Blog: Navy looking to 'see what red flags, if any, were missed'
U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey prepare to lay a wreath at the U.S. Navy Memorial plaza on Tuesday to honor the victims of Monday's Washington Navy Yard shootings.
September 17th, 2013
06:13 PM ET

Blog: Navy looking to 'see what red flags, if any, were missed'

  • 12 people were killed and at least eight were injured in shooting at Washington Navy Yard, authorities say
  • The shooter, Aaron Alexis, 34, was killed in confrontation with security
  • Alexis was information-technology contractor and former full-time Navy reservist who lived in Texas
  • Live updates below. Also, read the full story and a profile of Alexis.

[Updated 8:13 p.m. ET] Alexis entered Building 197 at Washington's Navy Yard with a small bag that is believed to contain a disassembled shotgun he used in the mass shooting, a federal law enforcement official says. Surveillance video shows Alexis ducking into a bathroom with the bag and leaving it with a shotgun, according to the source.

Alexis had 00 buckshot shells, each of which are packed with a dozen pellets and are capable of causing tremendous damage, the same law enforcement official says.

[Updated 8:08 p.m. ET] Alexis contacted two Veterans Affairs hospitals in and around Washington recently and got treated for sleep-related issues, a law enforcement source says. A second law enforcement source tells CNN that, as far as investigators know now, Alexis sought help for insomnia. But another source said Alexis asked for help because he was "having problems sleeping" and "hearing voices."

[Updated 8:05 p.m. ET] Rep. Michael McCaul, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, tells CNN that the eight instances of misconduct that Alexis had while in the Navy "were kind of swept under the rug." “There is a tendency to not want to deal with a problem," McCaul says. "It is real easy to just pass the buck along to another military base or, in this instance, to a defense contractor.”

[Updated 8:03 p.m. ET] Navy officers knew about an incident in which Alexis was arrested for shooting the tires of a car - in what he later told detectives was an anger-fueled "blackout" - but admitted him to the Navy and gave him secret security clearance in 2007 anyway, a senior Naval officer told CNN.

"It appears as if investigators were aware of the incident, interviewed him and were satisfied that it did not preclude granting the clearance," the officer said.

[Updated 7:56 p.m. ET] The Experts, the contracting firm for which Alexis worked for about six months over the past year, said it performed two background checks on him and confirmed twice with the Defense Department that Alexis had a secret security clearance. "The latest background check and security clearance confirmation were in late June of 2013 and revealed no issues other than one minor traffic violation," the company says in a statement.

[Updated 7:36 p.m. ET] Alexis paid $419 to buy a shotgun at Sharpshooters Small Arms Range, said the store's lawyer,  J. Michael Slocum. Slocum also said that he made the purchase on Saturday afternoon - and not Sunday, as he had earlier told CNN.

[Original post at 4:14 p.m. ET] Alexis bought a shotgun and about 24 shells on Sunday - the day before the shooting - from the Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in northern Virginia, the store's attorney, J. Michael Slocum, said.

Before buying the Remington 870 shotgun and the ammunition, he used a store rifle at a practice range, and he was at the store for at least a couple hours, Slocum said.

Video of Alexis at the store has been given to the FBI, according to Slocum.

[Updated 7:27 p.m. ET] Aaron Alexis' dark blue rented Toyota Prius was towed Tuesday from the Washington hotel where he'd been staying, a law enforcement source says.

[Updated 6:29 p.m. ET] Navy spokesman John Kirby says that authorities are looking to "see what red flags, if any, were missed" ahead of Aaron Alexis's mass shooting at Washington's Navy Yard.  Alexis got security clearance in 2007, and it was still valid when he left the Navy in 2011, according to Kirby.

As to Alexis's issues while in the service - including eight "relatively minor" instances of misconduct - the Navy spokesman said, “He wasn’t a stellar sailor, we know that.”

