October 2nd, 2013
04:38 AM ET

The shutdown: What we know and don't know

We're only two days into this government shutdown, but it already seems like we've been here before.

And in a way, we have.

The Republicans and Democrats got in each other's faces over the U.S. debt ceiling in 2011. The GOP demanded significant budget cuts before agreeing to give Uncle Sam more borrowing power. That amounted to $2 trillion in cuts over 10 years.

But Congress never could agree on where to make the cuts, so they were implemented across-the-board.

The package averted a shutdown then, but didn't sooth the hard feelings created by the standoff.

With that history in mind, here's what we know and what we don't know about the shutdown.

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  1. The Hamsta

    Has anyone noticed the price of gasoline dropped $.42 a gallon in less than 24 hours? What's that tell you?

    October 2, 2013 at 8:00 am | Report abuse |
    • Scottish Mama

      It is $3.04 9/10 in St. Louis, MO.

      October 2, 2013 at 10:08 am | Report abuse |
    • bobcat (in a hat)©

      It's $3.09 in Mobile. Al. That reflects a drop of about 15 cents in two weeks, not 24 hours.

      October 2, 2013 at 10:17 am | Report abuse |
    • banasy©

      Why doesn't the Tea Party demand the end to Oil subsidies? That's an entitlement, you know.

      October 2, 2013 at 11:59 am | Report abuse |
  2. The Hamsta

    The Tea Party rebeled against taxation without representation the first time, this time it's the same. The Tea Party aren't the terrorists, the NANNY STATE is.

    October 2, 2013 at 10:01 am | Report abuse |
    • Scottish Mama

      We had representation, everyone voted for Obama, they wanted healthcare. Now the Tea Party wants to defund it. Yes defund it, a couple of days before it is to get off the ground. They already voted 42 times and now they hold the budget and american 800,000 jobs hostage. It wil cost us billions, with a B. You may still have the Tea Party in congress but will the others that voted for republicans still have the numbers? The fact that gridlock has become the way in congress, maybe cooler heads will prevail and swing states (like Missouri) will have tired and give President Obama the numbers he needs to heal the country by electing congressional responsible people to pay off the debt. People who do not play chicken with the economy, just to defund,(Medical Device tax)(the largest of the tax) to cripple Obamacare. The people backing this are not the hoards of numbers they profess. But the industries that will gain from the republican party and vise versa, to also ridding the country of medicare and medicaid. taking out the device tax will put the tax solely on the american people so the party of no can say see, we told you the american people would get stuck with the brunt of taxes.

      October 2, 2013 at 10:22 am | Report abuse |
    • banasy©

      Are you wearing the cute Trihorn hat? You know, the ones made in China?

      October 2, 2013 at 12:03 pm | Report abuse |
  3. bobcat (in a hat)©

    Okay, I'll ask. How are the people not being represented ?

    October 2, 2013 at 10:10 am | Report abuse |
  4. bobcat (in a hat)©

    Has anyone noticed the only thing that the TEAPARTY rebels against is anything good done by the president. What does "that" tell you ?

    October 2, 2013 at 10:23 am | Report abuse |
    • banasy©

      A repost of something I saw yesterday by someone else:

      The first Tea Party rally on the mall in Washington DC was in March 2009, less than 2 months after Obama was sworn in. Later, they said they were angry with Bush but had not completely organized yet. Since we knew nothing about Obama’s actually policy recommendations we have to ask what motivated the Tea Party to get active so fast.

      October 2, 2013 at 12:08 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Scottish Mama

    Tells me he is the only one on the hill with Ideas, common sense, and wants to help the American middle class.

    October 2, 2013 at 10:29 am | Report abuse |
  6. Scottish Mama

    As long as the tea party is on the hill, telling the majority of congress what to do, we will have to look at Grover Norquist, who is hell bent on bringing America to it's knee's, even to the brink of destruction to start the government according to Norquist.

    October 2, 2013 at 10:33 am | Report abuse |
  7. The Hamsta

    Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, the useful idiots are always the second in line to "take a shower" at the gas chambers or "bake a cake" in the cremation ovens.

    October 2, 2013 at 10:33 am | Report abuse |
  8. Scottish Mama

    "The world according to Grover". A muppet at the helm, jeesh that's scary. I wonder whom has it's hand in this muppet, maaaaybe, the Koch bros? Hmmmmmm

    October 2, 2013 at 10:38 am | Report abuse |
  9. bobcat (in a hat)©

    From some articles I've read, apportion of the American people who put the teaparty in have become disillusioned with that party. I guess they didn't realize just how radical the group was.

    October 2, 2013 at 10:46 am | Report abuse |
    • bobcat (in a hat)©

      That is supposed to read " a portion" not apportion.

      October 2, 2013 at 10:49 am | Report abuse |
  10. bobcat (in a hat)©

    And hopefully, instead of just a portion, the majority will come to their senses and realize the damage the teapartiers are doing to this country.

    October 2, 2013 at 10:59 am | Report abuse |
  11. saywhat

    good morning folks.
    Some rifts are now appearing in the Party of Obstructionism aka Party of 'No' over their own tactics.There is a meeting scheduled between the President and some GOP reps today. Hope they come to their senses feeling the mood on the ground which is hardly favorable for them.

    October 2, 2013 at 11:45 am | Report abuse |
  12. saywhat

    Its time that they throw off the mantle under which they have been squirming thrown over them by the Tea Party , neocons and religious right in tandem with foreign orgs. That is if they hold the interests of this country and nation dear to their heart ( now what am i sayin'?).

    October 2, 2013 at 11:49 am | Report abuse |
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    October 2, 2013 at 11:54 am | Report abuse |
  14. saywhat

    On another note of the deception a number in our Congress commit on Americans@bobcat.
    Netanyahu today thanked law makers for opposing Iran diplomacy.

    October 2, 2013 at 11:57 am | Report abuse |
  15. saywhat

    So besides rejoicing in achieving their objective of bringing " US govt to its knees" these terrorists would also like to see US embroiled in yet another open ended disaster.

    October 2, 2013 at 12:00 pm | Report abuse |
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