured by a community to get into any confrontation,conflicts you're only the eyes,ears of the community passing info on to police plain and simple,nothing more..He showed it was premeditated because he was armed against police ,community statues and if they go that route Zimmerman will be found guilty of murder and the community can be sued as well for having an armed guard so to speak protecting their gated community and they knew he was armed as well so they'll share his guilt as well,case closed bud and I'm not a lawyer but a hell a lot smarter than most here post!!

      May 29, 2013 at 11:37 am | Report abuse |
    • Rascal Rabble

      lol...whether he received pay or volunteered he was working for the neighborhood association with their knowledge and blessings...it appears they, the association, also had knowledge of complaints against him as well..,the tort has been incurred...the employer should monitor its employees whether they are paid or without pay....the issue is whether he worked for the association...NOT whether he was paid by the association...the liability is there....for worked for the association...so the fact that he volunteered is a non-issue....

      May 29, 2013 at 3:52 pm | Report abuse |
    • Pete

      @Rascal,if you volunteer you still have to adhere to community bylaws and liability insurance is required if he volunteers or not because of his possibly hurting himself from a fall or a confrontation with an intruder,it doesn't matter unless he signs a authorized release form which would release him from being associated with said community he guarded and he'd be on his own,won't happen either!!Yes he had been warned by police for previous calls and his neighbours as well as others saw him attend HOA meetings dressed in fatigues and gun holstered,does that sound competent to you,sounds like a crazy one to me and like I said before I helped organize and coordinate volunteer community watch programs so I am versed in how they're started,run and regulated..Rascal no weapons are to be allowed on any one in community watch programs volunteering ,just mace,police radio ,they are only there as the eyes,ears of the police and if he was a paid security guard he'd still have to adhere to local police laws in that area just being a rent a cop for hire and the security firm that hired him for that community would be required to carry liability insurance as well!!Please as I said Zimmermans got too much against him seeing it was premeditated with him not only watching him buying stuff for his brother at the store but tracking him after being told to stay put as well by police dispatchers until help arrived,put it all together and you've got a nut trying to look like a community hero at some innocent kids expense,black,hoody or not!!And remember he was going to junior college to be a cop and was thrown out as well,did yah know that Rascal,I did!!

      May 29, 2013 at 9:35 pm | Report abuse |
    • Jeff Frank (R-Ohio) "Right Wing Insanity"

      No Rabble. It's more like a dope dealer settling the score of a client that took some weed and didn't have the money_ to pay up.

      May 28, 2013 at 10:07 pm | Report abuse |
    • Rascal Rabble

      okayjeff youneed toput the xbox down...no more scarface movies for you...

      May 28, 2013 at 10:39 pm | Report abuse |
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