[Updated 6:17 p.m. ET]   Washington, D.C., police Officer Scott Williams shot and killed Aaron Alexis, ending the latter's rampage at the historic Navy Yard, Mayor Vincent Gray told CNN.  Williams is in good spirits after undergoing surgery tied to his being shot in the leg, according to Gray.

[Updated 6:12 p.m. ET] The Washington Navy Yard will be opened Wednesday to "essential" personnel only, says base spokesman Ed Zeigler. "Access to Building 197 is still prohibited," he added, referring to the building where the shooting occurred.

[Updated 4:04 p.m. ET] Police in Newport, Rhode Island, say Alexis contacted them while he was staying there in August, complaining that he was hearing voices and was worried that three people were harassing him, according to CNN's Deborah Feyerick.

Newport police say they contacted the Newport naval base in August about their encounter with Alexis, who was working there as an information-technology contractor.

Alexis told Newport police that during a flight from Virginia to Rhode Island, he got into a “verbal altercation” with someone, Newport Police Lt. William Fitzgerald said.

Fitzgerald says Alexis told police “he was a naval contractor who travels often.” He explained that during a flight from Virginia to Rhode Island, he got into a “verbal altercation” with an individual. Alexis told police he believed that the “individual had sent three people to follow him and to talk, keep him awake and send vibrations into his body," Fitzgerald said.

According to a police report, Alexis said he first heard the people talking to him through a wall at a Middletown hotel where he was staying. He packed up and went to an unidentified hotel on the naval base where he heard the same voices talking to him, so he moved to a third hotel.

According to Fitzgerald, Alexis heard the people “speaking to him through the floor and then ceiling.“ Alexis said the individuals were “using a microwave machine to send vibrations through the ceiling, penetrating his body so he could not speak.”

Fitzgerald said Alexis would not elaborate or tell police what his alleged harassers were saying, but he told police “he never felt anything like this and felt these individuals would harm him.”

Earlier Tuesday, a source with direct knowledge of the investigation told Feyerick that Alexis exhibited signs of mental problems in recent months and tried to get help at a Veterans Affairs facility in Rhode Island.

[Updated 3:27 p.m. ET] Alexis bought a shotgun from Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in the last few weeks, an attorney for the store said, according to CNN's Chris Lawrence.

The attorney, J. Michael Slocum, said Alexis had a valid driver's license, and the gun shop "did the full required background check, the same that's done when someone buys a weapon of any sort." Slocum indicated there was nothing in the background check to stop the sale to Alexis.

Slocum also said the FBI visited the store once since Monday's shooting, and that the store is cooperating with the investigation.

The FBI has said the Alexis used a shotgun in the shooting.

[Updated 2:28 p.m. ET] The news conference is over. Some more highlights from D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier: She said that within seven minutes of the first emergency call, police had at least two units inside the building where the shooting was happening.

The first unit arrived at the yard itself within two minutes of the call. It took police a while to determine which building was the shooting site, because callers were giving different building numbers, she said.

Security personnel from several agencies had "multiple engagements" with Alexis before the final shots were fired, she said.

[Updated 2:23 p.m. ET] More from the news conference: D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier elaborated on why she thinks the officer who was shot in both legs will make a full recovery, when there had been questions Monday of whether he would walk again.

"We have a very good prognosis from the doctors," Lanier said. She said that because of his personality, she believes that he will eventually be "outrunning all of us."

[Updated 2:15 p.m. ET] More from the news conference: The Washington police officer who was shot in both legs Monday is doing well, D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier said. He had surgery Monday.

“We expect he will make a full recovery,” Lanier said.

Earlier, CNN's Chris Lawrence reported that physicians were expected to begin determining Tuesday whether the officer would be able to keep the limbs.

Also, Lanier said at the news conference that there's "no doubt in my mind" that the officers responding to the shooting "saved numerous lives."

[Updated 2:11 p.m. ET] More from the news conference: Alexis arrived in the Washington area on or about August 25, staying in hotels, said Valerie Parlave, assistant director in charge of the Washington FBI field office.

He most recently stayed at a Residence Inn in southwestern Washington, D.C., beginning around September 7, she said. Anyone who contacted him during that time should contact the FBI, she said.

[Updated 2:08 p.m. ET] FBI and other officials have begun a news conference in Washington, updating reporters on the investigation.

Alexis entered the yard's building 197 - where the shooting took place - with a shotgun, and investigators believe he obtained a handgun inside the building after he started shooting, Valerie Parlave, assistant director in charge of the Washington FBI field office, said moments ago at a news conference. This confirms what federal law enforcement sources said earlier.

[Updated 2:01 p.m. ET] U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is ordering a worldwide review of physical security measures at all U.S. military installations in the wake of Monday's shooting, a senior Pentagon official said Tuesday, according to CNN's Barbara Starr.

Hagel will order the military to look at all existing security measures to see if they are sufficient and to determine what other measures may be needed, the official said.

At the same time, the Pentagon is still trying to determine what it needs to do to begin a parallel review of security clearances and access standards for contractors and other employees, according to a Defense Department official. Some elements of clearance procedures are handled by other parts of the government so coordination will be required, but the official said it’s expected some review of that element will also take place.

This follow an earlier confirmation from the Navy that it was beginning a similar physical security review at all of its installations.

[Updated 1:13 p.m. ET] Alexis was “having problems sleeping” and was “hearing voices,” a source with direct knowledge of the investigation said, according to CNN's Deborah Feyerick. The source said Alexis exhibited signs of mental problems in recent months and tried to get help at a Veterans Affairs facility in Rhode Island. He had been working in Newport, Rhode Island, as an information-technology contractor in August.

The source also said that the 9/11 attacks triggered Alexis to leave his home in New York City. Alexis could not deal with the attack, left New York and essentially became a wanderer going from place to place – San Diego, Texas, and overseas, the source said.

His father told Seattle police in 2004 - after Alexis was arrested there - that his son was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder after taking part in 9/11 rescue efforts, according to police records.

Earlier Tuesday, law enforcement sources told CNN that Alexis recently made contact with two Veterans Administration hospitals for apparent psychological issues.

[Updated 12:44 p.m. ET] A gun store in northern Virginia, Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in Lorton, released a statement in response to inquiries about Alexis. For context: An FBI source with firsthand knowledge of the investigation told CNN that one of the weapons Alexis is accused of using was purchased recently at a northern Virginia store. The Sharpshooters statement, shown below, does not affirm that it sold Alexis the gun.

"Sharpshooters Small Arms Range has been and continues to fully cooperate with law enforcement authorities in their investigation of the events at the Washington Navy Yard," Sharpshooters said. "In light of the many questions surrounding the event, it is not appropriate to provide any comment at this time, except to affirm that Sharpshooters fully complies with all requirements to conduct background checks on all potential purchasers as required by law, and to further affirm that all purchasers are required to comply with all laws concerning allowed purchases."

[Updated 12:06 p.m. ET] The Navy began proceedings in 2010 to give Alexis a "general discharge" from the Navy Reserve because of military and civilian disciplinary issues, but eventually gave him an honorable discharge in January 2011 because of a lack of evidence supporting the sterner measure, a U.S. defense official told CNN's Barbara Starr.

The disciplinary issues include at least eight instances of misconduct while on duty, the official said.

The attempt to give him a general discharge began after the Navy learned of his 2008 arrest in Georgia (on suspicion of disorderly conduct) and his 2010 arrest in Texas (over an allegation that he fired a gun through the ceiling of his apartment), the official said.

Alexis was a full-time Navy reservist from mid-2007 to January 2011.

[Updated 11:53 a.m. ET] We now have all the slain victims' names. The latest five to be released by Washington police are:

- Arthur Daniels, 51, of Washington, D.C.
- Mary Francis Knight, 51, of Reston, Virginia
- Gerald L. Read, 58, of Alexandria, Virginia
- Martin Bodrog, 54, of Annandale, Virginia
- Richard Michael Ridgell, 52, of Westminster, Maryland

On Monday night, Washington police released the first seven names:

- Michael Arnold, 59, of Lorton, Virginia
- Sylvia Frasier, 53, of Waldorf, Maryland
- Kathy Gaarde, 62, of Woodbridge, Virginia
- John Roger Johnson, 73, of Derwood, Maryland
- Frank Kohler, 50, of Tall Timbers, Maryland
- Kenneth Bernard Proctor, 46, of Waldorf, Maryland
- Vishnu Schalchendia Pandit, 61, of North Potomac, Maryland

[Updated 11:46 a.m. ET] It's back to baseball on Tuesday for the Washington Nationals, who postponed a Monday game as the organization allowed the Navy to use one of their parking lots as a site where Navy Yard evacuees could reunite with their loved ones.

The Nationals will wear their "Patriotic Blue" jerseys in the first game of a double-header with the visiting Atlanta Braves, the team said. The first game, to start at 1:05 p.m., is the make-up for Monday's postponement.

The Navy Yard is just blocks from Nationals Park.

[Updated 11:30 a.m. ET] Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus on Tuesday will "order reviews of all physical security at all Navy and Marine Corps installations," a U.S. Navy official told CNN's Barbara Starr.

"The first will be a quick look to ensure all physical security requirements are being met. The second will be a deeper review to ensure the right physical and personal security requirements are in place," the official said.

Earlier, U.S. Rep. Mike Turner, an Ohio Republican and a member of the Armed Forces Committee, said he believed cost-cutting compromised security at the yard, and he wants a congressional briefing from the Pentagon inspector general on a Navy security audit that he says was released after Monday's shooting.

"It is my understanding that the IG report indicates the Navy may have implemented an unproven system in order to cut costs," Turner said. "I also learned that potentially numerous felons may have been able to gain restricted access to several military installations across the country due to insufficient background checks, increasing the risk to our military personnel and civilian employees."

[Updated 11:21 a.m. ET] Arrests don't automatically prevent people from getting security clearance, says Anita Gorecki-Robbins, a military justice lawyer.

Alexis, who had been arrested a few times since 2004, received Department of Defense security clearance so that he could work for The Experts, a subcontractor of HP Enterprise Services that was contracted to "refresh equipment used on the Navy Marine Corps Intranet network," according to a statement released by his employer.

Gorecki-Robbins told CNN's Chris Cuomo and Ashleigh Banfield that the Defense Department can decide to give security clearances to people who have been arrested. In Alexis' case, either the arrests weren't picked up in screening, or "someone did see (the arrests) and decided to give it to him anyway."

[Updated 10:19 a.m. ET] A former Army attorney says the shooting should raise questions about whether military installations should randomly check vehicles.

Alexis entered the Navy Yard because he had a valid military-issued ID and was assigned to work there as a contractor. Greg Rinckey, a former attorney in the Army judge advocate general's office, told CNN's John Berman that the shooting could boost arguments for random vehicle checks, even for people with valid credentials.

Authorities have recovered three weapons from the scene of the mass shooting, including a shotgun that investigators believe Alexis brought into the compound, federal law enforcement sources with detailed knowledge of the investigation told CNN on Tuesday. The other two weapons - handguns - may have been taken from guards, the sources say.

[Updated 10:09 a.m. ET] To honor the shooting victims, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Martin Dempsey have just placed a wreath near the "The Lone Sailor" statue at Washington's U.S. Navy Memorial plaza.

Other federal officials are marking the shooting, too. Nearly 10 minutes ago, the U.S. Senate observed some moments of silence.

[Updated 9:59 a.m. ET] If you're wondering how Alexis could have been honorably discharged from the Navy Reserve in 2011 after a pattern of misconduct, a former Army attorney might have an answer.

Greg Rinckey, a former attorney in the Army judge advocate general's office, told CNN's John Berman that a pattern of misconduct doesn't necessarily result in an other-than-honorable discharge - but an honorable discharge might not be Alexis' full story, either.

“Most people with patterns of misconduct are discharged usually with an other-than-honorable discharge or a general discharge," Rinckey, of Albany, New York, said Tuesday morning. "I think we need to dig a little bit further into this to see if it was a general-under-honorable-conditions discharge or an honorable discharge.”

Alexis, who served as a full-time Navy reservist from 2007 to January 2011, was honorably discharged after a "pattern of misconduct," a U.S. defense official with knowledge of the investigation told CNN earlier on condition of anonymity. The official did not detail the misconduct.

[Updated 9:17 a.m. ET] Of the eight injured survivors, three were shot - and those three were doing better today at MedStar Washington Hospital Center. A Washington policeman is in fair condition, a female civilian is in fair condition and another female civilian is in good condition.

The police officer was shot in his legs. As of Monday night, medical personnel had yet to determine whether he would be able to keep the limbs, CNN's Chris Lawrence reported.

[Updated 9:02 a.m. ET] Alexis, the dead gunman, recently made contact with two Veterans Administration hospitals for apparent psychological issues, law enforcement sources said Tuesday.

[Updated 8:57 a.m. ET] Alexis was arrested in August 2008 on a charge of disorderly conduct in DeKalb County, Georgia, county police said Tuesday.

This is in addition to at least two other arrests, dating back to at least 2004 when he was arrested in Seattle. In that incident, he was accused of shooting out the tires of a man's truck in an anger-fueled "blackout," according to a Seattle Police Department report.

In 2010, Alexis was arrested by Fort Worth, Texas, police but never charged over an allegation that he fired a gun through the ceiling of his apartment. According to records, he told police he accidentally fired it while cleaning it.

[Updated 8:55 a.m. ET] Authorities have recovered three weapons from the scene of the shooting, federal law enforcement sources said. Investigators believe Alexis brought a shotgun into the compound and may have taken two handguns from guards, the sources said.

Initial reports said Alexis used an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle during the attack, but by Tuesday, law enforcement sources with knowledge of the investigation said that was not the case.

It is believed that Alexis had rented an AR-15, but returned it before Monday's shooting, the officials said. Investigators have recovered three weapons from the scene, including a shotgun that Alexis is believed to have brought into the compound. The other two weapons - handguns - the sources say, may have been taken from guards.

soundoff (126 Responses)
  1. John Duke

    Mike Brown, HLN Legal Analyst, reported @ 7:45 Tuesday the shooter was dishonorably discharged from the Navy. Yet, other news reporters say he served as a Navy reservist, was honorably discharged and questions why an honorable discharge with several gun related incidents. Does Brown know what he was talking about?

    September 17, 2013 at 10:07 am | Report abuse |
  2. LF

    As usual your reporters were reporting false info before the facts came out.

    September 17, 2013 at 10:37 am | Report abuse |
  3. Name*RJ

    Terrible events, useless waste of precious lives, also useless information by the press, journalism I think not. A rifle, AR-15 and a Glock Semi Automatic Pistol. That is what our illustrious TV news crews were reporting. These people need to keep their mouths shut untill they have the (Correct Information).

    September 17, 2013 at 10:42 am | Report abuse |
  4. BobTbuilder

    Still waiting for the Wayne Lapierre statement. How more guns, make it a safer world. Keep thinking that gun-nuts.

    September 17, 2013 at 10:46 am | Report abuse |
    • Postman623

      Its worth noting, you sniveling simpleton, that it was a gun free zone (in three different ways). Please demonstrate how ANY of the Federal Laws concerning firearms would have prevented this. Go ahead. We will wait.

      September 17, 2013 at 11:34 am | Report abuse |
    • Paul Kersey

      He took the guns off a cop he killed – so tell me genius how a background check would have worked?

      September 17, 2013 at 12:10 pm | Report abuse |
  5. CZ Sommers

    The United States has the highest gun ownership rates in the world and the second highest rate of gun deaths among industrialized nations. Only Mexico has more.
    CDC Statistics – deaths by guns in the U.S.
    31,940 in 2011
    31,323 in 2010
    31,177 in 2009
    31,224 in 2007
    29,569 in 2004

    September 17, 2013 at 11:01 am | Report abuse |
    • elam73

      CZ Sommers, Sad stats indeed. I do not believe that states or cities passing guns control laws will solve anything. It is too easy for criminals to transport guns from one political subdivision to another. Only a national law will work at all. That is not likely to happen with the NRA lock on Congress. Therefore Americans will just have to live in a country in which 30,000 people die from gunshots every year. This is the price we pay for idiocy. "Guns don't pull their triggers. People do."

      September 17, 2013 at 11:37 am | Report abuse |
    • Paul Kersey

      What a terribly skewed little numbers game you have there! Any chance those include suicides?

      They do.

      Know what else they include....justifiable homicides by police; like when they shot the Boston Bomber. So thanks for posting those! lol

      September 17, 2013 at 12:17 pm | Report abuse |
  6. James

    Why? because people with mental health issues should not be allowed to own a gun. Everyone tip toes around the mental health issue but almost every major shooting was done by some one that clearly had reported mental health issues and should have never been allowed to own a gun or continue to own a gun once they were diagnosed with some thing wrong with their head.

    the army wont let you join if you have mental health issues that are being treated, why the hell do people still have the right to own weapons if they can't join the army.

    September 17, 2013 at 11:01 am | Report abuse |
    • Charlie468

      Yours is the question every one of us should ask our congressman. Particularly those opposed to background checks.

      September 17, 2013 at 11:11 am | Report abuse |
    • Paul Kersey

      The military wont let you join but they'll sure let you out – maybe thats an issue.

      As for background checks; he killed a cop and took the cops gun – at what point would he have submitted to a background check? lol

      September 17, 2013 at 12:35 pm | Report abuse |
  7. BookemDanno

    A former Army attorney should know then that vehicle inspections only covers the vehicle itself. You're not going to get a pat down and TSA bag check (might be a bad example there). Additionally, in my relatively short 8 year Army career,my vehicle has been randomly inpsected dozens of times at numerous installations. Having an ID doesn't exempt you from inspections. All that is required to bring weapons on most installations is that they be registered with the provost marshall. Hassan could have easily had both handguns(cased), a crate of ammo, and an AK-47(cased) sitting on his front seat, declared to the gate guards that he was going to the range, given his ID and registration and they would have said thanks and sent him on his way. Military installations just aren't that secure, with the exception of secret squirrel areas.

    September 17, 2013 at 11:06 am | Report abuse |
  8. Joey Isotta-Fraschini ©™

    Why?
    Alexis was being treated by the Veterans Administration for paranoia. He heard voices.
    The word "paranoid" is used so loosely in ignorance that the seriousness of paranoia is not understood.
    Why was he loose, and specifically was was he able to enter a secure naval facility?

    September 17, 2013 at 11:08 am | Report abuse |
  9. Gloria

    Here's a guy that hears voices. Has a track record of questionable behavior and they don't pull his security pass??? Is this where our tax dollars go? To support organizaiton that can't even see the red zone in behavior of a guy that should never have been allowed into any government establishment. And tabs should have been kept on him for sure. Granted, if there is a shortage of personnel to monitor the real threats, then either hire more people or better train the ones the are there now. This is unacceptable!!!

    September 17, 2013 at 11:13 am | Report abuse |
  10. Charlie468

    I I guess its the President's fault because he wanted more background checks, more money for treatment of mental illness and funding for a CDC study on the root causes of gun violence. By some distorted logic I guess he should have been pushing for more guns and more "good guys with guns". For the dimwitted I am being sarcastic.

    September 17, 2013 at 11:15 am | Report abuse |
    • DontBeAfraid

      Yeah, kind of funny this is exactly what was wrong with this guy. Everything the President wants a full-blown crisis is not far behind.

      September 17, 2013 at 4:15 pm | Report abuse |
    • Dave in DC

      Charlie, you're the dimwitted one. What Obama was "pushing" for wouldn't have stopped the madness unleashed yesterday. His agenda was the standard gun grab. Go after certain rifles, when once again in this case the type of rifle in question wasn't even used. In the end this guy had a litany of garbage in his background that, once FULLY put together, would have shown him to be unstable. But you don't get there from a simple background check. And a CDC study isn't going to stop this. It was a smoke screen for the gun grab.

      September 17, 2013 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |
    • Manny

      Gun grab. Yeah right. Tell the truth: that Obama has NEVER wanted to take guns currently legally owned away from their lawful owners. Stop lying.

      September 17, 2013 at 6:34 pm | Report abuse |
  11. T Guzowski

    I agree that a national federal gun registry just like a car and driver registration registry would save many lives.

    The gun manufacturers are big time liars just like the big tobacco companies that claimed for decades that cigarettes

    were safe and nicotine was not addictive, just to stay in business.

    We Americans are always concerned about people dying in other countries, but yet for business sake it's ok to kill

    our own American people for profits. People safety and health be damned is the capitalistic slogan!

    September 17, 2013 at 11:45 am | Report abuse |
    • Paul Kersey

      Well thats the top 3 dumbest thing Ive heard – a gun registry! So a law that we hope criminals (known for breaking laws) will require they register their guns? Brilliant.

      This guy who killed a cop then took his guns – would he have swung by the ATF building to register the guns he got off the dead cop real quick before he shot up the Navy yard?

      These are gems your coming up with, keep going!

      September 17, 2013 at 12:14 pm | Report abuse |
  12. Hamsta

    SAs the vast majority of mass shootings are done by Guinea pigs who are fed experimental psychotic medications I say that we need not control guns and should hold the doctors and pharmaceudical companies liable. Some of these medications are far worse than the absolute worst of illicit mind altering substances found on the street. None of the pincushions, speedfreaks, overhead welders, dropouts, or rastafarians I know shot up a school, nope that's just big pharma causing that.

    September 17, 2013 at 11:49 am | Report abuse |
    • Observer

      None of your "None of the pincushions, speedfreaks, overhead welders, dropouts, or rastafarians" would have jobs, either, so how are they making money? Selling their SNAP bennies?

      September 17, 2013 at 12:09 pm | Report abuse |
  13. chrissy

    Good grief @ Hamsta, now who is drinking the kool aid? HOW do YOU propose treating mental illness? Like it or not that is the best we can hope for at this time UNTIL our government and people like you admit theres a problem AND address it! Since the Reagan years when most mental health facilities were closed because of lost funding the best you can hope for is family doctors hopefully noticing and medicating properly! Its sickening but true!

    September 17, 2013 at 12:02 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Dr. K2

    So, since this guy was not a Muslim, it's safe to say he's was not a terrorist. Just an average Joe

    September 17, 2013 at 12:04 pm | Report abuse |
    • sly

      Ho ho ho - now that is amusing.

      You do realize that ALL terrorist attacks in America were from American terrorists. Almost all were by white Christian males.

      There is 1 US terrorist attack that was likely the work of foreign terrorists – 9/11.

      I assume you read the news and were being sarcastic, but on this blog, most readers won't grasp your obvious sarcasm.

      September 17, 2013 at 1:15 pm | Report abuse |
  15. saywhat

    Terrible loss of life and worrisome breach of security.
    Some reports today mention that 'the shooter had secret clearance".
    This incident was a terror attack, nothing less.

    September 17, 2013 at 12:06 pm | Report abuse |
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